Europe --- In or Out

[Park Life 71]

2 minutes ago, Rayvin said:

 

Do you suppose that the reports do exist, and the government is just chancing getting away with not revealing it...?

 

It would give the Tories the ability to make them work to their advantage.

They got maps and couloured them in red meaning bad and green meaning good.

[Rayvin 5176]

3 minutes ago, Park Life said:

They got maps and couloured them in red meaning bad and green meaning good.

 

So they have a lot of red painted maps then.

[Park Life 71]

1 minute ago, Rayvin said:

 

So they have a lot of red painted maps then.

In the end they just bought red maps.

[ewerk 30266]

Given that David Davis is the shambles of a man looking after Brexit I wouldn't be in the least bit surprised if he didn't order any sectoral impact reports. He has pretty much fucked up his job at every turn.

[Meenzer 15405]

13 minutes ago, Park Life said:

In the end they just bought red maps.

 

Thereby INCREASING THE POSSIBILITY OF A MARXIST IN NO. 10

[Meenzer 15405]

3 hours ago, The Fish said:

 

What does he say?

 

Giz a summary.

 

No
 

[Alex 34846]

2 minutes ago, Meenzer said:

 

Thereby INCREASING THE POSSIBILITY OF A MARXIST IN NO. 10

[The Fish 10734]

17 minutes ago, Meenzer said:

 

No
 

 

 

This shit is why we never win Eurovision.

[Renton 21300]

Completely agree with the Institute for Government here and this is what concerns me most. As a country, losing sight of the value of evidence in  informing policy puts us at a huge competitive disadvantage. 

 

Quote

Response to statement by the Speaker on alleged contempt of Parliament

14th December 2017

Responding to today’s statement by the Speaker on David Davis' alleged contempt of Parliament, Bronwen Maddox, Director at the Institute for Government, said: 

"The Speaker has found the Secretary of State for Exiting the EU, David Davis, not to be in contempt of Parliament. However, the Government has shown contempt for the principle of making decisions based on thorough evidence and analysis."

"David Davis said to the Commons Committee on Exiting the EU that the Government had not undertaken formal impact assessments of Brexit. This not only appeared to contradict previous ministerial assertions but also showed a disregard for the principle of making decisions based on thorough evidence and analysis."

"This is no way to approach such a profound change in the UK’s relationship with close trading partners and allies. Brexit will affect businesses and the UK economy more than any other decision made by government in recent years. To forge ahead and enter negotiations with the EU without the benefit of extensive analysis of the potential risks, costs and benefits is reckless."

"Ministers should base their views of the UK’s future relationship with the EU on proper analysis of the likely impact on the UK economy by sector and region. So should Parliament, businesses and the public. Keeping them in the dark does nothing for the quality of public understanding and debate, for the ability of businesses and individuals to make plans, or for trust in government."

 

[Rayvin 5176]

Yep. The narratives are the fundamental things now - which is perhaps generally always the case when you leave the middle ground and head into ideological territory. Not just in the UK though, fwiw.

[ewerk 30266]

 

Look at the nerds with their 'reports' and 'facts'.

[Meenzer 15405]

That pic never fails to amaze. It's not quite

 

 

but future generations will view it with similar disdain.  

[ewerk 30266]

[Rayvin 5176]

Everything about Davis' face there is screaming "I am a pillock".

 

It's beyond hopeless, this negotiation.

[Ayatollah Hermione 13794]

The disdain in their eyes  

[Anorthernsoul 1221]

2 hours ago, ewerk said:

 

Look at the nerds with their 'reports' and 'facts'.

 

 

 

All of the money involved in those talks and they are thrashing out a deal on a table bought at cash converters.

[ewerk 30266]

On 12/12/2017 at 9:27 PM, Christmas Tree said:

 

Keep digging

 

The PM made it clear at the dispatch box yesterday that it will be October 2018.

 

 

Oh dear, @Christmas Tree . 'As quickly as possible' and no phase two talks until it becomes legislation. You keep going though, Champ, you'll get one right some day.

[Renton 21300]

I doubt CT has ever a read a document with super scripted citations in his life.

 

Anyhow, my reading of this is that, because of NI, it ties us to a soft Brexit. As I've said all along. 

Edited December 15, 2017 by Renton

[Gemmill 44387]

May is insisting that phase 2 talks will start immediately. Juncker says they'll start in March. 

 

Can this garbage-breathed bitch get anything right? 

[Alex 34846]

CT's still out celebrating following his best day ever on here, chaps

[Rayvin 5176]

 

He was truly a sight to behold that day.

[Renton 21300]

12 minutes ago, Gemmill said:

May is insisting that phase 2 talks will start immediately. Juncker says they'll start in March. 

 

Can this garbage-breathed bitch get anything right? 

It's almost like they don't need us more than them, aren't desperate for a deal, and we dont hold all the cards!?

 

How can this be??? 

[Gemmill 44387]

Setting that aside though, she's completely fucking incompetent. She sits in these meetings and thinks one thing has been agreed, only to find that it hasn't. 

[ewerk 30266]

Who among the Tories would be any better? Rudd?

[Gemmill 44387]

Wollaston seems to have her head screwed on. Completely inexperienced as a politician, but experience doesn't seem to count for anything anyway 8f the current cabinet is anything to go by.