ewerk 30647 Posted December 8, 2017 Share Posted December 8, 2017 Regarding the idea of a EU army, would it be such a bad idea? Surely it would reduce the stress on UK armed forces around the world by committing the forces of other nations to projects in which we're already involved? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Isegrim 9801 Posted December 8, 2017 Share Posted December 8, 2017 I still want to hear from CT how the EU did bend over. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex 35104 Posted December 8, 2017 Share Posted December 8, 2017 7 minutes ago, ewerk said: Regarding the idea of a EU army, would it be such a bad idea? Surely it would reduce the stress on UK armed forces around the world by committing the forces of other nations to projects in which we're already involved? Might rein in the stupid foreign policy ideas a bit too. Wasn't it first suggested by the UK anyway? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christmas Tree 4729 Posted December 8, 2017 Author Share Posted December 8, 2017 1 minute ago, Isegrim said: I still want to hear from CT how the EU did bend over. Tut tut, I said “bent over backwards to get the deal done this week”. They have been much more positive about trying to get it nailed down rather than letting it drag til after Xmas. Everything they have said this week has been upbeat rather than the tone of previous rounds. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Renton 21640 Posted December 8, 2017 Share Posted December 8, 2017 6 minutes ago, Park Life said: It was only a 'commitment'. The EU are already reducing veto powers as we speak. I've kept an eye on it. Ever closer union means that we would have at some point to give up influence or accept more integration....It's how they do it. “This is a democracy. Once the frame is agreed, we will start the legislative process. This is not a veto.” The president’s statement means that Britain may not get the deal agreed by Mr Cameron if it ultimately votes to stay in the EU. Mr Schulz, from the parliament’s centre-left Socialist grouping, however pledged that MEPs would be “constructive”, “fair”, and bring clarity to the deal. The warning is a blow for Mr Cameron, who had explicitly earlier this month that the EU deal would be legally binding. Clutching at straws. If/when our veto comes under threat, then is the time for debate. Meanwhile we were in a great place. Out of schenghen, out of the eurozone, and net benificiaries of research money etc. If that position wasn't sustainable, an orderly transition to EFTA could have been undertaken. I'm surprised as a person keen on conspiracies you can't see the real reasons behind Brexit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ken 119 Posted December 8, 2017 Share Posted December 8, 2017 8 minutes ago, ewerk said: Regarding the idea of a EU army, would it be such a bad idea? Surely it would reduce the stress on UK armed forces around the world by committing the forces of other nations to projects in which we're already involved? Yes, but what good would an army be with Italian, French and Greeks in it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Park Life 71 Posted December 8, 2017 Share Posted December 8, 2017 (edited) 3 minutes ago, Renton said: Clutching at straws. If/when our veto comes under threat, then is the time for debate. Meanwhile we were in a great place. Out of schenghen, out of the eurozone, and net benificiaries of research money etc. If that position wasn't sustainable, an orderly transition to EFTA could have been undertaken. I'm surprised as a person keen on conspiracies you can't see the real reasons behind Brexit. We will get something like EFTA anyway. Everything I look at as the days pass shows it. I still thing Br in any meaningful sense won't happen. In fact once reciprocated free movement/domicile rights are granted for current citizens living around the EU a reduced form of free movement will continue as well. EU citizens living in the UK who leave will obviously be allowed back and visa versa. Edited December 8, 2017 by Park Life Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Renton 21640 Posted December 8, 2017 Share Posted December 8, 2017 2 minutes ago, Park Life said: We will get something like EFTA anyway. Everything I look at as the days pass shows it. I still thing Br in any meaningful sense won't happen. I agree but we could hardly have done it in a more shambolic way! There are some pluses. This ten year transitional deal will utterly fuck the conservatives. By the time it's over, the millenials will get us back in the EU lock, stock, and barrel. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ewerk 30647 Posted December 8, 2017 Share Posted December 8, 2017 6 minutes ago, Ken said: Yes, but what good would an army be with Italian, French and Greeks in it? I'd imagine that the food would be much better. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Meenzer 15552 Posted December 8, 2017 Share Posted December 8, 2017 9 minutes ago, Ken said: Yes, but what good would an army be with Italian, French and Greeks in it? Dunno, how is the Australian army these days? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Meenzer 15552 Posted December 8, 2017 Share Posted December 8, 2017 4 minutes ago, ewerk said: I'd imagine that the food would be much better. That's what Staveley said when Ashley told her the meeting venue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ken 119 Posted December 8, 2017 Share Posted December 8, 2017 4 minutes ago, Meenzer said: Dunno, how is the Australian army these days? Good thanks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex 35104 Posted December 8, 2017 Share Posted December 8, 2017 4 minutes ago, Meenzer said: Dunno, how is the Australian army these days? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex 35104 Posted December 8, 2017 Share Posted December 8, 2017 18 minutes ago, Christmas Tree said: Tut tut, I said “bent over backwards to get the deal done this week”. They have been much more positive about trying to get it nailed down rather than letting it drag til after Xmas. Everything they have said this week has been upbeat rather than the tone of previous rounds. They've always wanted a deal, the positivity from the EU suggests they're getting what they want. We've agreed to everything they've asked for so far. But no, they're the ones bending over backwards What concessions have the EU made so far btw? The bill to leave OR the promise of there being no hard border with Ireland? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Dr Gloom 21959 Posted December 8, 2017 Share Posted December 8, 2017 what a perfect time to be leaving the EU Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex 35104 Posted December 8, 2017 Share Posted December 8, 2017 But, but, but...we can make our own free trade agreements now Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Gloom 21959 Posted December 8, 2017 Share Posted December 8, 2017 pwnt Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Park Life 71 Posted December 8, 2017 Share Posted December 8, 2017 1 hour ago, Renton said: I agree but we could hardly have done it in a more shambolic way! There are some pluses. This ten year transitional deal will utterly fuck the conservatives. By the time it's over, the millenials will get us back in the EU lock, stock, and barrel. This current pack of Tories are the worst cunts in living memory. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Park Life 71 Posted December 8, 2017 Share Posted December 8, 2017 1 hour ago, Alex said: They've always wanted a deal, the positivity from the EU suggests they're getting what they want. We've agreed to everything they've asked for so far. But no, they're the ones bending over backwards What concessions have the EU made so far btw? The bill to leave OR the promise of there being no hard border with Ireland? Letting us leave is the concession man. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Renton 21640 Posted December 8, 2017 Share Posted December 8, 2017 But but freedom! Sovereignty! I've yet to hear a SINGLE example of an EU law that has negatively impacted on any individuals life. Meanwhile, Brexit occurred just as wages were beginning to recover from the 2008 crash. Only Greece and Portugal have fared worse than us in living standards. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Renton 21640 Posted December 8, 2017 Share Posted December 8, 2017 23 minutes ago, Dr Gloom said: what a perfect time to be leaving the EU Must be fake news. I heard from CT the EU can't do trade deals with anyone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rayvin 5223 Posted December 8, 2017 Share Posted December 8, 2017 (edited) Why have we let people who know fuck all about anything, inflict this farce on the country? Edited December 8, 2017 by Rayvin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Park Life 71 Posted December 8, 2017 Share Posted December 8, 2017 2 minutes ago, Rayvin said: Why have we left people who know fuck all about anything, inflict this farce on the country? Is that horse high enough? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ewerk 30647 Posted December 8, 2017 Share Posted December 8, 2017 He's right though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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