Andrew 4748 Posted October 26, 2017 Share Posted October 26, 2017 8 minutes ago, Renton said: Meanwhile yesterday Davis said parliament would get a vote on the deal, after it had been made, making us little more than a tin pot dictatorship, and greatly contrasting with the so called undemocratic EU, whose member sovereign states will all have a say. So much for taking back control. This feels like a de facto coup to me. Still think NI will break it though. He changed his mind slightly later in the day at PMQs though...sort of. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ewerk 30610 Posted October 26, 2017 Share Posted October 26, 2017 Almost like he's making it up as he goes along. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Renton 21623 Posted October 26, 2017 Share Posted October 26, 2017 12 minutes ago, Andrew said: He changed his mind slightly later in the day at PMQs though...sort of. I actually thought he looked drunk in the select committee. There's mutterings he doesn't believe in Brexit himself any more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sonatine 11376 Posted October 29, 2017 Share Posted October 29, 2017 (edited) Frankie Boyle on good form here https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2017/oct/28/night-of-the-living-dead-britains-brexit-team Quote The Tories are at pains to make sure that Brexit is being done by the book; sadly, that book is Lord of the Flies. If the EU had created Brexit as a deliberate The Producers-style disaster to demonstrate how difficult it was to leave, they’d probably have been tempted to tone down the casting. The key players include Liam Fox, a man who looks like he could finish a steak while looking at footage from Hiroshima; Boris Johnson, who for the first time finds himself in a cabinet without it involving someone saying: “Quick! My husband’s home early!”, and David Davis, Sid James after a This Morningmakeover and a half-hearted tilt at therapy Edited October 29, 2017 by Sonatine Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ohhh_yeah 2964 Posted October 29, 2017 Share Posted October 29, 2017 @carolecadwalla Last Wednesday, 11 months into Donald Drumpf’s new world order, in the first year of normalisation, a sudden unblurring of lines took place. A shift. A door of perception swung open. Because that was the day that the dramatis personae of two separate Trump-Russia scandals smashed headlong into one another. A high-speed news car crash between Cambridge Analytica and Wikileaks, the two organisations that arguably had the most impact on 2016, coming together last week in one head-spinning scoop. That day, we learned that Alexander Nix, the CEO of Cambridge Analytica, the controversial data firm that helped Trump to power, had contacted Julian Assange to ask him if he wanted “help” with Wikileaks’s stash of stolen emails. That’s the stash of stolen emails that had such a devastating impact on Hillary Clinton in the last months of the campaign. And this story brought Wikileaks, which the head of the CIA describes as a “hostile intelligence service”, directly together with the Trump campaign for which Cambridge Analytica worked. This is an amazing plot twist for the company, owned by US billionaire Robert Mercer, which is already the subject of investigations by the House intelligence committee, the Senate intelligence committee, the FBI and, it was announced late on Friday night, the Senate judiciary committee. So far, so American. These are US scandals involving US politics and the news made the headlines in US bulletins across US networks. But it’s also Cambridge Analytica, the data analytics company, which has its headquarters in central London and that, following a series of articles about its role in Brexit in the Guardian and the Observer, is also being investigated, by the Electoral Commission and the Information Commissioner’s Office. The company that was spun out of a British military contractor, is headed by an old Etonian and that responded to our stories earlier this year by threatening to sue us. It’s our Cambridge it’s named after, not the American one, and it was here that it processed the voter files of 240 million US citizens. It’s also here that this “hostile intelligence service” – Wikileaks – is based. The Ecuadorian embassy is just a few miles, as the crow flies, from Cambridge Analytica’s head office. Because this is not just about America. It’s about Britain, too. This is transatlantic. It’s not possible to separate Britain and the US in this whole sorry mess – and I say this as someone who has spent months trying. Where we see this most clearly is in that other weird Wikileaks connection: Nigel Frottage. Because that moment in March when Frottage was caught tripping down the steps of the Ecuadorian embassy was the last moment the lines suddenly became visible. That the ideological overlaps between Wikileaks and Trump and Brexit were revealed to be not just lines, but a channel of communication. Because if there’s one person who’s in the middle of all of this, but who has escaped any proper scrutiny, it’s Nigel Frottage. That’s Nigel Frottage, who led the Leave.EU campaign, which is being investigated by the Electoral Commission alongside Cambridge Analytica, about whether the latter made an “impermissible donation” of services to the Leave campaign. Nigel Frottage who visited Donald Drumpf and then Julian Assange. Who is friends with Steve Bannon and Robert Mercer. Who headed an organisation – Ukip – which has multiple, public, visible but almost entirely unreported Russian connections. Who is paid by the Russian state via the broadcaster RT, which was banned last week from Twitter. And who appears like clockwork on British television without any word of this. This is a power network that involves Wikileaks and Frottage, and Cambridge Analytica and Frottage, and Robert Mercer and Frottage. Steve Bannon, former vice president of Cambridge Analytica, and Frottage. It’s Nigel Frottage and Brexit and Trump and Cambridge Analytica and Wikileaks… and, if the Senate intelligence committee and the House intelligence committee and the FBI are on to anything at all, somewhere in the middle of all that, Russia. Try to follow this on a daily basis and it’s one long headspin: a spider’s web of relationships and networks of power and patronage and alliances that spans the Atlantic and embraces data firms, thinktanks and media outlets. It is about complicated corporate structures in obscure jurisdictions, involving offshore funds funnelled through the black-box algorithms of the platform tech monopolists. That it’s eye-wateringly complicated and geographically diffuse is not a coincidence. Confusion is the charlatan’s friend, noise its accessory. The babble on Twitter is a convenient cloak of darkness. Yet it’s also quite simple. In a well-functioning democracy, a well-functioning press and a well-functioning parliament would help a well-functioning judiciary do its job. Britain is not that country. There is a vacuum where questions should be, the committees, the inquiries, the headlines on the TV bulletins. What was Nigel Frottage doing in the Ecuadorian embassy? More to the point: why has no public official asked him? Why is he giving speeches – for money – in the US? Who’s paying him? I know this because my weirdest new hobby of 2017 is to harry Arron Banks, the Bristol businessman who was Ukip and Leave.EU’s main funder, and Andy Wigmore, Leave.EU’s comms man and Belize’s trade attache to the US, across the internet late at night. Wigmore told me about this new US venture – an offshore-based political consultancy working on Steve Bannon-related projects – in a series of tweets. Is it true? Who knows? Leave.EU has learned from its Trumpian friends that black is white and white is black and these half-facts are a convenient way of diffusing scandal and obscuring truth. What on earth was Frottage doing advancing Calexit – Californian Brexit? And why did I find a photo of him hanging out with Dana Rohrabacher, the Californian known in the US press as “Putin’s favourite congressman”? The same Dana Rohrabacher who’s met with Don Trump Jr’s Russian lawyer and – wait for it – also visited Julian Assange in the Ecuadorian embassy. And who is now interceding on his behalf to obtain a pardon from Don Trump Junior’s dad. (You got this? Frottage visited Trump, then Assange, then Rohrabacher. Rohrabacher met Don Trump’s Russian lawyer, Natalia Veselnitskaya. Then Assange. And is now trying to close the circle with Trump.) In these post-truth times, journalists are fighting the equivalent of a firestorm with a bottle of water and a wet hankie. We desperately need help. We need public pressure. We need parliament to step up and start asking proper questions. There may be innocent answers to all these questions. Let’s please just ask them. https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2017/oct/28/trump-assange-bannon-farage-bound-together-in-unholy-alliance Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Meenzer 15526 Posted October 31, 2017 Share Posted October 31, 2017 Fairly obvious, but the "Trick and treat!" line pleased me. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rayvin 5223 Posted October 31, 2017 Share Posted October 31, 2017 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex 35079 Posted October 31, 2017 Share Posted October 31, 2017 I see May was at the Pride of Britain awards praising the emergency services that don't deserve a pay rise. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaddockLad 17257 Posted October 31, 2017 Share Posted October 31, 2017 http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-41803604 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Meenzer 15526 Posted November 1, 2017 Share Posted November 1, 2017 Reassuring. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ewerk 30610 Posted November 1, 2017 Share Posted November 1, 2017 They're keeping it under wraps because it improves our negotiating position. Because at the moment May has really fooled them into thinking that no deal will be great for us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rayvin 5223 Posted November 1, 2017 Share Posted November 1, 2017 I don't think there are any new ways that it is possible to say how fucking stupid this is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Gloom 21921 Posted November 1, 2017 Share Posted November 1, 2017 brilliant read by peston https://behindthepaywallblog.wordpress.com/2017/10/28/robert-peston-i-dont-appear-to-be-living-in-the-same-britain-as-much-of-the-rest-of-the-country/ 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Meenzer 15526 Posted November 1, 2017 Share Posted November 1, 2017 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ewerk 30610 Posted November 2, 2017 Share Posted November 2, 2017 Finally it can be revealed where CT gets his political information. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kevin Carr's Gloves 3894 Posted November 2, 2017 Share Posted November 2, 2017 20 minutes ago, ewerk said: Finally it can be revealed where CT gets his political information. The utter fucknuts, "legal EU citizens"! There are no illegal EU citizens you shit eating cockwombles. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Meenzer 15526 Posted November 2, 2017 Share Posted November 2, 2017 http://www.express.co.uk/news/politics/873842/Brexit-news-trade-deal-EU-David-Davis "REVEALED: The thing Remoaners have been trying to tell you for years!" Still, interesting that even the Telegraph and the Express are starting to express a bit of concern recently. There's one paper still holding out... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ewerk 30610 Posted November 2, 2017 Share Posted November 2, 2017 3 minutes ago, Meenzer said: http://www.express.co.uk/news/politics/873842/Brexit-news-trade-deal-EU-David-Davis "REVEALED: The thing Remoaners have been trying to tell you for years!" Still, interesting that even the Telegraph and the Express are starting to express a bit of concern recently. There's one paper still holding out... We should just leave now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Christmas Tree 4725 Posted November 3, 2017 Author Share Posted November 3, 2017 On 01/11/2017 at 9:48 AM, Dr Gloom said: brilliant read by peston https://behindthepaywallblog.wordpress.com/2017/10/28/robert-peston-i-dont-appear-to-be-living-in-the-same-britain-as-much-of-the-rest-of-the-country/ Interesting that arch remainer Peston today said that “those who voted for Brexit were on the right side of the argument and the right side of history”. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom 14011 Posted November 3, 2017 Share Posted November 3, 2017 Eh? It's a pending economic catastrophe & they only won the referendum by lying through their teeth. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ewerk 30610 Posted November 3, 2017 Share Posted November 3, 2017 8 hours ago, Christmas Tree said: Interesting that arch remainer Peston today said that “those who voted for Brexit were on the right side of the argument and the right side of history”. Have you actually listened to what he said? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christmas Tree 4725 Posted November 3, 2017 Author Share Posted November 3, 2017 (edited) 7 minutes ago, ewerk said: Have you actually listened to what he said? Yes, hence the exact quote taken from his interview. Edited November 3, 2017 by Christmas Tree Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ewerk 30610 Posted November 3, 2017 Share Posted November 3, 2017 So you'll know that he specifically stated that he's not saying that Brexit will be a success? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Gloom 21921 Posted November 3, 2017 Share Posted November 3, 2017 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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