Dr Gloom 21811 Posted October 9, 2017 Share Posted October 9, 2017 (edited) Macron is keen to introduce big labour reform, "liberalising" the jobs market. If he's successful they will take France more down the neoliberal path but if there is a reaction at the polls next time, I would expect France to move further to the left rather than elect le pen, who despite her attempts to reach out to the working class and detoxify the party, still suffers with the image of the party - her fathers legacy. Edited October 9, 2017 by Dr Gloom Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Park Life 71 Posted October 9, 2017 Share Posted October 9, 2017 4 minutes ago, Dr Gloom said: Macron is keen to introduce big labour reform, "liberalising" the jobs market. If he's successful they will take France more down the neoliberal path but if there is a reaction at the polls next time, I would expect France to move further to the left rather than elect le pen, who despite her attempts to reach out to the working class and detoxify the party, still suffers with the image of the party - her fathers legacy. Yeah the French will move to the left if he has any success in moving away from the traditional work/life French balance and the negotiating power of the unions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Meenzer 15391 Posted October 10, 2017 Share Posted October 10, 2017 I see the Maybot is actively preparing for a no-deal exit now. Good thing you can trust the Tories on the economy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Gloom 21811 Posted October 10, 2017 Share Posted October 10, 2017 The billions that is going to cost creating all the new quangos etc man. I think it's more a case of her trying to appease Tory brexiteers, after her holocaust of a conference speech, and playing a high stakes poker hand with Brussels. They've barely started the massive preparations needed for the vast new bureaucracy if such an eventuality were to occur by 2019. It's going to be chaos at ports if it does happen. And think about all those businesses in Northern Ireland who trade freely with businesses in the republic or maybe have a home one side of the border but work a few miles over the other side. Willy waving tbh. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ewerk 30242 Posted October 10, 2017 Share Posted October 10, 2017 Yup. Even some of the leavers are starting to realise this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rayvin 5176 Posted October 10, 2017 Share Posted October 10, 2017 If she's going for 'no deal' then I'm becoming more convinced that this won't happen. If by design or incompetence she manages to take us to the point where things get so bad that we have to stay, I'll be prepared to say she was a necessary and (accidentally) useful PM. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Gloom 21811 Posted October 10, 2017 Share Posted October 10, 2017 there isn't a chance of no deal man. it'd be chaos and almost certainly will lead to the biggest self-infllicted recession of all time. the longer she keeps up this pretence, the more likely we end up realising the high risk game of chicken will backfire and the more likely we end up being forced to accept whatever the EU demand. and they're unlikely to be in a generous mood. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Meenzer 15391 Posted October 10, 2017 Share Posted October 10, 2017 Fanny flapping. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rayvin 5176 Posted October 10, 2017 Share Posted October 10, 2017 Anyone wonder what manner of evils are happening in the background while we're all obsessing over this? It's such a waste of public resources. The simple truth to the whole thing, IMO is: We allowed you a vote on the EU because we have consistently scapegoated it, and because we don't think you'll actually vote to leave it in big enough numbers. If we remain, it'll allow us to heal schism in the Tory party, and will also mean we can turn around and say that we gave you the chance to 'solve the problem' in your lives, and you chose not to. Unfortunately, you voted to leave. Your vote was likely driven by a need to lash out at the government over austerity and falling living standards, but we can't come out and say that openly because it calls into question the last 7 years of Conservative rule, and would almost certainly see us obliterated in a GE. We need the status quo to continue because it works for us, and we're prepared to accept overall diminished wealth if we're still rich relative to all of you lot. Also, we're actually pretty scared of taking responsibility for this in full, because who wants to be holding the can for such a monumental fuck up? Added to this, we now have Corbyn in the background threatening to actually solve the things that are really making you miserable - this will make us less well off relative to all of you, and is completely unacceptable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Park Life 71 Posted October 10, 2017 Share Posted October 10, 2017 Nothing will change whatever the deal. Massive waste of resources the whole shebang. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rayvin 5176 Posted October 10, 2017 Share Posted October 10, 2017 Yep. Democracy is not just a sham these days, it's also a total waste of everyone's time Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Park Life 71 Posted October 10, 2017 Share Posted October 10, 2017 No idea why we bother with it. Just let technocrats educated at the Lycee get on with it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Gloom 21811 Posted October 10, 2017 Share Posted October 10, 2017 Ffs man Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Howmanheyman 32715 Posted October 11, 2017 Share Posted October 11, 2017 On 07/10/2017 at 8:04 AM, Ayatollah Hermione said: Look, chicken dippers haven't went up in price drastically so it's BAU in the CT household. scarily accurate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex 34822 Posted October 11, 2017 Share Posted October 11, 2017 Caught about 30 seconds of Sky News before and they've dubbed their Brexit coverage as Britain vs. the EU: The Battle for Brexit. Ffs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Gloom 21811 Posted October 12, 2017 Share Posted October 12, 2017 brilliant writing https://www.newstatesman.com/politics/staggers/2017/10/brexit-failing-because-its-being-negotiated-interests-conservative-party Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christmas Tree 4685 Posted October 12, 2017 Author Share Posted October 12, 2017 48 minutes ago, Dr Gloom said: brilliant writing https://www.newstatesman.com/politics/staggers/2017/10/brexit-failing-because-its-being-negotiated-interests-conservative-party Really? We go through all of this to simply avoid free movement and pay more to the EU. No thanks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Renton 21271 Posted October 12, 2017 Share Posted October 12, 2017 1 hour ago, Dr Gloom said: brilliant writing https://www.newstatesman.com/politics/staggers/2017/10/brexit-failing-because-its-being-negotiated-interests-conservative-party Sounds like a reasonable compromise, therefore won't happen. Have to have cake and eat it, remember? Tbh that phrase which Johnson made up and which Tubs here laps up like a clapping seal sums up the idiocy perfectly. Johnson is so bare faced he just reverses the meaning of the metaphor. But the problem is, it just takes a tiny modicum of intelligence to realise that only the original metaphor makes any sense, the alternative is pure gibberish. Same as Gove's reversal of the silk purses and sow's ears. Brexit in a nutshell. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Gloom 21811 Posted October 12, 2017 Share Posted October 12, 2017 (edited) 14 hours ago, Christmas Tree said: Really? We go through all of this to simply avoid free movement and pay more to the EU. No thanks. the piece simply illustrates how we can fix the Brexit impasse ... and why we won't. Edited October 13, 2017 by Dr Gloom Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rayvin 5176 Posted October 13, 2017 Share Posted October 13, 2017 12 hours ago, Christmas Tree said: Really? We go through all of this to simply avoid free movement and pay more to the EU. No thanks. That is exactly what we've been saying for months. That's the whole gameplan anyway. We stop free movement and end up paying more, one way or another, by virtue of economic devastation or unfavourable trading deals, than we did in the first place. It's a good article because it gets out ahead of the problem. At least we could control and know the outcome like this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex 34822 Posted October 13, 2017 Share Posted October 13, 2017 15 hours ago, Christmas Tree said: Really? We go through all of this to simply avoid free movement and pay more to the EU. No thanks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Renton 21271 Posted October 13, 2017 Share Posted October 13, 2017 This is potentially interesting. It's a shame it's necessary to take legal action in order to get the government to do the right thing though. https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/oct/13/david-davis-faces-legal-threat-over-secret-reports-on-brexit-impact Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Gloom 21811 Posted October 13, 2017 Share Posted October 13, 2017 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Meenzer 15391 Posted October 13, 2017 Share Posted October 13, 2017 She's a weird one JHB, I'm sure she used to be broadly all right (within the parameters of "right-leaning commentator out to make a name for herself" anyway), but she seems to have come unhinged the last few years. It's almost like the attention you can get for TELLING IT LIKE IT IS on Twitter is in some way pernicious and addictive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Renton 21271 Posted October 13, 2017 Share Posted October 13, 2017 Is treason still a capital crime? No idea who this JHB character is btw. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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