Meenzer 15392 Posted September 27, 2017 Share Posted September 27, 2017 I'd say the outrage in the immediate aftermath of the referendum far outweighed the Uber thing though, it's just that you can't sustain that level of anger or you'll go mad. Life has to go on even when the prospect of an open and prosperous Britain doesn't. ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex 34822 Posted September 27, 2017 Share Posted September 27, 2017 13 minutes ago, Meenzer said: I'd say the outrage in the immediate aftermath of the referendum far outweighed the Uber thing though, it's just that you can't sustain that level of anger or you'll go mad. Life has to go on even when the prospect of an open and prosperous Britain doesn't. ... Aye, fair comment. But I still think there's a point that the loss of that many jobs should lead to more outrage than the Uber thing. To paraphrase Dan Ashcroft, the cunts are winning. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rayvin 5176 Posted September 27, 2017 Share Posted September 27, 2017 3 minutes ago, Alex said: Aye, fair comment. But I still think there's a point that the loss of that many jobs should lead to more outrage than the Uber thing. To paraphrase Dan Ashcroft, the cunts are winning. I agree. CT perhaps had the right of this earlier - people don't care unless it affects them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Fish 10709 Posted September 27, 2017 Share Posted September 27, 2017 21 minutes ago, Meenzer said: I'd say the outrage in the immediate aftermath of the referendum far outweighed the Uber thing though, it's just that you can't sustain that level of anger or you'll go mad. Life has to go on even when the prospect of an open and prosperous Britain doesn't. ... Which is exactly why so many Brexiteers are the way they are and vote the way they vote. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Meenzer 15392 Posted September 27, 2017 Share Posted September 27, 2017 It's all right though, now we'll be freed from the shackles of the evil EU and can trade with the rest of the... wait what? http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-41397181 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rayvin 5176 Posted September 27, 2017 Share Posted September 27, 2017 Just now, Meenzer said: It's all right though, now we'll be freed from the shackles of the EU and can trade with the rest of the... wait what? http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-41397181 Perversely, we need Trump to do more of this. It could well be that he saves us from this whole charade by demonstrating that we can't rely on the US, and that the world is becoming a less open place. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Meenzer 15392 Posted September 27, 2017 Share Posted September 27, 2017 Yep Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Renton 21280 Posted September 27, 2017 Share Posted September 27, 2017 Just now, Meenzer said: It's all right though, now we'll be free to trade with the rest of the... wait what? http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-41397181 As I heard one observer quip, the pound has dropped, but the penny hasn't dropped amongst brexiters. The world doesn't owe us a living, we are completely fucked with the present trajectory. I honestly find it frightening. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex 34822 Posted September 27, 2017 Share Posted September 27, 2017 The most racist and xenophobic amongst the Brexit lot are the same ones who think the rest of the world should love us though Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Renton 21280 Posted September 27, 2017 Share Posted September 27, 2017 2 minutes ago, Rayvin said: Perversely, we need Trump to do more of this. It could well be that he saves us from this whole charade by demonstrating that we can't rely on the US, and that the world is becoming a less open place. It may be too late. We can't cancel Brexit now, and we can't even guarantee EFTA membership. We are at the mercy of the goodwill of our fellow Europeans who we have royally fucked off since the Tories got in power. I just hope they remember that the younger, more intelligent half of the population never wanted this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rayvin 5176 Posted September 27, 2017 Share Posted September 27, 2017 Just now, Renton said: It may be too late. We can't cancel Brexit now, and we can't even guarantee EFTA membership. We are at the mercy of the goodwill of our fellow Europeans who we have royally fucked off since the Tories got in power. I just hope they remember that the younger, more intelligent half of the population never wanted this. The EU has said we can back out of Brexit at any time, and I genuinely believe they mean that. The Tories want to extend the deadline for leaving to 2021... I think there's a chance yet. 2021 gives us the full term of Donald Trump. We may well have had a nuclear war by that point, who knows what the lay of the land will be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex 34822 Posted September 27, 2017 Share Posted September 27, 2017 Just now, Rayvin said: The EU has said we can back out of Brexit at any time, and I genuinely believe they mean that. The Tories want to extend the deadline for leaving to 2021... I think there's a chance yet. 2021 gives us the full term of Donald Trump. We may well have had a nuclear war by that point, who knows what the lay of the land will be. They don't want Brexit either so there'll be an escape route until the last possible moment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rayvin 5176 Posted September 27, 2017 Share Posted September 27, 2017 (edited) Just now, Alex said: They don't want Brexit either so there'll be an escape route until the last possible moment. Exactly. We just need the rest of the world to look a lot more scary than the EU to turn the Brexiters around Donald Trump could save the nation. Edited September 27, 2017 by Rayvin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ewerk 30253 Posted September 27, 2017 Share Posted September 27, 2017 They aren't rational thinkers though. 61% of Brexiteers think that economic damage is a price worth paying. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rayvin 5176 Posted September 27, 2017 Share Posted September 27, 2017 1 minute ago, ewerk said: They aren't rational thinkers though. 61% of Brexiteers think that economic damage is a price worth paying. True but maybe they'd be different once they actually start to see it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ewerk 30253 Posted September 27, 2017 Share Posted September 27, 2017 Maybe but 51% of them are happy for their own family to lose jobs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rayvin 5176 Posted September 27, 2017 Share Posted September 27, 2017 Fucks sake, that's a grim stat... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex 34822 Posted September 27, 2017 Share Posted September 27, 2017 I'd be happy for 51% of them to lose their own lives 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Renton 21280 Posted September 27, 2017 Share Posted September 27, 2017 26 minutes ago, Rayvin said: The EU has said we can back out of Brexit at any time, and I genuinely believe they mean that. The Tories want to extend the deadline for leaving to 2021... I think there's a chance yet. 2021 gives us the full term of Donald Trump. We may well have had a nuclear war by that point, who knows what the lay of the land will be. I hope you are right, I really do. But when I think about it, I'm not sure the EU might make substantial gains through Brexit, by poaching our most high value industries, particularly financial. What brexiters don't get is that our contribution to the EU, our only leverage, is trivial compared with the benefits. Our contribution is 0.05% of EU GDP. A rounding error basically. The ECB produces €80 billion a month through QE! Ten times our annual contribution every fucking month! Yeah, they're clearly shitting themselves over losing our money. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rayvin 5176 Posted September 27, 2017 Share Posted September 27, 2017 (edited) 3 minutes ago, Renton said: I hope you are right, I really do. But when I think about it, I'm not sure the EU might make substantial gains through Brexit, by poaching our most high value industries, particularly financial. What brexiters don't get is that our contribution to the EU, our only leverage, is trivial compared with the benefits. Our contribution is 0.05% of EU GDP. A rounding error basically. The ECB produces €80 billion a month through QE! Ten times our annual contribution every fucking month! Yeah, they're clearly shitting themselves over losing our money. Yeah but they do care about the political project. Our departure is a political failure for the EU, as much as it's a bigger one for the UK. If we turned tail and returned, they would likely see that as a political success, and hopefully as a deterrent to other members states who might think the same way. "The UK tried it but realised it would be a disaster, so came back". It would be quite an endorsement of the project, actually. Edited September 27, 2017 by Rayvin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ewerk 30253 Posted September 27, 2017 Share Posted September 27, 2017 I'm not so sure they'd give us our rebate back though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NJS 4371 Posted September 27, 2017 Share Posted September 27, 2017 47 minutes ago, Alex said: The most racist and xenophobic amongst the Brexit lot are the same ones who think the rest of the world should love us though Or say it was okay when we ruled the waves which we can do again apparently. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Meenzer 15392 Posted September 27, 2017 Share Posted September 27, 2017 26 minutes ago, ewerk said: I'm not so sure they'd give us our rebate back though. They should insist we adopt the euro. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rayvin 5176 Posted September 27, 2017 Share Posted September 27, 2017 27 minutes ago, ewerk said: I'm not so sure they'd give us our rebate back though. True, but that's the consequence of all of this. We would just need them to sort that out reasonably quietly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Park Life 71 Posted September 27, 2017 Share Posted September 27, 2017 Bombardier Boom! There will be more of this kind of stuff just to ram it home with reg to the single market. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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