Europe --- In or Out

[Alex 35615]

She's a clever politician and I don't mean that in a perjorative way. She's making a very reasonable offer given the circumstances but I feel it's also one that the Tories may well find themselves thinking they have to reject. Which would almost certainly tip the balance in her favour in a 2nd referendum.

[Dr Gloom 22185]

i'm starting to conclude that brexit is going to be hard, if you take may on what she's actually said.

[Alex 35615]

Not that I have a great deal of sympathy for her, but the greatest PM in the world eva has placed her and the government in a pretty shitty position regarding all this.

[Rayvin 5310]

Not that I have a great deal of sympathy for her, but the greatest PM in the world eva has placed her and the government in a pretty shitty position regarding all this.

 

Given that she chose to run for leader and to see this through, you should have precisely zero sympathy for her.

[Alex 35615]

True enough. Especially since she stayed out of the campaign for her own political gain.

[Gemmill 46088]

"Senior city figures" have warned the Treasury Select committee that 230,000 city jobs could be lost as a result of Brexit.

 

This is never happening.

[ewerk 31227]

Just like we were never going to vote for Brexit and Trump was never going to be elected.

 

Rule nothing out.

[Alex 35615]

"Senior city figures" have warned the Treasury Select committee that 230,000 city jobs could be lost as a result of Brexit.

 

This is never happening.

It should be sold along those lines. Especially since half the disenfranchised types (for want of a less polite phrase) won't bother voting come the next GE anyway. And it looks like any gains from UKIP could be Labour rather Tory losses anyway.

Just thinking though, I wonder how much the press and the traditional parties will go after UKIP. Because going after Trump seemed to have the opposite effect to that which was intended. Loads of fuckwits will lap up his shit

[Dr Gloom 22185]

"Senior city figures" have warned the Treasury Select committee that 230,000 city jobs could be lost as a result of Brexit.

 

This is never happening.

 

i disagree. she's said she doesn't want to keep "bits" (single market access in other words). so it's a hard divorce, if you take her at face value and on how the market has reacted with the sterling trade. 

Edited January 10, 2017 by Dr Gloom

[Gemmill 46088]

It should be sold along those lines. Especially since half the disenfranchised types (for want of a less polite phrase) won't bother voting come the next GE anyway. And it looks like any gains from UKIP could be Labour rather Tory losses anyway.

Just thinking though, I wonder how much the press and the traditional parties will go after UKIP. Because going after Trump seemed to have the opposite effect to that which was intended. Loads of fuckwits will lap up his shit

Look Alex, the Chairman of HSBC has said that "the best outcome for EVERYBODY is the preservation of the status quo", so who are you to argue.

[Dr Gloom 22185]

If in doubt we can always take the egalitarian approach and become a tax haven

 

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/jan/15/philip-hammond-suggests-uk-outside-single-market-could-become-tax-haven

[Park Life 71]

Ha ha they've just realised that London does loads of their hedging and short term paper for them.

[Kevin Carr's Gloves 3982]

A brexit for the 1%

[Park Life 71]

Juncker the ex-tax fixer for companies in Lux says it's going to be very difficult negotiations.

[ewerk 31227]

2000 jobs moved to Europe by two banks. And that'll just be the start.

[Andrew 4872]

Surprised there's been nowt in here this afternoon.

 

Anna Soubry, the Conservative, asks Gove is he still stands by the claim that leaving the EU could save £350m a week for the NHS. Or will he accept that was a lie?

 

Gove says he is not in government, so he cannot decide how the money saved is spent. But he says Vote Leave said £100m a week would go to the NHS. Vote Leave also wanted extra money to go to science, and VAT on fuel to be cut.

 

 

weird that. 

[ewerk 31227]

'I have no input into where money is spent but yes it was a lie.'

[Alex 35615]

He's not clever enough to realise he's just admitted to lying by making the claim in the first place.

[Andrew 4872]

'I have no input into where money is spent but yes it was a lie.'

 

He ought to have been laughed out of the room with that one, its just daft.

 

Clarke's speech was quite good, the rest have been underwhelming. Main call seems to be for a unilateral decision on the rights of current residents from the EU.

[ewerk 31227]

 

And he insists that "we could not have been clearer in the Leave campaign" that leaving the EU meant leaving the single market and the customs union.

 

[Renton 22008]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0xGt3QmRSZY

Would love to see some of those featured respond to that video. Pretty sure at least 2% of leavers wanted to stay in the single market. Tubs was one iirc. "Democracy".

[Dr Gloom 22185]

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[ewerk 31227]

 

 

• The data confirms previous indications that local results were strongly associated with the educational attainment of voters - populations with lower qualifications were significantly more likely to vote Leave. (The data for this analysis comes from one in nine wards)
• The level of education had a higher correlation with the voting pattern than any other major demographic measure from the census

 

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-38762034

[Renton 22008]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-38762034

Read that. Brexiters are thick, senile, racists shocker.

[Rayvin 5310]

That should be (but won't be) eye opening for the Brexiters. If everyone who voted Remain literally did up and leave the country, they'd be beyond fucked.