Park Life 71 Posted July 6, 2016 Share Posted July 6, 2016 They'll all be scuttling around looking at the best way to hoover up the nascent UKIP vote. Pathetic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaddockLad 17281 Posted July 6, 2016 Share Posted July 6, 2016 (edited) I'm at the stage where I'd like to see this happen. If we still have 4 years to the next GE, we have the time. Let Corbyn keep the labour party and his 30 odd loyal MPs. Let the rest form their own party, ideally with a merger with the Lib Dems. That would rightfully leave Corbyn's party as the 4th largest party in west minster. This wouldn't be like the SDP split of the 80s because it would have massive parliamentary support, and I hope, public support. We're in desperate times, we need radical measures. Isnt your conclusion at the end of this post a blatant contradiction? "Radical measures" isn't more neo liberal bullshit that got us into the state were in now, it's just more of the same. I understand your "least worse option" (that's pretty much how I voted) thing but there's 10s of millions who voted for some sort of change and as a result we're out of the EU. There's huge swathes of this country in which, for for dozens of communities', their "reason for existing" has vanished. They're the ones who voted out, they're the ones who will get no change pretty much regardless of how they voted. I don't see that as being any choice whatsoever. If this MOTR party gets started am sure it will attract a lot of voters, but can you envisage that they'd change anything in a significant way, should they get into power? Edited July 6, 2016 by PaddockLad Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Renton 21628 Posted July 6, 2016 Share Posted July 6, 2016 Isnt your conclusion at the end of this post a blatant contradiction? "Radical measures" isn't more neo liberal bullshit that got us into the state were in now, it's just more of the same. I understand your "least worse option" (that's pretty much how I voted) thing but there's 10s of millions who voted for some sort of change and as a result we're out of the EU. There's huge swathes of this country in which, for for dozens of communities', their "reason for existing" has vanished. They're the ones who voted out, they're the ones who will get no change pretty much regardless of how they voted. I don't see that as being any choice whatsoever. If this MOTR party gets started am sure it will attract a lot of voters, but can you envisage that they'd change anything in a significant way, should they get into power? I would say the labour party splitting in the way I described as quite radical, yes. Another radical measure that they should introduce as part of their manifesto is proportional representation. This would address many of your issues. FTP doesn't work any more. I can dream. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ewerk 30620 Posted July 6, 2016 Share Posted July 6, 2016 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Meenzer 15550 Posted July 6, 2016 Share Posted July 6, 2016 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Park Life 71 Posted July 6, 2016 Share Posted July 6, 2016 They've been mixing Italian virgin olive oil with olive oil imported from Tunisia. That's the last fucking straw! Brexit! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Gloom 21930 Posted July 6, 2016 Share Posted July 6, 2016 What does this all mean for chickpea prices? I simply refuse to pay more than £15 for my lunchtime falafel wrap Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wykikitoon 20170 Posted July 6, 2016 Share Posted July 6, 2016 Two contract lads here are being let go due to a slow down in work Worrying times Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monkeys Fist 42459 Posted July 6, 2016 Share Posted July 6, 2016 Two contract lads here are being let go due to a slow down in work Worrying times CT- thinks " Where's Contravakia?" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Gloom 21930 Posted July 6, 2016 Share Posted July 6, 2016 and there she goes, as I predicted last week, sterling today fell below $1.30, hitting a low of $1.28 - last seen in 1985. the currency market is forecasting further weakness as investors pile into havens like gold and government debt. the pound's dramatic slide, from $1.50 pre-brexit, has fanned fears that foreign investors will sell UK assets as they try and get ahead of a deeper decline for the currency. BAU - unless you're planning a holiday any time soon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ewerk 30620 Posted July 6, 2016 Share Posted July 6, 2016 CT- thinks " Where's Contravakia?" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Meenzer 15550 Posted July 6, 2016 Share Posted July 6, 2016 BAU - unless you're planning a holiday any time soon. I thought I'd be all right with my next holiday being in Bulgaria, but it turns out the lev is pegged to the euro. Brilliant. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Gloom 21930 Posted July 6, 2016 Share Posted July 6, 2016 i'm going to the states in august. could be 1 for 1 on the dollar by then Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Gloom 21930 Posted July 6, 2016 Share Posted July 6, 2016 (edited) this is excellent reporting from Wigan on Brexit, from the NYT http://www.nytimes.com/2016/07/06/world/europe/wigan-england-brexit-working-class-voters.html?smprod=nytcore-iphone&smid=nytcore-iphone-share&_r=0 Edited July 6, 2016 by Dr Gloom Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rayvin 5223 Posted July 6, 2016 Share Posted July 6, 2016 (edited) Why on earth is this utter chaos being allowed to happen. The damage is still reversible but looks like it's going to be unfathomable if we stay the course. Obviously the best scenario is for Europe to save our asses by offering some kind of negotiation on free movement, but they aren't going to do that. The more likely option would be for the government, as a collective, across all parties, to come forward and just say 'this is fucking mental and we can't and won't do it'. Edited July 6, 2016 by Rayvin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Gloom 21930 Posted July 6, 2016 Share Posted July 6, 2016 Democracy innit Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rayvin 5223 Posted July 6, 2016 Share Posted July 6, 2016 Democracy, if this is its result, doesn't work. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trophyshy 7083 Posted July 6, 2016 Share Posted July 6, 2016 Sophistry Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rayvin 5223 Posted July 6, 2016 Share Posted July 6, 2016 Agreed, that'd be a far better word for the current state of affairs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Renton 21628 Posted July 6, 2016 Share Posted July 6, 2016 We got our country back. And anyway, BAU. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex 35095 Posted July 6, 2016 Share Posted July 6, 2016 Sophistrythat implies the arguments were clever but aye Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trophyshy 7083 Posted July 7, 2016 Share Posted July 7, 2016 Actually, what we have here is a mongocracy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Gloom 21930 Posted July 7, 2016 Share Posted July 7, 2016 (edited) two leading economists, Mohammed El-Erian and George Magnus, warn sterling could sink to parity with the dollar. Several leading investment banks see a short term out look of $1.10 to $1.20. Meanwhile, Christine Lagarde, head of the International Monetary Fund, has called on Britain to resolve its relationship with the European Union quickly, to limit the economic damage of Brexit. Business as mother fucking usual. Edited July 7, 2016 by Dr Gloom Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Renton 21628 Posted July 7, 2016 Share Posted July 7, 2016 BAMFU! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex 35095 Posted July 7, 2016 Share Posted July 7, 2016 two leading economists, Mohammed El-Erian and George Magnus, warn sterling could sink to parity with the dollar. Several leading investment banks see a short term out look of $1.10 to $1.20. Meanwhile, Christine Lagarde, head of the International Monetary Fund, has called on Britain to resolve its relationship with the European Union quickly, to limit the economic damage of Brexit. Business as mother fucking usual. Love how (not really, but you know what I mean) the leadership contest is set for the autumn so as not to fuck up anyone's summer holiday plans. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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