Rayvin 5151 Posted June 29, 2016 Share Posted June 29, 2016 Absolutely. People need to take responsibility for this when it goes tits up - and it's already doing that. When jobs go, when taxes rise, when investment in vital public services diminishes and we become a poorer country, the Leavers will have to accept that they fucked the country up. They won't, as they'll scapegoat something else (likely on the whims of whatever populist politician we have at that point) but ultimately this is on them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex 34718 Posted June 29, 2016 Share Posted June 29, 2016 Absolutely. People need to take responsibility for this when it goes tits up - and it's already doing that. When jobs go, when taxes rise, when investment in vital public services diminishes and we become a poorer country, the Leavers will have to accept that they fucked the country up. They won't, as they'll scapegoat something else (likely on the whims of whatever populist politician we have at that point) but ultimately this is on them. They'll blame the government :lol: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wykikitoon 19803 Posted June 29, 2016 Share Posted June 29, 2016 Basically they wanted to vote to leave but they didn't want to actually leave. That's partly why referendum's are a dangerous thing. I think there was a big protest vote over an issue too big to be fucking about with. Hard to feel sorry for people like that though. Nissan even told them beforehand which vote was the best to secure their jobs. It was made out amongst the Leave campaign as being extremely patronising but what the for were Nissan supposed to do? They were giving their employees the best available info. Who's fault is it that they chose to ignore it? Â Thats the problem with telling window lickers like that. They rebel. What did the Unions say? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rayvin 5151 Posted June 29, 2016 Share Posted June 29, 2016 (edited) If there's one thing that comes from this, it's that referendums should be fucking banned. Utterly mental holding the country hostage to this shitshow for nothing more than Tory Party infighting. Governments should not be allowed to do this. Edited June 29, 2016 by Rayvin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christmas Tree 4669 Posted June 29, 2016 Author Share Posted June 29, 2016 Â i've tried to flag this to CT several times in recent exchanges on the market turmoil but no response other than pointing out the FTSE 100 is rallying. I and my new mate Kruggers have pointed out to you that it's currently 600 points higher than it was in Feb. You have your fingers in your ears and are only concerned in market changes since the vote. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rayvin 5151 Posted June 29, 2016 Share Posted June 29, 2016 I and my new mate Kruggers have pointed out to you that it's currently 600 points higher than it was in Feb. You have your fingers in your ears and are only concerned in market changes since the vote. Â What about the thousands of jobs? That's not good, whichever way you colour it. Companies are pulling out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Gloom 21756 Posted June 29, 2016 Share Posted June 29, 2016 If there's one thing that comes from this, it's that referendums should be fucking banned. Utterly mental holding the country hostage to this shitshow for nothing more than Tory Party infighting. Governments should not be allowed to do this. Â it was a vanity project for cameron designed to win an election. beggars belief really Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Gloom 21756 Posted June 29, 2016 Share Posted June 29, 2016 (edited) I and my new mate Kruggers have pointed out to you that it's currently 600 points higher than it was in Feb. You have your fingers in your ears and are only concerned in market changes since the vote. Â i'll continue to watch the markets everyday and report on sentiment to keep you informed, CT. you can continue to cherry pick articles that make you feel better about your decision to vote leave - even those by people like krugman, who would disagree with 99 per cent of what you write on here. Edited June 29, 2016 by Dr Gloom Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex 34718 Posted June 29, 2016 Share Posted June 29, 2016 Â it was a vanity project for cameron designed to win an election. beggars belief really "The will of the British people" supplanting those "Hard working familes" in that particular round of bullshit bingo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rayvin 5151 Posted June 29, 2016 Share Posted June 29, 2016 More Labour MPs leaving. I'm really struggling to think what they imagine is going to happen if they oust Corbyn. The whole party looks 'unelectable' now, not just him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wykikitoon 19803 Posted June 29, 2016 Share Posted June 29, 2016 One positive should see HS2 scrapped. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Gloom 21756 Posted June 29, 2016 Share Posted June 29, 2016 Will Brexit Actually Happen? Â http://www.bloomberg.com/view/articles/2016-06-29/will-brexit-actually-happen Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gemmill 44093 Posted June 29, 2016 Share Posted June 29, 2016 More Labour MPs leaving. I'm really struggling to think what they imagine is going to happen if they oust Corbyn. The whole party looks 'unelectable' now, not just him.Some of them resigning only took their job 48 hours ago ffs. Bunch of cunts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christmas Tree 4669 Posted June 29, 2016 Author Share Posted June 29, 2016 More Labour MPs leaving. I'm really struggling to think what they imagine is going to happen if they oust Corbyn. The whole party looks 'unelectable' now, not just him. No election til 2020 so you've got a bit of breathing space. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christmas Tree 4669 Posted June 29, 2016 Author Share Posted June 29, 2016 Cameron to Corybyn. Â It might be in my party's interests for you to sit there, it's not in the country's. For heavens sake man go. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Gloom 21756 Posted June 29, 2016 Share Posted June 29, 2016 No election til 2020 so you've got a bit of breathing space. We'll see about that Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NJS 4355 Posted June 29, 2016 Share Posted June 29, 2016 Â What about the thousands of jobs? That's not good, whichever way you colour it. Companies are pulling out. I'm sure that lad (Dickie?) who posted that research cuts means his job is fucked will get the same sympathy from CT that Fist got for his mrs losing her job in the recession - a good belly laugh. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Park Life 71 Posted June 29, 2016 Share Posted June 29, 2016 (edited) The Blairite faction of the PLP want Corby out at all costs and they have been at it for ages...They know no matter how he dresses it up he isn't really a Europhile and never has been. Â This the soft right grouping (that hijacked the party many moons ago) has all but lost any sense of solidarity with the rank and file of traditional Labour voters (who are patriotic and localist and strongly tribal and regional). The Blairites who do most of their scheming and falaffel gorging in hip London dens and can be seen taking the air by the Thames while discussing cross dressing and man bags and water projects in Africa are nothing short of stunned. Now that house in Tuscany and posing for pictures with actors and fact finding missions to Brussels (where they hoped to end up in their dotage - see Kinnock, Blair and others)..is on the line they are playing at naked survival politics and trying to rid themselves of the only person in the party who is still pretty close to the grass roots. Edited June 29, 2016 by Park Life Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wykikitoon 19803 Posted June 29, 2016 Share Posted June 29, 2016 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NJS 4355 Posted June 29, 2016 Share Posted June 29, 2016 The Blairite faction of the PLP want Corby out at all costs and they have been at it for ages...They know no matter how he dresses it up he isn't really a Europhile and never has been. Â This the soft right grouping (that hijacked the party many moons ago) has all but lost any sense of solidarity with the rank and file of traditional Labour voters (who are patriotic and localist and strongly tribal and regional). The Blairites who do most of their scheming and falaffel gorging in hip London dens and can be seen taking the air by the Thames while discussing cross dressing and man bags and water projects in Africa are nothing short of stunned. Now that house in Tuscany and posing for pictures with actors and fact finding missions to Brussels (where they hoped to end up in their dotage - see Kinnock, Blair and others)..is on the line they are playing at naked survival politics and trying to rid themselves of the only person in the party who is still pretty close to the grass roots. Fair point but isn't Corbyn a bit Islington as well? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rayvin 5151 Posted June 29, 2016 Share Posted June 29, 2016 No election til 2020 so you've got a bit of breathing space. Â I won't be voting for them, so it makes no odds to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Park Life 71 Posted June 29, 2016 Share Posted June 29, 2016 (edited) Fair point but isn't Corbyn a bit Islington as well? He gets about more and does a hell of a lot of talking to normal people. Â nb Brussels and Cameron could have avoided this...He could have asked for a bit more and they should have seen the oncoming crisis and given him a bit more and together they could have spun a pretty good case. Brussels like all the failing centralizing architecture that has been consigned to history just thinks it's too big and knows best and people shouldn't have too much say on how things work cause they're all idiots and racists and nationalists etc...blah blah blah.. Edited June 29, 2016 by Park Life Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rayvin 5151 Posted June 29, 2016 Share Posted June 29, 2016 Cameron to Corybyn.  It might be in my party's interests for you to sit there, it's not in the country's. For heavens sake man go.  Wow... what a blow from Cameron. I mean, there's a part of me that thinks he can get to fuck since this entire crisis is his doing, but on the other hand Corbyn is now being told to leave by both Labour and the Tories  And the membership will just return him anyway How fucked Labour are... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Renton 21037 Posted June 29, 2016 Share Posted June 29, 2016 One positive should see HS2 scrapped. Why would it be scrapped and why would that be a positive? We need major investment in our infrastructure. I would have thought an engineer would appreciate this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Renton 21037 Posted June 29, 2016 Share Posted June 29, 2016 Fair point but isn't Corbyn a bit Islington as well? He's pro more immigration. I don't think many grass roots working class supporters will buy that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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