Renton 21599 Posted June 17, 2016 Share Posted June 17, 2016 Ok, can't find the original article but this covers it. It was the treasures own "worst case scenario" not the Bank of England. http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/05/23/eu-facts-would-a-vote-to-leave-the-eu-really-plunge-britain-into/ Don't forget to read the full article rather than your usual skim I've read the article and it doesn't cover it at all, nor is it that an unbiased source. Yet more Brexit lies. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christmas Tree 4725 Posted June 17, 2016 Author Share Posted June 17, 2016 I've read the article and it doesn't cover it at all, nor is it that an unbiased source. Yet more Brexit lies. "In the shock scenario, the recession is about as mild as possible". The source is the treasury. Btw, and I'm not saying I know a great deal about this, but does TTIP killing off the NHS not worry you if we stay in Europe? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NJS 4378 Posted June 17, 2016 Share Posted June 17, 2016 "In the shock scenario, the recession is about as mild as possible". The source is the treasury. Btw, and I'm not saying I know a great deal about this, but does TTIP killing off the NHS not worry you if we stay in Europe? Like Johnson won't sign that. (Might be a separate equivalent treaty but the idea is still ludicrous). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Gloom 21914 Posted June 17, 2016 Share Posted June 17, 2016 (edited) As far as rants go, this is top notch. A choice between the devil and deep Blue twat https://www.facebook.com/EvolvePolitics/videos/1701832670068673/ Edited June 17, 2016 by Dr Gloom Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christmas Tree 4725 Posted June 17, 2016 Author Share Posted June 17, 2016 Like Johnson won't sign that. (Might be a separate equivalent treaty but the idea is still ludicrous). First of all I think Boris has missed his chance of ever becoming PM. Secondly, by the time the UK got round to doing its own version of TTIP, Labour could be the government. If we leave, then I'm pretty sure protecting the NHS, particularly via TTIP, would need to be ingrained in any party's manifesto that wanted to win. Staying in the EU means we probably will have no way to prevent it happening. (If I understand it correctly). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gemmill 44838 Posted June 17, 2016 Share Posted June 17, 2016 Fucking hell man will you shut up? There's no way you should be allowed to vote. You're talking massive piles of shit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christmas Tree 4725 Posted June 17, 2016 Author Share Posted June 17, 2016 As far as rants go, this is top notch. A choice between the devil and deep Blue twat https://www.facebook.com/EvolvePolitics/videos/1701832670068673/ [emoji23][emoji23][emoji23] That's brilliant and sadly one of the most honest, informative things on the referendum so far Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christmas Tree 4725 Posted June 17, 2016 Author Share Posted June 17, 2016 Fucking hell man will you shut up? There's no way you should be allowed to vote. You're talking massive piles of shit. You know more about GOT than you do about politics. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Renton 21599 Posted June 17, 2016 Share Posted June 17, 2016 (edited) "In the shock scenario, the recession is about as mild as possible". The source is the treasury. Btw, and I'm not saying I know a great deal about this, but does TTIP killing off the NHS not worry you if we stay in Europe? That was the least bad scenario, and anyway, hasn't been taken verbatim from the report. I'm not going to take the Telegraphs second hand reporting as reliable. It's amazing out of all the economic forecasts available from the world's leading economic groups this is what you think is going to happen. Brexit cherry picking at its best, distort the best case forecast of a report and ignore everything else. Pure idiocy. As for TTIP and the NHS, I'm honest enough to say I don't know enough about it at the moment. Are you? What I do know though is that I wouldn't trust the NHS to survive a year with the Brexit cunts in charge. Every medical society is Remain. Every medical union is. Who do you trust? Edited June 17, 2016 by Renton Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NJS 4378 Posted June 17, 2016 Share Posted June 17, 2016 First of all I think Boris has missed his chance of ever becoming PM. Secondly, by the time the UK got round to doing its own version of TTIP, Labour could be the government. If we leave, then I'm pretty sure protecting the NHS, particularly via TTIP, would need to be ingrained in any party's manifesto that wanted to win. Staying in the EU means we probably will have no way to prevent it happening. (If I understand it correctly). Boris or any other brexiter - they're all cunts even by Tory standards. "No top down reorganisation pf the NHS" - followed by the Health and Patient care act which makes it a legal rquirement to tender all services - and that was by your cunt let alone Boris. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christmas Tree 4725 Posted June 17, 2016 Author Share Posted June 17, 2016 Boris or any other brexiter - they're all cunts even by Tory standards. "No top down reorganisation pf the NHS" - followed by the Health and Patient care act which makes it a legal rquirement to tender all services - and that was by your cunt let alone Boris. My point is pretty clear and isn't about Boris. In --- We're getting TTIP Out --- It will be up to a future, possibly Labour, government to decide. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gemmill 44838 Posted June 17, 2016 Share Posted June 17, 2016 The Tory government that you voted for supports TTIP ffs. You're a genuine disaster. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Renton 21599 Posted June 17, 2016 Share Posted June 17, 2016 My point is pretty clear and isn't about Boris. In --- We're getting TTIP Out --- It will be up to a future, possibly Labour, government to decide. Explain to me, in your own words, the implications of TTIP on the NHS? Bear in mind that pretty much all the EU has some kind of socialised health care system and will not be wanting to lose these. You know full well we're not getting a labour government for a decade or more btw. And if we're out of the EU, I think we'll be desperate for trade deals with the US which will likely be on worse terms than TTIP. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Gloom 21914 Posted June 17, 2016 Share Posted June 17, 2016 Kate Hoey making CT look good here Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christmas Tree 4725 Posted June 17, 2016 Author Share Posted June 17, 2016 The Tory government that you voted for supports TTIP ffs. You're a genuine disaster. I don't support everything a Tory government supports as is the same with most voters / party's. Honestly stick to TV shows. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gemmill 44838 Posted June 17, 2016 Share Posted June 17, 2016 You don't know what to think from one day to the next. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rayvin 5217 Posted June 17, 2016 Share Posted June 17, 2016 (edited) Woah hang on, I thought the French temporarily scuppered TTIP. It's on the ropes apparently. Not because we did anything, but because the French kicked it into touch. So actually CT, the EU may well be saving out bacon on that one. https://www.theguardian.com/business/2016/may/03/doubts-rise-over-ttip-as-france-threatens-to-block-eu-us-deal Edited June 17, 2016 by Rayvin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christmas Tree 4725 Posted June 17, 2016 Author Share Posted June 17, 2016 Explain to me, in your own words, the implications of TTIP on the NHS? Bear in mind that pretty much all the EU has some kind of socialised health care system and will not be wanting to lose these. You know full well we're not getting a labour government for a decade or more btw. And if we're out of the EU, I think we'll be desperate for trade deals with the US which will likely be on worse terms than TTIP. As I said to you three or four posts back, I don't know a great deal about it or its effects on the NHS other than what I have read tonight. That includes the leaked documents green peace have, Unites position on it making privatisation more likely and legally irreversible, Lord Owens comments on it, and that a member of the EU and a US TTIP representative would oversee it. This is why I asked your opinion on it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gemmill 44838 Posted June 17, 2016 Share Posted June 17, 2016 [emoji38] Remain: we WILL join TTIP. What would that mean? I HAVE NO FUCKING IDEA STOP ASKING ME. [emoji38] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christmas Tree 4725 Posted June 17, 2016 Author Share Posted June 17, 2016 Woah hang on, I thought the French temporarily scuppered TTIP. It's on the ropes apparently. Not because we did anything, but because the French kicked it into touch. So actually CT, the EU may well be saving out bacon on that one. https://www.theguardian.com/business/2016/may/03/doubts-rise-over-ttip-as-france-threatens-to-block-eu-us-deal The French have threatened to stall but you can be pretty sure it will be for reasons specific to them and once settled will happily play ball. It's when not if. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gemmill 44838 Posted June 17, 2016 Share Posted June 17, 2016 [emoji38] HERE IS ANOTHER DIRE WARNING ON A SUBJECT I CAN'T BEAR EVEN THE SLIGHTEST SCRUTINY ON. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rayvin 5217 Posted June 17, 2016 Share Posted June 17, 2016 The French have threatened to stall but you can be pretty sure it will be for reasons specific to them and once settled will happily play ball. It's when not if. It sounds to me like it's over unregulated free trade, compromising consumer standards and health and safety, not to mention agriculture. These are all things we would care about, are they not? This is why the EU works man, our interests are aligned... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rayvin 5217 Posted June 17, 2016 Share Posted June 17, 2016 (edited) I can't link to it cos I'm on my phone but marina Hyde has just put out an excellent article in the Guardian concerning Nigel Farage and his ascendency to the political crown we're about to give him... It's depressing or course, but worth a read. Edited June 17, 2016 by Rayvin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rayvin 5217 Posted June 17, 2016 Share Posted June 17, 2016 Washington has now released a statement setting out that the US ties to Britain will cool significantly if brexit occurs, given that our value to them is as a bridge into Europe. They have expressed deep concern about the developments and the weakening of a key ally (The EU). I know you don't care CT, but honestly, this is going to be a monumental fuck up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christmas Tree 4725 Posted June 17, 2016 Author Share Posted June 17, 2016 It sounds to me like it's over unregulated free trade, compromising consumer standards and health and safety, not to mention agriculture. These are all things we would care about, are they not? This is why the EU works man, our interests are aligned... It's about wine labelling and stopping geographical names like champagne, Chianti etc. The French will rightly put themselves first. At least if we are out, you get the chance to vote for a party who will protect the NHS when a uk / TTIP type deal comes along. As it stands, you have no say. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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