Europe --- In or Out

[ChezGiven 0]

Enter that for Eurovision this year.

[Dr Gloom 21921]

In only your father had pulled out.

 

[Christmas Tree 4725]

[Meenzer 15526]

That's the poll that previously had a 9% lead for LEAVE, so that's interesting - seems like Cameron's getting a healthy post-deal bounce both there and elsewhere, be curious to see if it lasts beyond the next wave of scare stories about brown people though.

[NJS 4383]

On that note I don't mind a reasoned debate from both sides but Duncan Smith should be shot with shit for his "exit will stop Paris style attacks" shite.

[ewerk 30609]

Has Corbyn said anything on the subject yet?

[Christmas Tree 4725]

Has Corbyn said anything on the subject yet?

He had a good ramble in the House of Commons the other day but he just struggles to hit home.

[Christmas Tree 4725]

I think the polls will mean little, just like the election. The average joe won't pay much attention til the last few weeks by which time the migrant journeys across the med and knock on chaos in Europe should be in full swing.

 

However as Murdoch is an inny, it will be interesting to see if all that gets much coverage this time.

 

If it does I expect an out vote.

[ewerk 30609]

The average joe won't pay much attention til the last few weeks by which time the migrant journeys across the med and knock on chaos in Europe should be in full swing.

 

 

Perhaps I'm missing the point altogether but how does the refugee crisis affect our membership of the EU? Given that we're an island and have fairly stringent border controls it's not like those granted asylum in a fellow EU country are going to be able to easily relocate here.

[Christmas Tree 4725]

 

Perhaps I'm missing the point altogether but how does the refugee crisis affect our membership of the EU? Given that we're an island and have fairly stringent border controls it's not like those granted asylum in a fellow EU country are going to be able to easily relocate here.

 

What has common sense got to do with the average joe?

 

Putting Tory voters aside (as we know they're fairly split), there's a lot of average Joe labour voters who will always vote labour in an election, but who probably share a lot of the little englander UKIP mindsets.

 

As I say, it all depends how the media plays it when it kicks off shortly.

[Renton 21622]

 

Perhaps I'm missing the point altogether but how does the refugee crisis affect our membership of the EU? Given that we're an island and have fairly stringent border controls it's not like those granted asylum in a fellow EU country are going to be able to easily relocate here.

The fear would be, and will be played on, is the refugees are granted EU citizenship in Germany or Sweden, and then will have free access to the UK.

[ewerk 30609]

I'd imagine that gaining citizenship would be a long and difficult path though and only granted to those with employment in those countries, the very people unlikely to be flooding our shores. Unfortunately that argument may be too complex or the average idiot with a vote.

[Rayvin 5222]

 

What has common sense got to do with the average joe?

 

Putting Tory voters aside (as we know they're fairly split), there's a lot of average Joe labour voters who will always vote labour in an election, but who probably share a lot of the little englander UKIP mindsets.

 

As I say, it all depends how the media plays it when it kicks off shortly.

I could swear you were playing down the impact of Murdoch and the right wing press during the election... What has suddenly made them more effective manipulators of public opinion, in your view?

[Christmas Tree 4725]

I could swear you were playing down the impact of Murdoch and the right wing press during the election... What has suddenly made them more effective manipulators of public opinion, in your view?

As I said above, most people are fairly set in their political allegiance so arnt swayed as much on those issues.

[Rayvin 5222]

If you say so. I personally feel they're extremely important on all manner of issues. I would also argue that people are 'fixed' in their position on the political spectrum because of 'fixed' agendas in the press...

 

But anyway, I actually agree that the press will dictate the outcome to this.

[Christmas Tree 4725]

If you say so. I personally feel they're extremely important on all manner of issues. I would also argue that people are 'fixed' in their position on the political spectrum because of 'fixed' agendas in the press...

 

But anyway, I actually agree that the press will dictate the outcome to this.

Put it this way. Take all of the Tory haters on here. Nothing Murdochs empire says is going to suddenly make Renton or NJS etc vote conservative.

 

With this referendum it's possible to put your party loyalty to one side and therefore be more swayed by the media.

[ewerk 30609]

He had a good ramble in the House of Commons the other day but he just struggles to hit home.

 

Cameron having a pop at his attire is the most publicity he's had all week.

[Meenzer 15526]

 

The stay campaign needs more of this kind of thing.

[ewerk 30609]

[ChezGiven 0]

Very good.

[Meenzer 15526]

 

This is how we'll all have to dress post-Brexit. YOU HAVE BEEN WARNED.

[Christmas Tree 4725]

I'm no clearer now than I was two months ago. Also lost interest. Going to leave it up to you chaps.

 

Good luck.

[ewerk 30609]

 

This is how we'll all have to dress post-Brexit. YOU HAVE BEEN WARNED.

 

Where's that picture of Gemmill as a knobbly kneed kid? He'd fit right in with that lot.

[Alex 35079]

You having another street party for this shite, CT?

[Gemmill 44872]

 

Where's that picture of Gemmill as a knobbly kneed kid? He'd fit right in with that lot.

I'm borderline royalty, hard to argue with that.