Christmas Tree 4725 Posted September 21, 2014 Share Posted September 21, 2014 biCTor clubspindoCTor. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Park Life 71 Posted September 21, 2014 Share Posted September 21, 2014 Right. He's gone to play some football basically - because Rudi Garcia isn't a complete idiot when it comes to management. If he was 6'4 he would have started every game under Pardew. This is basically it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aimaad22 4156 Posted September 22, 2014 Share Posted September 22, 2014 What good would it be lumping the ball up towards Mapou on our set pieces? Such an ungrateful unreasonable set of fans. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
essembeeofsunderland 811 Posted September 22, 2014 Share Posted September 22, 2014 Mbiwa was shit at fulback and shit in his prefered position in central defence.When it was clear he was shit in the centre,posters on here wanted him chosen as fulback.I questioned the reasoning why there should be a place for him at fulback but none came.When he was then shit at fulback,posters jumped to his defence and said he is not playing in his best positiion.In his best position he was shit,and as shit as i have ever seen in a black and white shirt.He couldn't win a header,he couldn't tackle,he was weak as piss when the game became physical,he couldn't read the game.He was total shit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
toonotl 2979 Posted September 22, 2014 Share Posted September 22, 2014 Watch him be Roma's best defender this season. The guy was simply not given time to settle into the side and as a result he's been labelled 'shit'. Now we've lost Colo's long term replacement and have to settle for starting the confirmed shit that is Mike Williamson in the meantime. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OTF 7295 Posted September 22, 2014 Share Posted September 22, 2014 clubspindoCTor. CunT Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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essembeeofsunderland 811 Posted September 22, 2014 Share Posted September 22, 2014 46 appearances in a black and white shirt to impress at fulback and central defence.I never saw anything in his game. Totally unsuitable for the Premier League.We have a stronger squad wirth him out of it.Williamson is a better central defender than Mbiwa.So were Glen Keeley and Kenny Mitchell.Scott and Bird.Burton and McNamee.Dabizas and Peacock.Barton and Howard.Marceleno and ........err maybe not Marceleno. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Fish 10857 Posted September 22, 2014 Share Posted September 22, 2014 If Pardew gets all the blame when a player comes from a different league and does shit, does he get all the praise when they do well? Debuchy, Cabaye, Cisse, Sissoko, Haidara, etc. Does that mean Pardew is an absolute genius when it comes to developing foreign talent? My feeling is that a lot of it depends on the player, and blaming Pardew for a Ligue 1 player not living up to the hype in the Premier League is a bit ridiculous. He played at CB and he was terrible (Everton game comes to mind). Loaning him out was stupid, but Pardew is not the lone reason he wasn't a good player for us. I would say that the players with true class (and I'd not say Haidara, Sissoko or Cisse deserve to be in the same bracket as Cabaye & Debuchy) have shown that despite Pardew's tactics they're quality players. It helps that he played through Cabaye but my point is that they were so obviously better than us even Pardew couldn't ruin them. Sissoko & Mbiwa, both came with good reputations and haven't kicked on under Pardew at all, it'd be reasonable to say that they've at best stagnated. Look at the players that have done well; Williamson, Perch, Colback ... They're limited players. Those that have stagnated are just better footballers than Pardew ever was. Keegan was able to get the best out of average players because he worked damned hard, he was that damned good. Pardew gets credit where it's due, but it's not due here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
essembeeofsunderland 811 Posted September 22, 2014 Share Posted September 22, 2014 Too many players these days couldn't give a toss.One big contract and they are set for life.We are giving players there first big-ish contract which will set them up for a comfortable life after football,even if they retire after their 5 year contract at £20,000 a week ends.Do our players really `hurt' after a defeat or simply get a shower and head on down to Osborne Road.Where are the players who are busting a gut for NUFC.Where are the crunching tackles to get the crowd worked up.Where is the chasing down of back passes to the opposition keeper.Where is the 90 mins of hustle and bustle.Where is the fuckin pride in wearing the black and white stripes of Newcastle United Footbal Club.Too many couldn't give a flying fuck about us,the team or the club. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Fish 10857 Posted September 22, 2014 Share Posted September 22, 2014 Too many players these days couldn't give a toss.One big contract and they are set for life.We are giving players there first big-ish contract which will set them up for a comfortable life after football,even if they retire after their 5 year contract at £20,000 a week ends.Do our players really `hurt' after a defeat or simply get a shower and head on down to Osborne Road.Where are the players who are busting a gut for NUFC.Where are the crunching tackles to get the crowd worked up.Where is the chasing down of back passes to the opposition keeper.Where is the 90 mins of hustle and bustle.Where is the fuckin pride in wearing the black and white stripes of Newcastle United Footbal Club.Too many couldn't give a flying fuck about us,the team or the club. What's any of that got to do with Mbiwa not being good enough? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tooj 17 Posted October 1, 2014 Share Posted October 1, 2014 Anybody see the Roma match last night? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ewerk 30610 Posted October 1, 2014 Share Posted October 1, 2014 It was one game you SMB! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Fish 10857 Posted October 1, 2014 Share Posted October 1, 2014 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
toonotl 2979 Posted October 1, 2014 Share Posted October 1, 2014 Looked good playing for a team ten times our calibre against a team a hundred times better than us in a competitive match the importance of which our lot can only imagine at. Not as good as Willo though ffs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scoobos 298 Posted October 1, 2014 Share Posted October 1, 2014 I'm pleased he's doing well, thought my judgement was shot to shit. I've watched him twice now and he's pretty solid. Another one wasted , such a shame. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Papavasilou 0 Posted October 4, 2014 Share Posted October 4, 2014 Were none of those complaining about Mbiwa not watching the Spurs game he bossed? He was unfairly dropped out of the team after a good run of games at that time because Colo was fit, and then told to play wherever he was needed across the back. The fault is with the manager not the player for destroying his confidence. If Pardew had had Philippe Albert, he would have made him stay back and kick the ball long. The man simply has no concept of matching individual ability to his imagined system. Never has had - hence Mascherano and Tevez being on the bench at West Ham. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Fish 10857 Posted October 5, 2014 Share Posted October 5, 2014 Sounds like we've agreed a £4m fee from Roma. Madness Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monroe Transfer 0 Posted October 5, 2014 Share Posted October 5, 2014 Couldn't we wait till the end of the season? I can't see his value dropping massively, more than likely it'd get higher. Good times for the guy himself though, couldn't have worked out much better given the circumstances. Playing in a good league, for a great Champions League club, with a manager who knows what he can do. Given his choices were stay with us or play for decent but not spectacular French clubs for much of the window, I'd say he's done alright for himself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil 6 Posted October 5, 2014 Share Posted October 5, 2014 (edited) Sounds like we've agreed a £4m fee from Roma. Madness That'll be on top of the loan fee, so we wont have lost too much. I thought the option to buy was included in the initial loan, so dont think we have done anything recently. Edited October 5, 2014 by Phil Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ken 119 Posted October 5, 2014 Share Posted October 5, 2014 Help me ObiWan Kenobi. You're my only hope. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil 6 Posted October 5, 2014 Share Posted October 5, 2014 Couldn't we wait till the end of the season? I can't see his value dropping massively, more than likely it'd get higher. Good times for the guy himself though, couldn't have worked out much better given the circumstances. Playing in a good league, for a great Champions League club, with a manager who knows what he can do. Given his choices were stay with us or play for decent but not spectacular French clubs for much of the window, I'd say he's done alright for himself. He could get injured - ACL etc... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Howmanheyman 33197 Posted October 5, 2014 Share Posted October 5, 2014 Ant, is this one a Mackem as well? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ewerk 30610 Posted October 5, 2014 Share Posted October 5, 2014 That'll be on top of the loan fee, so we wont have lost too much. I thought the option to buy was included in the initial loan, so dont think we have done anything recently. The loan fee was £1m and we're paying 80% of his wages. I'd say we've made a fair loss on him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
toonotl 2979 Posted October 5, 2014 Share Posted October 5, 2014 Colossal fuck up losing him for that amount. It didn't take Roma long to realize that they were picking our pocket getting him for 4mill. What a joke of a club we are. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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