trophyshy 7095 Posted January 17, 2013 Share Posted January 17, 2013 Having a new eCommerce website built soon and just researching options, I recall there may be one or two in the biz on here. So far have had quotes ranging from £1k to £3.5k. Met a company today and they started at £10k. They waited until an hour of my patter to tell me this. £10k, it's only some virtual ones and zeros man! Anyone on here had anything like this built and what did you pay? Any other advice appreciated. I don't want to do it myself in Wordpress as I'm impatient as all fuck and it needs to look professional, obviously. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monroe Transfer 0 Posted January 17, 2013 Share Posted January 17, 2013 Ant will knock you up a site for a packet of salt and vinegar Kettle Chips. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Fish 11068 Posted January 17, 2013 Share Posted January 17, 2013 Ant will knock you up a site for a packet of salt and vinegar Kettle Chips. But God help you if you fall foul of his temper. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil 6 Posted January 18, 2013 Share Posted January 18, 2013 1k to 3.5k is about right. But it vastly depends on how many non-standard changes you want (i.e. from a shopping cart/single payment gateway). An hour of patter sounds like a lot of things for them to do. Everyone in the business will disagree, but it's a fact that coders cant design and designers cant code. So I always look to get them done separately or at the very least ensure the company has both. A good UK designer will charge around 1k, but make sure to look at his portfolio. You can save a bit by using sites like 99 Designs or Theme Forest, but make sure the coder can work with what they come up with. If it's just a bog standard shopping cart or single payment gateway, you could easily source your own hosting, buy a template on Theme Forest and have a go yourself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trophyshy 7095 Posted January 18, 2013 Author Share Posted January 18, 2013 Thanks Phil, very helpful. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ruler of Planet Houston 1 Posted January 18, 2013 Share Posted January 18, 2013 (edited) it is a simple fact of you get what you pay for. If you are quoted 10k then there will be 10k worth of man hours going into it and likewise with 1k. Prices can vary from one to the other easily depending on your requirements but a good designer/developer should be able to gauge your ROI possibilities and your budget by speaking to you for 30 minutes. It's really easy to tell the difference between someone who wants a website that sells stuff to see if they make owt back, and someone that has a solid business or business plan and wants a specific goal and profit to be met. The former would normally open his line of questioning with "how much will a website cost me, mate?" and the latter may ask "Could we arrange a meeting to discuss a new website for my business?" and he'll turn up with a few folders full of plans and information...they be the ones I like and usually work with For the record, my average ecommerce sites seem to be around the 4-5k mark but I do the occasional cheaper one for those that just insist their site should have a 'payment button' on it And yes, I strongly disagree with this statement "Everyone in the business will disagree, but it's a fact that coders cant design and designers cant code.". Point me in the direction of the source of this factual data and I will admit I am wrong, otherwise state that it is only your opinion. This old chestnut actually came about through ignorance, blinkered views and bitter rivalry and jealousy between the two skills. It is entirely possible to be extremely good (or bloody amazing) at more than one skill or trade especially when they are related. I'm sure most of you know people who make a living and are top of their field in one profession but could easily outplay some famous musicians although totally unrelated to their day job? Same thing! I personally have always been into art, started as a graphic designer, always dabbled in programming and now do both continuosly and interweaved on a daily basis (which takes over most of my life). My clients usually come to me initially based on my designs and are always extremely satisfied with my solid programming - I have also been offered (and had) senior positions in both fields. That is my source for my educated opinion anyhoo! Edited January 18, 2013 by Ruler of Planet Houston Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil 6 Posted January 18, 2013 Share Posted January 18, 2013 A good designer wouldn't have allowed two style sheets. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trophyshy 7095 Posted January 18, 2013 Author Share Posted January 18, 2013 What have I done? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil 6 Posted January 18, 2013 Share Posted January 18, 2013 it is a simple fact of you get what you pay for. If you are quoted 10k then there will be 10k worth of man hours going into it and likewise with 1k. Prices can vary from one to the other easily depending on your requirements but a good designer/developer should be able to gauge your ROI possibilities and your budget by speaking to you for 30 minutes. It's really easy to tell the difference between someone who wants a website that sells stuff to see if they make owt back, and someone that has a solid business or business plan and wants a specific goal and profit to be met. The former would normally open his line of questioning with "how much will a website cost me, mate?" and the latter may ask "Could we arrange a meeting to discuss a new website for my business?" and he'll turn up with a few folders full of plans and information...they be the ones I like and usually work with For the record, my average ecommerce sites seem to be around the 4-5k mark but I do the occasional cheaper one for those that just insist their site should have a 'payment button' on it And yes, I strongly disagree with this statement "Everyone in the business will disagree, but it's a fact that coders cant design and designers cant code.". Point me in the direction of the source of this factual data and I will admit I am wrong, otherwise state that it is only your opinion. This old chestnut actually came about through ignorance, blinkered views and bitter rivalry and jealousy between the two skills. It is entirely possible to be extremely good (or bloody amazing) at more than one skill or trade especially when they are related. I'm sure most of you know people who make a living and are top of their field in one profession but could easily outplay some famous musicians although totally unrelated to their day job? Same thing! I personally have always been into art, started as a graphic designer, always dabbled in programming and now do both continuosly and interweaved on a daily basis (which takes over most of my life). My clients usually come to me initially based on my designs and are always extremely satisfied with my solid programming - I have also been offered (and had) senior positions in both fields. That is my source for my educated opinion anyhoo! See the example above. I've not studied psychology, but the phrase left and right side of the brain springs to mind. One is creative (art) and the other is critical (science) I think (and might be wrong) this is why degrees are BSc and BA. Need more facts? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trophyshy 7095 Posted January 18, 2013 Author Share Posted January 18, 2013 Whoever wins this argument wins the contract! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Fish 11068 Posted January 18, 2013 Share Posted January 18, 2013 NERD FIGHT! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ruler of Planet Houston 1 Posted January 18, 2013 Share Posted January 18, 2013 (edited) See the example above. I've not studied psychology, but the phrase left and right side of the brain springs to mind. One is creative (art) and the other is critical (science) I think (and might be wrong) this is why degrees are BSc and BA. Need more facts? I did study psychology And the left brain / right brain shit is mostly just that...shit! Old overruled theory. People that use both sides together are usually good at a lot of things including puzzles and problem solving (as in programming). If people had isolated either left or right of their brain they would be, delicately put, "backward". Also, the typical mistake most wannabe designers (those that downloaded photoshop and a keygen) make is that they think they are a designer because they are good at art. Art is not design. Design is much more closely related to the careful planning and theoretical mind of a programmer whereby a design is about 95% to do with function and meeting a goal, the other 5% is the arty fluff added to pretty it up a bit. The main work in the design process is in the wireframing, research and colour theory etc... Drawing a fancy pattern is just usually client-satisfying fluff! Edited January 18, 2013 by Ruler of Planet Houston Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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