Alex 35588 Posted January 5, 2013 Share Posted January 5, 2013 Again a decent wage is half the story - what about a decent transfer budget and a decent wage budget for the team? (before you start name calling CT - take into account the fact that Pardew earns less than Nile Ranger) That's another thing. I've never said no one would take the job, loads of people would, but to be prepared to work under the circumstances here and on the sort of wage Pardew is on, well, you're fishing in a small pond in terms of quality. You'd have to get lucky with someone because to take Martinez for example (who I would have in a shot), he turned down 6x what Pardew is on when he decided not to go to Villa. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom 14013 Posted January 5, 2013 Share Posted January 5, 2013 G. Will work under various media restrictions dictated by ''the board''. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom 14013 Posted January 5, 2013 Share Posted January 5, 2013 That's another thing. I've never said no one would take the job, loads of people would, but to be prepared to work under the circumstances here and on the sort of wage Pardew is on, well, you're fishing in a small pond in terms of quality. You'd have to get lucky with someone because to take Martinez for example (who I would have in a shot), he turned down 6x what Pardew is on when he decided not to go to Villa. and even more when he decided not to go to Liverpool. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Kelly 1260 Posted January 5, 2013 Share Posted January 5, 2013 That was embarrassing. We look like a beaten club at the moment. We desperately need a few players back and a couple of good signings or we'll be totally relying on teams below us fucking up worse than us. And they all look like they have more about them at the moment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ally 0 Posted January 5, 2013 Share Posted January 5, 2013 I like Pardew but when all the injured players come back and we are still shit and losing, he will have run out off excuses and be in serious shit. This whole thing reminds me too much of Souness blaming injuries all the time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex 35588 Posted January 5, 2013 Share Posted January 5, 2013 and even more when he decided not to go to Liverpool. Someone like Laudrup will definitely be on loads more than Pardew too. Is there a lower paid manager in the league? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom 14013 Posted January 5, 2013 Share Posted January 5, 2013 I'm not sure but I think Laudrup will probably have a greater transfer budget too and evidently just as good a scouting team. O'Neill - who is a poor manager - gets about 6 x what Pardew does. Even Moyes takes £3m a year from ''poor little Everton with no money'' Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
@yourservice 67 Posted January 5, 2013 Share Posted January 5, 2013 I like Pardew but when all the injured players come back and we are still shit and losing, he will have run out off excuses and be in serious shit. This whole thing reminds me too much of Souness blaming injuries all the time. That's what is gonna happen, isn't it. It's just not happening for this club is it and never will by the looks of it. It might not be too bad if we just concede and try to come to terms with being a championship club. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trophyshy 7084 Posted January 5, 2013 Share Posted January 5, 2013 That's what is gonna happen, isn't it. It's just not happening for this club is it and never will by the looks of it. It might not be too bad if we just concede and try to come to terms with being a championship club. That Championship season was a good laugh, can we win that every year and just opt out of the promotion bit? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChezGiven 0 Posted January 5, 2013 Share Posted January 5, 2013 We had a far better side when we were in the championship and still struggled away from home against teams in 9th. Sammy and Obertan were total shite today, Bigi Santon and Anita were the only players on the pitch who could even threaten the starting 11 of a premiership side and even they were indifferent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom 14013 Posted January 5, 2013 Share Posted January 5, 2013 Sammy looked like he was getting bullied before he even got a touch of the ball. He looked scared like he was going to cry. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex 35588 Posted January 5, 2013 Share Posted January 5, 2013 I would only want him gone if it was an upgrade, not a caretaker etc and certainly not a back of a fag packet job. Happy for Pardew to have the same money but a resignation would save the club the circus aspect. I appreciate that Ashley watches the pennies, however Im sure he would pay a decent wage for the right person. Finding that right person though is no mean task and Im not even sure where most clubs begin. Its usually a case of appoint one of the merry go round boys, (Hughes, Bruce Oneill etc), a young up and coming wanabee or a foreign gamble. I would much rather continue with Pardew than a caretaker or a mistake, but I would also like to think that in the same way Ashley used Graham Carr to sort the Cabayes to replace the Nolans, he can also find a similar person to replace Pardew. The next manager of Newcastle United is already out there, its just a case of timing now. You know, and I said this at the time, i.e. when he got the bullet, I think we stumbled on a potentially great NUFC manager in Chris Hughton. The players loved him, the fans loved him and he was a class act. I don't see Ashley getting that lucky again somehow. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom 14013 Posted January 5, 2013 Share Posted January 5, 2013 I think if Hughton was a bit more assertive - or on the other side of that coin - the ''board'' or Mike & Derek as they're known gave him a little more freedom it would have been a better tenure. Never perfect & sometimes tactically poor but a good manager non the less and he got them playing for fun - not thinking about the attacking play too much but letting players play. (For clarity - not overthinking the attack - not being defensive) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StellarStripes 0 Posted January 5, 2013 Share Posted January 5, 2013 Having Taylor, Cabaye and Ben Arfa back WILL make a huge difference. I think Anita would do quite well alongside Yohan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChezGiven 0 Posted January 5, 2013 Share Posted January 5, 2013 And Colo, Cissé, Marveaux, Debuchy and another striker (here's hoping). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2bias 3 Posted January 5, 2013 Share Posted January 5, 2013 I think Pardew going would be disastrous. He has shown what he can do when he has a fully fit side and you can only do so much with the players at your disposal. When that whistle goes it's up to the players on that pitch to shine and earn their money, blaming the manager is absolutely ridiculous and if Pardew was to go I feel we would only go backwards as a club and get relegated for sure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christmas Tree 4831 Posted January 5, 2013 Author Share Posted January 5, 2013 CT -try and at least contradict me before name calling. Have a think about things. As usual Tom, you start, I follow. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom 14013 Posted January 5, 2013 Share Posted January 5, 2013 There's an entire page on the manager debacle in which you've been contradicated or did you miss that? Go on - follow. Why would a manager work under the mentioned restrictions - let alone a good one. You're just trying to pull away from the debate rather than contribute. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christmas Tree 4831 Posted January 5, 2013 Author Share Posted January 5, 2013 See the last three managers I mentioned. Look at the coaching staff. It's pretty inexperience and lightweight to say the least. Also safe to say they're not on a lot wages-wise. What makes you think he's prepared to pay the going rate to get an upgrade? It's pie in the sky stuff tbh. The club's run on a shoestring in management / coaching terms. Graham Carr's not on a lot either. In fact if you look at him, Stone and Carver, I would guess they're reasonably happy to be working for their home town club and living in the area which makes up for the wage a bit. I also don't think, Carr apart, they'd get a job in the Premier League for another club anyway. I think you have to step back and look at the way the club has / is being run and spot the very large learning curve that has and is going on. At the end of last year, virtually everybody was frothing about the Newcastle blue print. Wiping our mouth, to use that horrible phrase, Graham Carr unearthing gems and paying decent wages for players like Cabaye, Ben Arfa, Tiote etc not silly wages as had prevailed for has beens. Last summer let them down as it was without doubt the time to bolster the squad. Ashley probably thought adding a few young' uns, Anita and most importantly not selling anyone would allow him to continue the policy of not panic buying and waiting for the right man. (Debuchy as Cisse before him). Again that lesson seems to have be learnt as we see Debuchy arrive as the window opens and a delegation in France trying to complete further deals. This learning curve will continue as long as Ashley owns the club, however as I mentioned before, trying to get the right manager must be a bastard of a job, particularly as big money doesnt guarantee a good manager. The over riding point should be whether you think Pardew is good enough? I thought he was last year and quite happily admit I was wrong. He talks a good game, was blessed with decent players and good fortune and we did well. This season he has made far too many mistakes for me and seems unable to get out of the hole he is in. If he's not good enough then an upgrade is required. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom 14013 Posted January 5, 2013 Share Posted January 5, 2013 At the end of last year, virtually everybody was frothing about the Newcastle blue print. Wiping our mouth, to use that horrible phrase, Graham Carr unearthing gems and paying decent wages for players like Cabaye, Ben Arfa, Tiote etc not silly wages as had prevailed for has beens. People were also twisting at the lack of a striker, full back and centre half at the end of the summer window. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christmas Tree 4831 Posted January 5, 2013 Author Share Posted January 5, 2013 Again a decent wage is half the story - what about a decent transfer budget and a decent wage budget for the team? (before you start name calling CT - take into account the fact that Pardew earns less than Nile Ranger) Load of managers will love working with Tiote, Ben Arfa, Cabaye, Debuchy, Coloccini, Cisse, Ba etc..... all arriving under Ashley. If you dont like name calling, stop dragging me into all of your post. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChezGiven 0 Posted January 5, 2013 Share Posted January 5, 2013 I can't see how anyone looking at Perch, Williamson, Tavernier, Obertan, Shola, Sammy and Abeid all starting together for a premiership team could possibly point to the manager as the problem. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christmas Tree 4831 Posted January 5, 2013 Author Share Posted January 5, 2013 I like Pardew but when all the injured players come back and we are still shit and losing, he will have run out off excuses and be in serious shit. This whole thing reminds me too much of Souness blaming injuries all the time. Him and his tactics were poor at the start of the season, "judge me after 10 games", long before he could blame injuries or Europe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex 35588 Posted January 5, 2013 Share Posted January 5, 2013 (edited) I would say, CT, at the risk of repeating myself, that the overriding point is whether we could get anyone better than Pardew willing to work under the constraints at the club. Or to put it another way, can the owner attract anyone better. We'll see, I remain unconvinced him and Dekka know anything about football. Same goes for you Edited January 5, 2013 by Alex Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom 14013 Posted January 5, 2013 Share Posted January 5, 2013 Load of managers will love working with Tiote, Ben Arfa, Cabaye, Debuchy, Coloccini, Cisse, Ba etc..... all arriving under Ashley. If you dont like name calling, stop dragging me into all of your post. Loads of managers? You pluralise but you can't name one? Not many managers would want to work under Ashley's regime - which has 11 ''purple players'' but no squad, a tiny transfer budget, a low wage budget & offers a poor salary. Not to mention the media sanctions imposed by the club. This manager also has to be better than Pardew. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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