OTF 7280 Posted January 2, 2013 Share Posted January 2, 2013 Assists can be a very misleading statistic IMO, could set it up on a platter for someone and if they don't score there's obviously no assist. The other way round a mundane sideways pass can become an assist if someone then creates something out of nothing or hits a belter of a shot. Better comparison is actually watching. Ben Arfa is vastly superior to Marveaux from what I have seen - in every way. I'd have Ben Arfa as one of the five best players in the league in terms of ability and technique. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christmas Tree 4711 Posted January 2, 2013 Author Share Posted January 2, 2013 Ignorance is bliss eh mate. Crikey! As are stereo types you Kangaroo shagging, fosters swilling, thieving ......... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christmas Tree 4711 Posted January 2, 2013 Author Share Posted January 2, 2013 Quite funny how this has been turned into a straw argument of Ben Arfa is a better footballer than Marveaux, even though nobody has disputed that Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Face 29 Posted January 2, 2013 Share Posted January 2, 2013 Obertan better than Hazard shocker!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Fish 10779 Posted January 2, 2013 Share Posted January 2, 2013 No, you are trying to be clever and failing. Both players are in my team, Ben Arfa playing where he ALWAYS PLAYS. How does me choosing to play Ben Arfa where he ALWAYS PLAYS mean I know "fuck all about football"? A simple answer will do Ok, I'll try again. Hatem Ben Arfa's preferred position is the number 10 role that you have Marveaux playing. You've put Marveaux there despite his preferred position being wide left. It's akin to playing Jonas in the middle. Ben Arfa has played in that position because we've nobody better to play out wide and the tactics employed mean we can't accommodate him in the centre at the moment. If we had Bale on the left and Valencia wide right we would employ Ben Arfa through the middle. Unfortunately we have Obertan (who's improved as of late, but still isn't a better option than Ben Arfa on the right hand side.) or Marveaux (who while shows signs of being a tidy player isn't a better option than Ben Arfa on the right hand side.) Krul Debuchy--- Taylor ---Colo -----Santon Tiote Anita Cabaye HBA-------------Obertan Ba Or Krul Taylor Colo Debuchy ----Tiote---- Santon Anita Cabaye HBA Cisse Ba Do you understand now? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OTF 7280 Posted January 2, 2013 Share Posted January 2, 2013 It's straw man argument. I don't mind CTs formation except I'd have Ba up top and would allow HBA to roam in behind with Cabaye not so deep. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OTF 7280 Posted January 2, 2013 Share Posted January 2, 2013 The caveat to my former post being that it could well differ depending on the opponent and ground. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christmas Tree 4711 Posted January 2, 2013 Author Share Posted January 2, 2013 Obertan better than Hazard shocker!! Couldnt you find a straight forward table for last season showing assists? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Face 29 Posted January 2, 2013 Share Posted January 2, 2013 Couldnt you find a straight forward table for last season showing assists? For what purpose? Thought you wanted to compare marveux with other assist providers this year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christmas Tree 4711 Posted January 2, 2013 Author Share Posted January 2, 2013 Ok, I'll try again. Hatem Ben Arfa's preferred position is the number 10 role that you have Marveaux playing. You've put Marveaux there despite his preferred position being wide left. It's akin to playing Jonas in the middle. Ben Arfa has played in that position because we've nobody better to play out wide and the tactics employed mean we can't accommodate him in the centre at the moment. If we had Bale on the left and Valencia wide right we would employ Ben Arfa through the middle. Unfortunately we have Obertan (who's improved as of late, but still isn't a better option than Ben Arfa on the right hand side.) or Marveaux (who while shows signs of being a tidy player isn't a better option than Ben Arfa on the right hand side.) Krul Debuchy--- Taylor ---Colo -----Santon Tiote Anita Cabaye HBA-------------Obertan Ba Or Krul Taylor Colo Debuchy ----Tiote---- Santon Anita Cabaye HBA Cisse Ba Do you understand now? Very nice, but not the question I asked? Want to try again or get some sleep? The question was? How does me choosing to play Ben Arfa where he ALWAYS PLAYS mean I know "fuck all about football"? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christmas Tree 4711 Posted January 2, 2013 Author Share Posted January 2, 2013 For what purpose? Thought you wanted to compare marveux with other assist providers this year. No, I was trying to get an idea (learn) of what a decent return of assists was from a good player in a normal football year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OTF 7280 Posted January 2, 2013 Share Posted January 2, 2013 You knowing fuck all about football is beyond dispute. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christmas Tree 4711 Posted January 2, 2013 Author Share Posted January 2, 2013 You knowing fuck all about football is beyond dispute. So you keep saying but not backing up Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Fish 10779 Posted January 2, 2013 Share Posted January 2, 2013 How does me choosing to play Ben Arfa where he ALWAYS PLAYS mean I know "fuck all about football"? It, on it's own, does not. However that accompanied with a whole heap of other evidence does. You make decisions based on gut instinct, not consideration. You insisted that dropping Jonas and playing Ferguson would be the answer. Then it's Marveaux's turn in the cross hairs of your affection. Soon it will be Streete despite you knowing nothing about him, beyond the praise you've read somewhere else. Tavernier is closer to the 1st team than Streete and yet you don't mention him at all. Now, want to try again or continue looking like a stroppy cunt? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christmas Tree 4711 Posted January 2, 2013 Author Share Posted January 2, 2013 It, on it's own, does not. As I thought You can have a too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OTF 7280 Posted January 2, 2013 Share Posted January 2, 2013 So you keep saying but not backing up There's a catalogue of evidence across the forum, just looks for the posts directly under your avatar. I've said all I'm going to on the matter in this instance, so enjoy your final swing knowing there will be no rebuttal Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Fish 10779 Posted January 2, 2013 Share Posted January 2, 2013 No, I was trying to get an idea (learn) of what a decent return of assists was from a good player in a normal football year. Can we narrow it down? Players for teams in Europe may end the season with more assists by virtue of having more opportunities against weaker opposition, conversely they may not because they don't play as often as players in relegation struggling sides. Teams like Stoke prefer to play a settled side and so Etherington would do well in the assist column, but Nasri (say) may not because he hasn't played as many minutes in the Premier League? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Face 29 Posted January 2, 2013 Share Posted January 2, 2013 No, I was trying to get an idea (learn) of what a decent return of assists was from a good player in a normal football year. http://www.statbunker.com/football/btb/index.php?PL=competition&CompID=373&statType=assist Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Fish 10779 Posted January 2, 2013 Share Posted January 2, 2013 As I thought You can have a too. Please show me where I did? You're becoming Leazes man Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaddockLad 17124 Posted January 2, 2013 Share Posted January 2, 2013 Its the same 4231 formation we've been playing in most of our recent games Krul Simpson Williamson Coloccini Santon Tiote Bigi Cisse Marveaux Obertan Ba I just changed the personnel. Krul Debuchy Taylor Coloccini Santon Tiote Cabaye HBA Marveaux Ba Cisse Dont we play 433? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christmas Tree 4711 Posted January 2, 2013 Author Share Posted January 2, 2013 There's a catalogue of evidence across the forum, just looks for the posts directly under your avatar. I've said all I'm going to on the matter in this instance, so enjoy your final swing knowing there will be no rebuttal I will thanks. I'll even fill in the answers for you. Q. When in 4 years have I ever claimed to know loads about football? A. Never Q. As a Newcastle season ticket holder, do I have an opinion on Newcastle? A. Yes Q. In a thread asking you to "Pick your favourite Team", is my team so off the wall? A. No Q. After saying there were so many ways to point out I was wrong, how many did you describe? A. None. Q. Which one of us has acted the clever twat in this thread? A. You Q. Why do grown men feel the need to act like little girls on the net? A. ??? A few of these just in case Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christmas Tree 4711 Posted January 2, 2013 Author Share Posted January 2, 2013 http://www.statbunke...statType=assist Cheers HF thats very interesting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christmas Tree 4711 Posted January 2, 2013 Author Share Posted January 2, 2013 Dont we play 433? According to the club, we play 4231 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Fish 10779 Posted January 2, 2013 Share Posted January 2, 2013 http://www.statbunke...statType=assist Cheers HF thats very interesting. Thanks HF, that's complete gobbledygook to me /Translation Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christmas Tree 4711 Posted January 2, 2013 Author Share Posted January 2, 2013 Somebody's a grumpy gus/gut after starting his no pie new year diet Im actually not as it happens. (And the diet doesnt start til Monday). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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