Gemmill 46089 Posted February 6, 2013 Share Posted February 6, 2013 Parky, Gemmil, what was the service like? Long. And they had done an abbreviated version to account for the fact that they had a lot of Caucasians attending. And it was odd because people just seemed to come and go as they pleased and it wasn't frowned upon, presumably it's accepted because of the length. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Fish 10972 Posted February 6, 2013 Share Posted February 6, 2013 Long. And they had done an abbreviated version to account for the fact that they had a lot of Caucasians attending. And it was odd because people just seemed to come and go as they pleased and it wasn't frowned upon, presumably it's accepted because of the length. I'd probably have fucked off for a bit then. You just reminded me, I was at a mates wedding, but because of a girl being useless four of us missed 5 minutes of the photo bit at the beginning of the reception. She was nearly in tears saying that she had ruined their day. She wasn't related, she wasn't doing a reading, she wasn't maid of honour, she didn't even go on the fucking hen-do, but somehow, in some way, her 5 minute absence would ruin the day. Women man, they're fucking mental. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Craig 6700 Posted February 6, 2013 Share Posted February 6, 2013 Craig, I really don't know much about the transgender community but wouldn't your sister be 'labelled' as being gay? i.e. she's now a female who is sexually attracted to other women? I know that putting people in boxes is of no benefit, it's just that you objected to it being called the gay marriage bill so I'm curious. Very good question and one of the one's I touched during the various conversations I had with her - welll I asked about sexual attraction. She is not, nor ever has been attracted to males. That said, she says that she doesn't find someone of female gender generally more attractive than male - as someone considered either hetrosexual (attracted to the opposite sex) or homosexual (attracted to the same sex). She is attracted only to the woman she married, when she was a man 20 years ago. It is, if you like, a case of 'true' love. Which is what makes it all the more tragic IMO that the law currently forces them to divorce.The scenario being widely reported is two single people of the same sex wishing to marry - there's little report of the current forced divorce of already married couples who are already undergoing unbelievable amounts of stress on their families. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gemmill 46089 Posted February 6, 2013 Share Posted February 6, 2013 Are they gonna remarry? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Fish 10972 Posted February 6, 2013 Share Posted February 6, 2013 Are they gonna remarry? If they do, they should get the MPs who voted against it, to foot the bill. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Craig 6700 Posted February 6, 2013 Share Posted February 6, 2013 Are they gonna remarry? Sounds daft but they're yet to receive the official demand to divorce yet. Think they're hoping that the bill will be passed before they do! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Fish 10972 Posted February 6, 2013 Share Posted February 6, 2013 Sounds daft but they're yet to receive the official demand to divorce yet. Think they're hoping that the bill will be passed before they do! Do I need to buy a hat? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Craig 6700 Posted February 6, 2013 Share Posted February 6, 2013 With how easily your spam burns, I'd recommend it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gemmill 46089 Posted February 6, 2013 Share Posted February 6, 2013 Sounds daft but they're yet to receive the official demand to divorce yet. Think they're hoping that the bill will be passed before they do! I'll admit I was trying to set up a slightly risky stag do or hen do joke, but you've ruined it/saved my bacon (delete as appropriate). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gejon 2 Posted February 6, 2013 Share Posted February 6, 2013 That law sounds utterly ridiculous Craig but it's good he has a supportive wife and brother behind him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Face 29 Posted February 6, 2013 Share Posted February 6, 2013 That law sounds utterly ridiculous Craig but it's good she has a supportive wife and brother behind her. FYP Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gejon 2 Posted February 6, 2013 Share Posted February 6, 2013 Sorry Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sniffer 0 Posted February 6, 2013 Share Posted February 6, 2013 How did the wife's family take it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ally 0 Posted February 7, 2013 Share Posted February 7, 2013 Interesting debate this. We've had something similar in our family. My wife's Grandma died about a year ago (quite young at 60) and her Grandad was really lonely afterwards. He made friends with a transgender guy called Mark who likes to be known as Kate. This friendship has now developed to the point where him and Kate are a couple. His son (my father in law) now refuses to talk to him saying he's disrespecting his Mum's memory etc. all really sad, especially as he is so much happier now to have some company and quality of life again. Kate is really nice and whilst not the most convincing looking woman you can't help but be pleased for them, just a shame it's driven a massive rift through the family. Bloody inlaws!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kevin Carr's Gloves 3982 Posted February 7, 2013 Share Posted February 7, 2013 I see the most crooked MP in Westminster Michael McCann of my very own East Kilbride voted in favour of bigotry. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andrew 4872 Posted February 7, 2013 Share Posted February 7, 2013 I see the most crooked MP in Westminster Michael McCann of my very own East Kilbride voted in favour of bigotry. So did Gordon birtwistle my "representative" one of only 4 lib dems to do so apparently. My opinion of him couldn't have been much worse anyway mind you Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trophyshy 7084 Posted February 7, 2013 Share Posted February 7, 2013 Interesting debate this. We've had something similar in our family. My wife's Grandma died about a year ago (quite young at 60) and her Grandad was really lonely afterwards. He made friends with a transgender guy called Mark who likes to be known as Kate. This friendship has now developed to the point where him and Kate are a couple. His son (my father in law) now refuses to talk to him saying he's disrespecting his Mum's memory etc. all really sad, especially as he is so much happier now to have some company and quality of life again. Kate is really nice and whilst not the most convincing looking woman you can't help but be pleased for them, just a shame it's driven a massive rift through the family. Interesting tale, my uncle lost his wife of 40 years very suddenly in 2008 and has since then commenced a long term relationship with a man. He tried to be with other women but they just could not live up to his wife and he still wanted intimate companionship. My take on it is he's always been bisexual but had no need or desire to explore that side of life when he was happy with his wife. It has caused some ripples in the family but I'm just pleased to see he's relatively happy after such tragedy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Craig 6700 Posted February 7, 2013 Share Posted February 7, 2013 Just to add to this from a Transgender perspective: In 2004, the Gender Recognition Act was passed. It allows people to change their legal gender. As gender discrimination is being removed (e.g., insurance premiums, retirement ages) this is becoming less important. However, some things are likely to remain (e.g., which prison should you get sent to should you get in trouble with the law, and - pertinently - who you can marry). The original draft allowed existing marriages to stand. However, following intense lobbying by some conservative evangelical Christian groups, this dispensation was removed before the act was passed. So since 2004 the situation has been murky for those who are married. They are supposed to get divorced as part of the procedure. The Government tried to be helpful by introducing a fast-track-to-Civil-Partnership procedure: they can arrange for you to have your decree absolute and then sign your Civil Partnership on the same day. Some couples have done this, but most have simply refused to co-operate with the authorities. The result is that the trans person ends up in a gender limbo. Their legal gender is unchanged, but their social gender does change. Birth certificate says one thing; passport says another. It is a workable solution but it is unsatisfactory. Partly because of the prison issue (a male prison is no place for any women, never mind a woman with an unusual issue), but mainly because anyone can request a copy of your birth certificate and uncover your past. The new legislation - if passed - would sweep this away. A person could change my legal gender, and stay married. There are several hurdles still to go, and the conservative evangelical Christians will fight at every stage. Sniffer - I don't see how your question is at all relevant to the topic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ewerk 31228 Posted February 7, 2013 Share Posted February 7, 2013 (edited) The problem was that it affected such a small number of people that the politicians didn't really care about standing up for people such as your sister. Good to see that they're finally getting their act together. Edited February 7, 2013 by ewerk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NJS 4411 Posted February 7, 2013 Share Posted February 7, 2013 The problem was that it affected such a small number of people that the politicians didn't really care about standing up for people such as your sister. Good to see that they're finally getting their act together. Enough for the evangelicals to care - they must have a lot of hate to go round. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Craig 6700 Posted February 7, 2013 Share Posted February 7, 2013 Enough for the evangelicals to care - they must have a lot of hate to go round. Funny you should say that, my sister is works with a woman who is an practicing evangelical. She's apparently livid that the law prevents her from voicing her disproval of my sister's actions and claims that it infringes her own human rights. If she makes any comment at all, it's considered 'gross misconduct' under EU law and she'll be fired. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sniffer 0 Posted February 7, 2013 Share Posted February 7, 2013 Just to add to this from a Transgender perspective: In 2004, the Gender Recognition Act was passed. It allows people to change their legal gender. As gender discrimination is being removed (e.g., insurance premiums, retirement ages) this is becoming less important. However, some things are likely to remain (e.g., which prison should you get sent to should you get in trouble with the law, and - pertinently - who you can marry). The original draft allowed existing marriages to stand. However, following intense lobbying by some conservative evangelical Christian groups, this dispensation was removed before the act was passed. So since 2004 the situation has been murky for those who are married. They are supposed to get divorced as part of the procedure. The Government tried to be helpful by introducing a fast-track-to-Civil-Partnership procedure: they can arrange for you to have your decree absolute and then sign your Civil Partnership on the same day. Some couples have done this, but most have simply refused to co-operate with the authorities. The result is that the trans person ends up in a gender limbo. Their legal gender is unchanged, but their social gender does change. Birth certificate says one thing; passport says another. It is a workable solution but it is unsatisfactory. Partly because of the prison issue (a male prison is no place for any women, never mind a woman with an unusual issue), but mainly because anyone can request a copy of your birth certificate and uncover your past. The new legislation - if passed - would sweep this away. A person could change my legal gender, and stay married. There are several hurdles still to go, and the conservative evangelical Christians will fight at every stage. Sniffer - I don't see how your question is at all relevant to the topic. Well,we are getting your opinion in ardent support of your now sister. I'm curious to know if the other side of the family have a similar view on the family dynamics, and the situation in which their daughter finds herself. I'd say it is very relevant to the topic if you want the wider view. If you don't want to reply, that's OK. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Craig 6700 Posted February 7, 2013 Share Posted February 7, 2013 I'm not in a position to answer, nor do i think individual feelings are relevant to this particular topic. I can speak for my own feelings, my interpretation of anyone else's (including the remainder of my own close family) would be merely circumspect. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sniffer 0 Posted February 7, 2013 Share Posted February 7, 2013 OK. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CleeToonFan 1 Posted February 7, 2013 Share Posted February 7, 2013 Both my representative back home and my representative in my Uni constituency voted against. Cunts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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