Southampton Away

[Lake Bells tits 1]

Bollocks, some of the best fullbacks have hardly been particularly "pacey", certainly never as much a flyer as a winger otherwise they'd have all been wingers. It's all about the defensive unit working as a unit and scheme/positioning, and having a football brain that can work in the scheme. No professional footballer is particularly "slow" and really "electric" wingers are few and far between.

 

 

 

Did you just wake up after 30 years of cryosleep?

Welcome to modern fotball. Pace is important.

Edited November 27, 2012 by Lake Bells tits

[Christmas Tree 4884]

I've moved into Gemmil mode and feel quite calm.

[Gemmill 46525]

It's more that I just couldn't give a shit.

[Tom 14021]

Still guitaring Gemmill?

[Gemmill 46525]

On and off, aye. Trying to keep it ticking over. Hoping to move soon so any plans for that Les Paul reissue are on hold though!

[Tom 14021]

Fair one!

Its hard to fit in sometimes, im glad i learned when i was younger. Guitars are daftly priced these days anyway, ive saved up for a couple of months with one in mind but cant bring myself to buy it when ive already got what i "need".

[Gemmill 46525]

Aye may as well wait until prices improve - pound seems to be doing a bit better against the dollar, which should help. I wish I'd done a bit more learning when I was younger tbh. Could have done with the Internet being around 10 years sooner cos there's so much on there these days to learn from. Although saying that, sitting trying to work songs out is probably better than having some goon on YouTube just tell you.

[Tom 14021]

You'll get better quicker doing it the hard way but there are some decent technique videos most people can learn from! I always used to learn stuff from magazines before discovering internet tabs, which were a god send!

[Toonpack 10156]

 

 

 

 

Did you just wake up after 30 years of cryosleep?

Welcome to modern fotball. Pace is important.

 

I know it's difficult for you, but don't be a wanker.

 

Pace is important - Yes it is, but its not the most important thing,see Obertan for reference. You get caught on the break if you over extend and get wrong footed, got fuck all to do with pace per se, it's that wrong footing that makes the breaking team appear "fast" when in reality there's not a huge difference (with a few exceptions) in the pace of the players breaking and being broken against. It's all relative to the reaction time and players positioning. Good defences don't get caught on the break.

 

There are a few exceptionally fast players and then there's fucking loads who are much of a muchness pace-wise.

Simple really.

[Lake Bells tits 1]

I just think its an absurd thing to claim, that pace in todays fotball is overrated.

You cant use Obertan as an example of pace not being important- he doesnt use his, tbf he is a useless waste of oxygen.

Fullbacks these days are in fact effectively second wingers, overlapping and providing additional attacking threat. They defend that way, when you double up on the flanks you tie up the oppositions wingers a well.

Having loads of pace is really really important, as wingers storm up and down the flank throughout the game.

Edited November 27, 2012 by Lake Bells tits

[Park Life 71]

Wenger regularly times his players 100m times. That's how he knew when to sell Henry.

[Toonpack 10156]

I just think its an absurd thing to claim, that pace in todays fotball is overrated.

You cant use Obertan as an example of pace not being important- he doesnt use his, tbf he is a useless waste of oxygen.

Fullbacks these days are in fact effectively second wingers, overlapping and providing additional attacking threat. They defend that way, when you double up on the flanks you tie up the oppositions wingers a well.

Having loads of pace is really really important, as wingers storm up and down the flank throughout the game.

 

Where did I do that?? Electric pace is just not a "must have" to be an effective fullback IMO, you can't be "slow" but then again few are.

 

If there were measurements available anywhere I reckon you'd find the average winger and fullback aren't far apart, there'd be the "exceptions" obviously but as a rule the whole footballing population at each level will be much of a muchness withmost at the Prem level being pretty quick.

 

Pace is not the be all and end all as you portray, if it was, the Obertan example is perfectly valid, maybe we should convert him to fullback.

 

Colo is great example of a not "electric" defender but he reads the game so well he gains yardage without having to run it, that's the key thing, having a football brain as a defensive unit and diagnosing/reacting to the game before it happens.

[Alex 35717]

Loving reading some of the "we were right" posts that are flying about.

[Alex 35717]

Wenger regularly times his players 100m times. That's how he knew when to sell Henry.

Aye, but pace was essential to his effectiveness in the PL. It doesn't therefore mean you have to be like shit off a stick to play at left-back, for example.

[Tooj 17]

Where did I do that?? Electric pace is just not a "must have" to be an effective fullback IMO, you can't be "slow" but then again few are.

 

If there were measurements available anywhere I reckon you'd find the average winger and fullback aren't far apart, there'd be the "exceptions" obviously but as a rule the whole footballing population at each level will be much of a muchness withmost at the Prem level being pretty quick.

 

Pace is not the be all and end all as you portray, if it was, the Obertan example is perfectly valid, maybe we should convert him to fullback.

 

Colo is great example of a not "electric" defender but he reads the game so well he gains yardage without having to run it, that's the key thing, having a football brain as a defensive unit and diagnosing/reacting to the game before it happens.

 

I think in modern football though the role of full-backs has changed dramatically and most of the top teams all have full-backs that have pace who can get up and down the pitch and have just as much of an impact going forward or maybe even more so than they do defensively.

[McFaul 35]

Aye, but pace was essential to his effectiveness in the PL. It doesn't therefore mean you have to be like shit off a stick to play at left-back, for example.

Aye but you could say that about any position. In modern football you won't see many Cafu's who end up at wheelchair pace. Pace is the second most important thing in the game. NUFC's best team since 1997 was SBR 2002-2004 team, it wasn't because they were the most talented (imo), it was because we had lightening quick pace, no club other than Arsenal had as many quick players like Bellamy, Dyer and Jenas.

[NJS 4431]

I think in modern football though the role of full-backs has changed dramatically and most of the top teams all have full-backs that have pace who can get up and down the pitch and have just as much of an impact going forward or maybe even more so than they do defensively.

 

The reason I'd try and do better than Simpson isn't his much maligned defending which I think overall isn't that bad - its the fact that he can't play a final ball/cross to save his life and that's vital.

 

Santon needs to improve in this area as well but he's younger.

[Alex 35717]

Aye but you could say that about any position. In modern football you won't see many Cafu's who end up at wheelchair pace. Pace is the second most important thing in the game. NUFC's best team since 1997 was SBR 2002-2004 team, it wasn't because they were the most talented (imo), it was because we had lightening quick pace, no club other than Arsenal had as many quick players like Bellamy, Dyer and Jenas.

Fair enough. You need pace but TP is right in that most of the PL players are much of a muchness, which is the point I was agreeing with. Tooj is also right about the best full-backs being pacey who can get up and down the pitch. Although that also applies to SImpson and he's fucking dogshit

[McFaul 35]

I just think its an absurd thing to claim, that pace in todays fotball is overrated.

You cant use Obertan as an example of pace not being important- he doesnt use his, tbf he is a useless waste of oxygen.

Fullbacks these days are in fact effectively second wingers, overlapping and providing additional attacking threat. They defend that way, when you double up on the flanks you tie up the oppositions wingers a well.

Having loads of pace is really really important, as wingers storm up and down the flank throughout the game.

I wouldn't even entertain a reply to that old spastic mate. I've got more respect for a 15 year old delinquent who wipes snots on the windows of public transport than that Ashley sympathising old wanker.

[McFaul 35]

Fair enough. You need pace but TP is right in that most of the PL players are much of a muchness, which is the point I was agreeing with. Tooj is also right about the best full-backs being pacey who can get up and down the pitch. Although that also applies to SImpson and he's fucking dogshit

Yes but he's going to Roma in January [/itk]

[Alex 35717]

Yes but he's going to Roma in January [/itk]

Fuck me gently if that happens. He'd be even worse in Italy with time on the ball. He could possibly get away with playing CB there like.

[Lake Bells tits 1]

Where did I do that?? Electric pace is just not a "must have" to be an effective fullback IMO, you can't be "slow" but then again few are.

 

If there were measurements available anywhere I reckon you'd find the average winger and fullback aren't far apart, there'd be the "exceptions" obviously but as a rule the whole footballing population at each level will be much of a muchness withmost at the Prem level being pretty quick.

 

Pace is not the be all and end all as you portray, if it was, the Obertan example is perfectly valid, maybe we should convert him to fullback.

 

Colo is great example of a not "electric" defender but he reads the game so well he gains yardage without having to run it, that's the key thing, having a football brain as a defensive unit and diagnosing/reacting to the game before it happens.

 

Again, Obertan doesnt use his pace at all ( save for a few squirts against european backyard teams) - so you cant use him as an example.

 

Colo is not electric, but he is reasonably fast ( and certainly fast enough for a centreback) and he is quite fast the first 10 yards as well as having excellent vision.

 

By contrast you have Williamson who does not have that vision and is far slower. If you dont think his lack of pace is a flaw then you are sorely mistaken imo.

[McFaul 35]

Fuck me gently if that happens. He'd be even worse in Italy with time on the ball. He could possibly get away with playing CB there like.

Hahaha it's not really ITK, was in a number of English papers, and also mooted in Italy yesterday. He'd struggle in Serie A like, as you say you get more time on the ball so he'd have to rely more on technical ability rather than instinct when he's on the ball which would find him out. Apparently his destination is Roma, Palermo or Fiorentina according to the crack if there's any truth in it.

[Toonpack 10156]

I wouldn't even entertain a reply to that old spastic mate. I've got more respect for a 15 year old delinquent who wipes snots on the windows of public transport than that Ashley sympathising old wanker.

 

Nice

[Alex 35717]

You got banned from N-O for saying you hoped someone died of AIDS or similar, did you not? Not that I give a fuck but get off your high horse.