The Death Penalty: Are you for or against?

[Tooj 17]

I voted against.

 

 

 

Personally in my opinion I don't see how you can say killing is wrong then kill another and it makes us barbarian.

 

Also I don't know how you can say it is a form of justice when clearly it's revenge driven.

[ChezGiven 0]

Nothing barbaric about putting a violent and dangerous animal down.

[Meenzer 15561]

Against. I understand why certain crimes (or certain perpetuations of those crimes) are felt to be beyond the pale and worthy of death, but I don't think a civilised society should indulge that - perfectly human and understandable - desire, nor should we apply different standards depending on the emotional impact of a case or how we perceive the perpetrator.

[wolfy 12]

With the amount of unsecure convictions, how many innocent people could be executed.

If the death penalty was going to be introduced, I'd say it would have to be on the admittance of the person from his own mouth in full view of independent witnesses,whilst looking fit to stand trial and not in any way shape or form looking drugged up to the eye balls.

Edited October 18, 2012 by wolfy

[Lake Bells tits 1]

Im principally against, if not for anything else then because of difficulties of reverting a sentence if the man is later found innocent of his crimes.

I think its barbaric, the taking of human life is beyond the task of a modern state - and they shouldnt have the authority to do so either.

[JawD 99]

For.

 

I understand the arguments against and in fact I agree with many of the arguments against it. But, its just my opinion. Now, its not something Id use lightly, and only when there is no doubt, at all, that this person was guilty. The only thing I can think of is murder. Is it revenge? well, only for the family of those involved AND I do realise that the family might not want this action. But I think to live in society, you dont need a very high level of intellect to know right from wrong. I wouldnt even say for all kinda of murder, it has to do with the persons psyche. If someone gets pissed and kills someone with their car, they deserve to be sent down but I wouldnt give them the needle. Unless of course their attitude was "if I get out in 20 years Ill go on the drink and do it again".

 

Id also find a small island and dump long term people there and leave them to it. Use the money to try and rehab those with a chance

[Lake Bells tits 1]

For.

Now, its not something Id use lightly, and only when there is no doubt, at all, that this person was guilty.

 

Which is very rarely the case in murder cases, leading me to doubt how well this penalty would be executed ( pun intended)

[JawD 99]

Which is very rarely the case in murder cases, leading me to doubt how well this penalty would be executed ( pun intended)

 

Bloke walks in to bar and opens fire killing 12 people and is then restrained.

 

and so on.

[McFaul 35]

Completely for it if it says Belgrade on your birth certificate *safety wink*

 

It depends on the severity of the crime and being proven without 1% doubt, but people like child killers, there's no point in them living. I think these backward countries have the right idea in dealing with people of proven evil, torture the cunts to death, you'd see rates of such crimes fall through the floor.

[Lake Bells tits 1]

Completely for it if it says Belgrade on your birth certificate *safety wink*

 

It depends on the severity of the crime and being proven without 1% doubt, but people like child killers, there's no point in them living. I think these backward countries have the right idea in dealing with people of proven evil, torture the cunts to death, you'd see rates of such crimes fall through the floor.

 

Dangerous presedent though, treating people differently based on the crime they allegedly commited.

How much worth is a testimony gained through interrogation.

[Christmas Tree 4729]

Nothing barbaric about putting a violent and dangerous animal down.

 

Yup

[McFaul 35]

Dangerous presedent though, treating people differently based on the crime they allegedly commited.

How much worth is a testimony gained through interrogation.

That's a fair comment, there'll never be a death penalty in this country anyway. More likely people worthy of death penalties are given Sky and ESPN in their cells with Chinese take aways on Thursday nights, than of a law being passed to kill them.

 

That Brevik should be given the death penalty, I'm amazed there's technically a possibility he could be released in 21 years even.

[Lake Bells tits 1]

That's a fair comment, there'll never be a death penalty in this country anyway. More likely people worthy of death penalties are given Sky and ESPN in their cells with Chinese take aways on Thursday nights, than of a law being passed to kill them.

 

That Brevik should be given the death penalty, I'm amazed there's technically a possibility he could be released in 21 years even.

 

 

Breivik will never be a free man, while legally there is a technical possibility - there wont be any political will to let that happen.

Dont imagine any judge willing to be the one who lets him out.

 

 

Have you seen Halden Prison, our newest one courtesy of our socialist government?

A former american Prison executive visited it and was shocked, "is this PRISON?"

 

 

 

 

HMM X-BOX OR PS2 TODAY - TOUGH CHOICE

 

 

 

NICER THAN MY BATHROOM TBF..

 

Edited October 18, 2012 by Lake Bells tits

[rikko 20]

Against.

 

Death isn't a punishment it's a cop out. Would you rather be dead or locked in dank cell with no contact for the rest of your life? True punishment is being forced to live for the rest of your natural life with guilt and remorse. Or if you are heartless sociopath then its being totally isolated and being frustrated by no one listening too or caring about you.

 

To my mind death penalty only works if you have a strong religious faith where god punishes you in the afterlife but as I don't believe that it's a cop out.

[The Fish 10876]

Bloke walks in to bar and opens fire killing 12 people and is then restrained.

 

and so on.

You're arguing that 100 correct convictions and executions are worth one innocent man being killed?

 

I also worry for the precedent, just because it's only used in extreme cases now, what if successive governments use it to remove citizens they find unsavoury?

 

Chez's quote of putting an animal down bothers me. When does the person become an animal? What if it's a crime of passion? Or the murderer is suffering from a temporary insanity? If these people get off, wouldn't you find guilty people escaping the chair by faking the above?

 

Finally, and perhaps most importantly, it doesn't work as a deterrent, (as I've said before American states with the death penalty still have high murder rates and high rates of sexual assaults) so it's only being used as a method of revenge. . So what's the point? Where's the benefit to society?

 

I would say that I'd make prison a lot less appealing, and those that commit atrocities should be forced to work for the betterment of society, even if that's just maintaining roads.

 

I get why parents are more likely to see it's return, but honestly, the thought of innocent people killed by state sanctioned executioners makes me very very nervous for our kids. Far more so than the thought of a murderer.

[Lake Bells tits 1]

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1277158/Halden-Prison-Inside-Norways-posh-new-jail.html

[Tooj 17]

Also I'm glad Brevik is in prison for the rest of his life as killing him would only result in him being a martyr which he'd clearly be happy with.

[JawD 99]

Hey if prisons become prisons Id happily take that over death penalty, but that wasnt an option.

 

Make the prison a cell, with bars and a shitter in the corner, a bed. Make it chain gang-esque and fuck the human rights malarky.

[The Fish 10876]

Get frustrated with the people who think that because you're against the Death Penalty you "want the scum to live in luxury in Prison".

 

I personally think Prison is too lenient and indentured servitude should be employed to keep prisoners contributing, their cells should be basic, their meals should be to provide nourishment and nothing more. Oh and certainly remove their little luxuries; No TVs, just books. No smoking on premises, No internet (other than for educational purposes) and so on and so forth

[Dr Gloom 21965]

Against. I understand why certain crimes (or certain perpetuations of those crimes) are felt to be beyond the pale and worthy of death, but I don't think a civilised society should indulge that - perfectly human and understandable - desire, nor should we apply different standards depending on the emotional impact of a case or how we perceive the perpetrator.

 

Agreed. Plus judges and juries don't always get it right either do they? A late appeal that overturns a verdict is no consolation if the accused is six feet under.

[Lake Bells tits 1]

Also I'm glad Brevik is in prison for the rest of his life as killing him would only result in him being a martyr which he'd clearly be happy with.

 

He is already a cult figure though, Russians wear t-shirts of him ffs

[PaddockLad 17290]

I dont think its right, and its not a deterrent (look at the US) and a fit up by the police was certainly common place and happens from time to time now...that bloke they had up for murdering Jill Dando springs to mind, I think they just picked on the local nutter. Throw away the key more often as some have said with harsher conditions.

[wolfy 12]

Keeping people in prison with luxuries is silly. Just as it's silly keeping people in prison with Victorian measures installed in this day and age would be silly.

 

Give people luxury and you take away the deterrent for crime.

Treat people like animals and you get exactly that, animals, which you have to control, not to mention zipping up masses of suicides on a weekly basis, I would think.

 

Executing people can serve as a deterrent in one way and a problem in another.

 

If a person is intent on committing murders, he/she will do it no matter what the consequences are because obviously they aren't in a level frame of mind if they are thinking on those lines in most cases, although there are some calculated people out there I suppose, yet some are so smug as to think they would get away with their crime irrespective of what consequences were upon them.

 

 

For me, the best way to deal with prisoners who have a certain sentence, is to give them reasonable meals and access to newspapers and books as normal, whilst making them work paying for their own stay.

 

Also, I think any sentence given out...say...someone getting 10 years..they go in knowing they do the 10 years but can reduce it a fraction each month with good behaviour, including not being caught with drugs.

 

Prison is only a shock tactic these days for first offenders in many cases because after that, they know how easy the life is inside and it doesn't hold any fear for them , should they commit an offence again. This is where courts have to be careful about hitting people with the short sharp shock for stupid things that can easily be sorted with other tasks outside.

 

The regular offenders who have sampled a few prison sentences are undeterred by going back, which gives them more scope to go and fuck someone's life up outside, knowing that even if they are given 10 years, they will be out in about 7 max.

[Monkeys Fist 42484]

Against.

As a deterrent, it doesn't work- those countries that have it , also have some of the highest murder rates.

That means it can only be a "revenge" sentence.

Which is barbaric.

[sniffer 0]

For.

 

Some people don't deserve to go on breathing at the taxpayers expense.