The Fish 10430 Posted October 10, 2012 Share Posted October 10, 2012 (edited) Whatever :lol:Been there, done it, got the T. shirt. This modern fan was standing in the gallowgate when Keegan played, when Mirandhina kicked Dave beasant in the back and when Johnny rep sent a 30 yard volley in in the 70's. As for you, the closest you've probably been to a chav is watching Eastenders so dont go all soopafan on me ffs.And as for some kid stood in his Wills joggers been more passionate than some 50 or 60 year old sat in his seat kicking every ball, give over. Alright Mary, touch a nerve did I?End of the day, you want to sit and eat your two burgers and politely applaud. This Jack Wills wearing snob still wants to leap about like a lunatic, so do the old fellas from my local pub in Seaton Sluice (Don't know a chav ?). It's not age. It's passion. You're just a typical tory boy. p.s. you wear a panama hat ffs Edited October 10, 2012 by The Fish Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gejon 2 Posted October 10, 2012 Share Posted October 10, 2012 (edited) Just been reading that the British Muslim Council is urging players such as Tiote, Ba, Cisse and Ben Arfa to boycott the shirt next season.# Yeah they can piss off with their pick and choose morals. Edited October 10, 2012 by Gejon Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andrew 4650 Posted October 10, 2012 Share Posted October 10, 2012 And theyve not replied to me on twitter yet! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christmas Tree 4438 Posted October 10, 2012 Share Posted October 10, 2012 p.s. you wear a panama hat ffs Wearing a panama hat somewhere hot is acceptable, the only time you should wear trousers like these is when you are appearing in Joseph or attending fancy dress parties as Rupert the Bear. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monroe Transfer 0 Posted October 10, 2012 Share Posted October 10, 2012 I thought it was charver not chav up there CT? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Fish 10430 Posted October 10, 2012 Share Posted October 10, 2012 When all is said and done, thems some sexy pjs and yours is a terrible panama, add to that you're a typical tory boy, jcl, no pride/no passion Sky fan and none of that will ever change. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christmas Tree 4438 Posted October 10, 2012 Share Posted October 10, 2012 When all is said and done, thems some sexy pjs and yours is a terrible panama, add to that you're a typical tory boy, jcl, no pride/no passion Sky fan and none of that will ever change. At least Ive seen Newcastle play live Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Fish 10430 Posted October 10, 2012 Share Posted October 10, 2012 At least Ive seen Newcastle play live once I've probably seen them more than you, you daft happeneth. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christmas Tree 4438 Posted October 10, 2012 Share Posted October 10, 2012 I've probably seen them more than you, you daft happeneth. Course you have Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Fish 10430 Posted October 10, 2012 Share Posted October 10, 2012 Course you have I'm sorry, I misspoke. I'll clarify, I've probably supported them at more games than you have. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tooj 17 Posted October 10, 2012 Share Posted October 10, 2012 It's charva ffs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monroe Transfer 0 Posted October 10, 2012 Share Posted October 10, 2012 My bad Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Face 29 Posted October 11, 2012 Share Posted October 11, 2012 Is this the biggest shirt deal we've ever done? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Fish 10430 Posted October 11, 2012 Share Posted October 11, 2012 Is this the biggest shirt deal we've ever done? Yes More importantly, I thought you were on your honeymoon? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Face 29 Posted October 11, 2012 Share Posted October 11, 2012 I am, but its been nagging at me and she's washing my duds in the sink so I had a minute to jump on and ask. Difficult to moan about it if its a bigger deal than any we've had, whatever the perception of Wonga as a two bit operation. Clearly on another level to Tombola. Anyone complaining about the nature of their business is talking bollocks. I do think it cheapens the NUFC brand, but no more than Sports Direct had already, and at least there is reasonable recompense for it in this case. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Fish 10430 Posted October 11, 2012 Share Posted October 11, 2012 I am, but its been nagging at me and she's washing my duds in the sink so I had a minute to jump on and ask. Difficult to moan about it if its a bigger deal than any we've had, whatever the perception of Wonga as a two bit operation. Clearly on another level to Tombola. Anyone complaining about the nature of their business is talking bollocks. I do think it cheapens the NUFC brand, but no more than Sports Direct had already, and at least there is reasonable recompense for it in this case. I think the outrage is as much about having something to be outraged about than anything else. The thing to focus upon is that it's £32m over 4 years & St James' returns as the "official" name. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JawD 99 Posted October 11, 2012 Share Posted October 11, 2012 It's charva ffs. Scotchie tbh Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NJS 4256 Posted October 11, 2012 Share Posted October 11, 2012 Scotchie tbh I always liked Irvine Welsh's "Schemie" as in from the schemes - especially when combined with "Hilfiger" to describe that particular brand. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
McFaul 35 Posted October 11, 2012 Share Posted October 11, 2012 Caulkin It's business; just business. It's just business that has seen Newcastle United enter a shirt sponsorship deal with Wonga, the short-term loan company (representative APR 4,214 per cent), which has been described as a "legal loan shark" by MPs. Just business that, as is their right, they have walked away from a contract with Virgin Money because they could find more cash elsewhere. It was just business when the naming rights to St James' Park, one of the most iconic landmarks in a city whose mood is still, to a large extent, influenced by the club that are perched in its centre, were put up for sale. It was the market which dictated that no worthy bidder came forward (Sports Direct, Mike Ashley's company, has done rather nicely out of "showcasing" the name for no fee; after today's announcement, the name is reverting back). It was just business that meant Newcastle finally declined to sign a couple of defenders this summer, abandoning - for the time being - moves for Mathieu Debuchy, the France international, and Douglas of Twente, either because the fees kept changing or they found themselves dealing with unwilling negotiators. Their model for transfers has value at its core. It was just business when they sold Andy Carroll to Liverpool for £35 million because .... well, that one doesn't need spelling out. And to a certain degree, it was just business when they dispensed with Chris Hughton, because although their former manager had secured their position in the Barclays Premier League and was popular, they believed that Alan Pardew would bring them greater success, a touch of Hollywood and more television revenue. It was just business when they turned off the escalator in the main reception at the ground, when they attached motion-sensors to their lighting and renegotiated their energy bills, saving more than £200,000 over the last three years. The £56,000 they spent on a 580ft-deep borehole for irrigating their training ground this summer is just business, too, because it could save them as much as £500,000 in the next decade. It's just business that they have been working so assiduously to achieve Category One status for their Academy, even after initially being assessed below that grade earlier this year. Extra expenditure now will, in time, result in Newcastle being able to sign and develop talented young players from across the country; cheaper, in the long-run, than buying them later. Equally, it was just business when Newcastle announced price freezes for ten-year season tickets and greatly extended their family section, because the North East is not a wealthy place. But get to them young, so the argument goes, and you've got them for life and a full stadium brings guarantees of income, looks better for the telly, intimidates the opposition, wins matches, attracts players and earns more prize money. It's just business. It's not personal. Five years after he bought the club for £134 million, allegedly without completing due diligence and clearly with no sense of what he was letting himself in for, this phrase is at the heart of Ashley's Newcastle. Not business as in taking money out, but business as in employing any means necessary in the cause of self-sufficiency. When it was first mooted - in October 2009, when Newcastle were in the npower Championship and at the same time as Ashley removed the club from the market and gave Hughton a permanent contract - the issue of stadium naming rights felt like an insult. After relegation, Joe Kinnear, the treatment of Kevin Keegan and Alan Shearer and so many other embarrassments, it was lashing out, gratuitous, hurtful. It was never those things, of course. It was just business. While the hierarchy at Newcastle acknowledge that their decisions can be contentious - or "off the wall", as Derek Llambias put it recently - their argument has always been that they are taken for long-term gain. That they have to compete with the big boys somehow and if Wonga or St James' brings them a new player or investment, then so be it. Changing the name back is just business too, if only because it softens the Wonga deal. Three years ago, when naming rights was announced, I wrote an editorial sort of article calling for Ashley to go even as he said he was staying. I stand by those words because it was a piece of its time; while Hughton's team were doing brilliantly, it felt as though it was in spite of the people above them and that the essence of Newcastle was being corroded. It was a howl of rage about how a proud institution was being degraded, about what football was becoming. Down the line, it helps that the club have found a cogent plan and are explaining things more (encouraged by a tireless PR department). I've got to know Llambias a little better - part of the job is to make contacts, to get to the heart of what's happening - and for all that I still hate what happened during the early part of the Ashley era (the relegation season was the closest I've ever come to not enjoying my job), I actually like him. I like the financial blueprint they are sticking to. I haven't forgotten the Newcastle that Ashley walked into - horribly indebted, instalments of money still to be paid on bloated, big-name players who had already left, arrogant (at the top), with a team of individuals - and I like the fact that the signings now being sought should be young and hungry. I like the notion of self-sufficiency, too, particularly in the present environment. I like the long-term contracts and I like stability. I like the fact that, from now on, I'll be able to write the words 'St James' Park' in this newspaper without worrying that they'll be altered, but I don't like the idea of Wonga very much. I find it uncomfortable that there will be an association between a pay-day lender and a football club in a region suffering from high unemployment and the effects of recession and I'm not sure how much that association will benefit Newcastle's "brand image" (even writing that phrase makes me feel nauseous). These are my own personal political beliefs. And I feel empathy for someone like Michael Martin, the editor of the respected True Faith fanzine, when he says that "this is close to breaking point for me, the one that breaks the camel's back" because - and I'm probably putting words in his mouth here - he thinks his football club should be a beacon, should stand for something. And when a local politician and season ticket-holder says he will not return to the ground while Wonga is involved with Newcastle, I think that's both relevant and important. It's just business. Whatever the concerns of MPs and campaigners, Wonga also sponsors Blackpool and Hearts and does the same for a primetime television show on ITV; should Newcastle be judged any differently? And, really, aren't most clubs complicit in some way? Aren't they happy to take money from bookmakers and banks and investment companies? What about the cosy relationship with McDonalds, Nike and others? Isn't this all shades of the same colour? (Newcastle used to be sponsored by Northern Rock). Barclays, for instance, sponsors the Premier League. Its community involvement in football has been lauded and its money has been welcome. Yet the World Development Movement recently said that the bank's Capital arm "risks fueling a speculative bubble and contributing to hunger and poverty for millions of the world's poorest people". The Libor scandal, anybody? (declaration of interest/hypocrisy: I bank at Barclays. I work for News International. I wear Nike running stuff. I vote Labour). My concern with the Ashley/Llambias model is where and if the business side collides with football. The sale of Carroll, the sacking of Hughton, prompted emotional responses that threatened stability inside the dressing room and in the stands. Things calmed - and history looks back kindly on both decisions - but does there come a moment when that risk is too, er, risky? I wonder the same about this summer's transfer activity. Refusing to compromise (the club deny this, pointing to the Papiss Cisse deal as an instance where they have bitten the bullet on a fee) on the price of players has left them without cover in defence, a policy which has been exposed by injuries to Fabricio Coloccini and Steven Taylor. Just as Liverpool compromised with their £35 million, sometimes it has to be done. St James' (as we can now officially refer to it again) and Wonga form part of the same theme, although there is a slight contradiction here, too. To me, it feels like dents in the club's soul and, in the case of the latter, a poor example to set. There are emotive costs that come with it and, depending on your viewpoint, costs in status and pride, yet, having put £200 million of his own money into the club, Ashley is not prepared to spend any more. It has to come from somewhere. If you want to improve and grow, it has to come from somewhere. If you want to buy new players - and occasionally compromise on fees - it has to come from somewhere. If you aren't subsidised by a state or a willing sugar-daddy, then it has come come from somewhere. If you want to hold your nose and say that this isn't for you any more, then I wouldn't blame you. But it's not personal. It's business; business as usual. I don't like it very much, but I get it. More from George Caulkin: Comparing that with this....oh dear, oh fucking dear. http://www.chroniclelive.co.uk/newcastle-united/nufc-news/2012/10/10/comment-nufc-back-in-the-national-spotlight-again-72703-32001463/?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
McFaul 35 Posted October 11, 2012 Share Posted October 11, 2012 Scotchie tbh Scotchie is a phrase only people from the West End and beyond seem to know. I've said it to people from the coast and Wallsend and they think you're on about jocks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toonpack 8694 Posted October 11, 2012 Share Posted October 11, 2012 (edited) Scotchie is a phrase only people from the West End and beyond seem to know. I've said it to people from the coast and Wallsend and they think you're on about jocks. I'm from the coast and my lads (both now mid 20's) always used to call them Scotchie's when younger (a lot younger) "Not going to the park on Churchill as so and so says it's full of Scotchies", "was a load of Scotchies at the station" etc. Charva's a comparatively recent term I reckon, never heard it until a few years ago (a good few years - but you know what I mean) I used the term when I worked down Ipswich some 10 years or so ago and they hadn't a clue what I was on about, they called the equivalent social class pikey's. "Charva!, what's a charva?" - explained and they'd say "Oh you mean pikeys". Edited October 11, 2012 by Toonpack Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Craig 6581 Posted October 11, 2012 Share Posted October 11, 2012 My first reaction to this was disgust, but after sitting back and considering it more, I fail to see how anyonein football can really be so high and mighty morally on this one subject? We have chelsea fans backing JT, mackems backing Bramble, we have racism, homophobia and gingerism. We have a league sponsor who manipulated bank libor rates and is under investigation, numerous clubs sponsored by gambling outfits or alcohol companies and players on >£100K per week. Can we really talk about morals? Really? Wongas business model preys like vultures on the desperate, but its one of a long line of companies. Jack Colback deseves all that comes his way tbf Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Kelly 1205 Posted October 11, 2012 Share Posted October 11, 2012 I'm from the coast and my lads (both now mid 20's) always used to call them Scotchie's when younger (a lot younger) "Not going to the park on Churchill as so and so says it's full of Scotchies", "was a load of Scotchies at the station" etc. Charva's a comparatively recent term I reckon, never heard it until a few years ago (a good few years - but you know what I mean) I used the term when I worked down Ipswich some 10 years or so ago and they hadn't a clue what I was on about, they called the equivalent social class pikey's. "Charva!, what's a charva?" - explained and they'd say "Oh you mean pikeys". I know Oz used Charva in the second series of Auf Wiedersehen so it's been around for that long. Coming from Wallsend it's a term I've known for years and I have to say I've never heard of Scotchies. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Gloom 21302 Posted October 11, 2012 Share Posted October 11, 2012 Comparing that with this....oh dear, oh fucking dear. http://www.chronicle..._medium=twitter Hideous. I wonder what this Standard Charter is he talks of. He's actually probably worse than Alan Oliver. He's that bad. How do this guys get these jobs when they can't write? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Gloom 21302 Posted October 11, 2012 Share Posted October 11, 2012 i grew up saying scothy and charva. but for me, charvas were people and scothy was a type of behaviour. e.g - "that charver's a bit scotchy - he just downed a whole bottle of 20/20" ...or something. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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