essembeeofsunderland 811 Posted September 2, 2012 Share Posted September 2, 2012 Cisse won't score 10 premier league goals this season unless he gets some service from the wings. Marveaux on the left with spiderman and Santon on the right would give us more balance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christmas Tree 4835 Posted September 2, 2012 Share Posted September 2, 2012 442 Is not a problem if we play Marveaux on the left instead of Jonas. Jonas is too wrapped up as a defensive left midfield player and now actually looks lost on the ball when in an advanced position. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kid Dynamite 7174 Posted September 2, 2012 Share Posted September 2, 2012 Cisse won't score 10 premier league goals this season unless he gets some service from the wings. Marveaux on the left with spiderman and Santon on the right would give us more balance. How many of his goals last year came from the wings? Most of our games since he signed we played 433 anyway Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Kelly 1260 Posted September 3, 2012 Share Posted September 3, 2012 From what I've seen of Marveaux so far I'm not sure where the confidence that he can improve things comes from. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aeris 0 Posted September 3, 2012 Share Posted September 3, 2012 (edited) From what I've seen of Marveaux so far I'm not sure where the confidence that he can improve things comes from. The guy is fuckin 26, something comes with age. He's a more offensive minded guy than Jonas and don't seem to lose possession very often, good technical skills, he's providing something more for the strikers. Jonas should train to become a complete back or midfielder, that's where his defensivity is needed atm. Edited September 3, 2012 by Aeris Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JonTheMag 4 Posted September 3, 2012 Share Posted September 3, 2012 How many of his goals last year came from the wings? Most of our games since he signed we played 433 anyway Cisse's goals: Villa - cross Wolves - through the middle Norwich - cross West Brom 1 - cross West Brom 2 - pull back from Ben Arfa Liverpool 1 - cross Liverpool 2 - through the middle Swansea 1 - through the middle Swansea 2 - through the middle Bolton - cross Stoke - through the middle Chelsea 1 - cross Chelsea 2 -whatthefuck Wing play isn't necessary for Cisse's goals, but it certainly helps. Even so, the crosses that Cisse scored from were almost all whipped in from the byline to his feet, not these deep crosses aimed at the heads of Ba and Cisse that we've seen in the last few matches. For Cisse to thrive (and Ba too, really) they need the ball slipped in to dangerous positions by the likes of Cabaye and Ben Arfa, and we just aren't seeing that yet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christmas Tree 4835 Posted September 3, 2012 Share Posted September 3, 2012 The thing with Jonas offensively is that now he just looks like a rabbit caught in the headlights when he gets the ball and a defender is in front of him. A few times yesterday he just seemed lost for what to do next. At least we have a bit of a break now to hopefully get people fit and get this mess sorted out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Park Life 71 Posted September 3, 2012 Share Posted September 3, 2012 The thing with Jonas offensively is that now he just looks like a rabbit caught in the headlights when he gets the ball and a defender is in front of him. A few times yesterday he just seemed lost for what to do next. At least we have a bit of a break now to hopefully get people fit and get this mess sorted out. I'd play him at left back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christmas Tree 4835 Posted September 3, 2012 Share Posted September 3, 2012 I'd play him at left back. Should have done that yesterday when Simpson went off. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aeris 0 Posted September 3, 2012 Share Posted September 3, 2012 (edited) .................Cisse/Ba .............Marv...........HBA ..............Tiote...Cabaye Anita/Jonas.....................Santon ............Colo.Taylor.Willo ......................Krul Here is what my wet dreams look like, deep wingers and two creative minds in the hole. Don't know how or why it should work, but it looks fancy Edited September 3, 2012 by Aeris Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lake Bells tits 1 Posted September 3, 2012 Author Share Posted September 3, 2012 You're a cheery fella, aren't you? He is spot on you know, cabaye has been dogshite and the whole Ba/Cisse situation is going on everyones tits. w Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lake Bells tits 1 Posted September 3, 2012 Author Share Posted September 3, 2012 .................Cisse/Ba .............Marv...........HBA ..............Tiote...Cabaye Anita/Jonas.....................Santon ............Colo.Taylor.Willo ......................Krul Here is what my wet dreams look like, deep wingers and two creative minds in the hole. Don't know how or why it should work, but it looks fancy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
essembeeofsunderland 811 Posted September 3, 2012 Share Posted September 3, 2012 Thank you. For starters i want at least one left footer on the left simply for balance.Santon and Spiderman produce vey little if anything from the left.Cutting inside or playing 5 yard square balls inside do nowt for us offensively,so why can Pardew not see it. Nothing gets pulled back from the goal line from our wide players.HBA is the only one who gets into such positions. Adam Johnson would have been perfect for us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christmas Tree 4835 Posted September 3, 2012 Share Posted September 3, 2012 Thank you. For starters i want at least one left footer on the left simply for balance.Santon and Spiderman produce vey little if anything from the left.Cutting inside or playing 5 yard square balls inside do nowt for us offensively,so why can Pardew not see it. Nothing gets pulled back from the goal line from our wide players.HBA is the only one who gets into such positions. Adam Johnson would have been perfect for us. I havent mentioned his for a while but Shane Ferguson (if he ever gets fit) can do that superbly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tooj 17 Posted September 3, 2012 Share Posted September 3, 2012 I havent mentioned his for a while but Shane Ferguson (if he ever gets fit) can do that superbly. There's no evidence as to yet that Ferguson can do it superbly. We're yet to see much end product from what little we've seen of him so far. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lake Bells tits 1 Posted September 3, 2012 Author Share Posted September 3, 2012 I think shane could be our Adam Johnson tbh. Quick, hungry to take players on, up for it. He just needs a wee bit of muscle added to him Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christmas Tree 4835 Posted September 3, 2012 Share Posted September 3, 2012 There's no evidence as to yet that Ferguson can do it superbly. We're yet to see much end product from what little we've seen of him so far. Enough evidence imo but hopefully Pardew will offer further for your consideration soon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tooj 17 Posted September 3, 2012 Share Posted September 3, 2012 Enough evidence imo but hopefully Pardew will offer further for your consideration soon. Hopefully he can get over his injury problems as his versatility could be a big bonus for us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Kelly 1260 Posted September 3, 2012 Share Posted September 3, 2012 The guy is fuckin 26, something comes with age. He's a more offensive minded guy than Jonas and don't seem to lose possession very often, good technical skills, he's providing something more for the strikers. Jonas should train to become a complete back or midfielder, that's where his defensivity is needed atm. I'm not totally sure what you're saying about Marv there but from what I've seen of him in the European games in particular he's provided no amunition for the strikers whatsoever. In the same way that Christmas Tree seems to rate Ferguson without any evidence to back it up, a lot of people seem to be doing it with Marveaux too. Not saying he's no good btw, just that we've not seen anything from him yet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shane 3 Posted September 3, 2012 Share Posted September 3, 2012 I havent mentioned his for a while but Shane Ferguson (if he ever gets fit) can do that superbly. If you don't stop stalking me, I'm getting a restraining order! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sammynb 3508 Posted September 3, 2012 Share Posted September 3, 2012 .................Cisse/Ba .............Marv...........HBA ..............Tiote...Cabaye Anita/Jonas.....................Santon ............Colo.Taylor.Willo ......................Krul Here is what my wet dreams look like, deep wingers and two creative minds in the hole. Don't know how or why it should work, but it looks fancy Is it just my imagination or does that formation resemble a fist! (No not you monkey, your paw.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tooj 17 Posted September 3, 2012 Share Posted September 3, 2012 Three centre halves is even more outdated than 4-4-2. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Kelly 1260 Posted September 3, 2012 Share Posted September 3, 2012 And when you consider one of them is Williamson it just tips over the edge into lunacy! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christmas Tree 4835 Posted September 3, 2012 Share Posted September 3, 2012 Hopefully he can get over his injury problems as his versatility could be a big bonus for us. called up again for Ireland. Be interesting to see if Pards lets him go. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christmas Tree 4835 Posted September 3, 2012 Share Posted September 3, 2012 I'm not totally sure what you're saying about Marv there but from what I've seen of him in the European games in particular he's provided no amunition for the strikers whatsoever. In the same way that Christmas Tree seems to rate Ferguson without any evidence to back it up, a lot of people seem to be doing it with Marveaux too. Not saying he's no good btw, just that we've not seen anything from him yet. Think I was sold on him when I saw him link up brilliantly with Ben Arfa (think cup against Forrest) and a few instances with Cabaye (possibly v villa last year). Just seems to have a very quick football brain and can pass it well. However that been the case he needs equally good players around him to be able to play that game. Obviously easier to do with Ben Arfa and Cabaye than with the kids. These arguments will rattle on til they get their chance unfortunately. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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