Tooj 17 Posted August 28, 2012 Share Posted August 28, 2012 I'd put him on the same level as Gazza and less than Pedro, but that doesn't take anything less away from his ability. Gazza was arguably more ball greedy than Ben Arfa. Pedro was of course the ultimate team player. Just seems you're nitpicking over every simple little thing about his game instead of enjoying having him on the field for us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lake Bells tits 1 Posted August 28, 2012 Author Share Posted August 28, 2012 (edited) Id sell the entire team before him, everyone else is replacable. If you want this kind of influence you would have to pay 30-40 million, that is if you can find one. Edited August 28, 2012 by Lake Bells tits Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christmas Tree 4669 Posted August 28, 2012 Share Posted August 28, 2012 (edited) I'd put him on the same level as Gazza and less than Pedro, but that doesn't take anything less away from his ability. Gazza was arguably more ball greedy than Ben Arfa. Pedro was of course the ultimate team player. Just seems you're nitpicking over every simple little thing about his game instead of enjoying having him on the field for us. Not at all. The thread is about playing 442 and LBT was discussing playing "carpet football". My point was and still is, that its very hard for the rest of the team to play Carpet Football with HBA because he is so unpredictable. Its great when it comes off but its very hard if you are a forward trying to constantly time runs just right or a defender deciding if now is the moment to "go for it" down the wing. I think his very nature is to go for Glory first where Beardsley would be quite happy to thread the ball through and let Cole or Lineker take the glory. Edited August 28, 2012 by Christmas Tree Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christmas Tree 4669 Posted August 28, 2012 Share Posted August 28, 2012 Id sell the entire team before him, everyone else is replacable. If you want this kind of influence you would have to pay 30-40 million, that is if you can find one. So why are the big boys not battering down our door with 30 or 40 million. Surely they can all see what you see? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lake Bells tits 1 Posted August 28, 2012 Author Share Posted August 28, 2012 So why are the big boys not battering down our door with 30 or 40 million. Surely they can all see what you see? He just came back from injury and has had but a few months in the premier league. Im sure they are monitoring the situation very closely Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aimaad22 4082 Posted August 28, 2012 Share Posted August 28, 2012 Typical CT retort there going on about the fanboys. He plays absolutely nothing like Ronaldo. Ronaldo is a flat track bully that nowadays is all about his pace, strength and athleticism. Ben Arfa is the complete opposite to this and is all about pure skill and natural talent. You can tell you don't watch much other football like. Agreed. People these days just use pace. Not saying thats bad but its what makes HBA so refreshing, overflowing natural ability. Thats why I liked Ronaldinho better than any of the so called stars we have these days, he just oozed skill and talent although didn't lack for pace. Its what makes football wonderful, and anybody trying to tell these players to play differently needs shooting! As for Ben Arfa, last year some people had concerns about his workrate and backtracking, he seems to have sorted that out too. In addition so far he's looked hungrier than any of our players willing to take responsiblity (penalty incident against Spurs, told Ba in no uncertain terms he's taking it) Rather than whinge about some small issue or speculate when he's going to leave the club or anything of the sort, Im just going to sit back and enjoy his time here because it is very unlikely we'll see a more talented player at the club for a very long time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christmas Tree 4669 Posted August 28, 2012 Share Posted August 28, 2012 He just came back from injury and has had but a few months in the premier league. Im sure they are monitoring the situation very closely We bought him with a broken leg ffs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christmas Tree 4669 Posted August 28, 2012 Share Posted August 28, 2012 Of course, it doesnt help HBA when we are so lame down the left so opposition teams can concentrate on marking just him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aimaad22 4082 Posted August 28, 2012 Share Posted August 28, 2012 We did? I was under the impression De Jong broke it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christmas Tree 4669 Posted August 28, 2012 Share Posted August 28, 2012 If it makes any of you feel better I have just had to clean a really shitty nappy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christmas Tree 4669 Posted August 28, 2012 Share Posted August 28, 2012 We did? I was under the impression De Jong broke it? He was on loan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tooj 17 Posted August 28, 2012 Share Posted August 28, 2012 He averages a goal or an assist every 134 minutes for us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lake Bells tits 1 Posted August 28, 2012 Author Share Posted August 28, 2012 Imagine if we had proper width and stretched the other team properly instead of our left wing being a mess and simpson picking huckleberries out of his arse every attack. Ben Arfa would have ACRES of room. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aimaad22 4082 Posted August 28, 2012 Share Posted August 28, 2012 Ben Arfa isn't good at playing it on the deck are you for real? it's because a lot of the time others around him don't make movements quick enough to make themselves available generally, if you watch those highlights videos someone posted in other thread i bet there's a load of times when he's got a couple round him and looks up to find no "triangles" available so ends up having to play the dribble card. you either play completely that way or you don't sadly, no point trying it half arsed you need everyone willing to play the 1touch pass routine and always looking for the ball. He would be devastating in the Barcelona team Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sniffer 0 Posted August 28, 2012 Share Posted August 28, 2012 I find it hard to believe any sane person can mention ben arfa in the same breathe as Peter Beardsley. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lake Bells tits 1 Posted August 28, 2012 Author Share Posted August 28, 2012 why sniffer mate Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sniffer 0 Posted August 28, 2012 Share Posted August 28, 2012 If you have to ask, never mind. Maybe come back to it in six or seven years time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lake Bells tits 1 Posted August 28, 2012 Author Share Posted August 28, 2012 The comparisons are drawn because of what kind of player he is. Noone is claiming he is as accomplished or have proven as much as beardsley. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Kelly 1216 Posted September 2, 2012 Share Posted September 2, 2012 I think it's quite obvious that we don't have the players to play 4-4-2 anymore. Ba & Cisse don't seem to click together in it and neither of our two wingers can actually get to the byline and cross a ball in. The change we made in second half today was a bit better but we really would be better off going with what got us to fifth. Unfortunately it seems that Pardew has promised Ba that he'll play in the centre and it's looking like something that could cost us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IndianMag 0 Posted September 2, 2012 Share Posted September 2, 2012 I think it's quite obvious that we don't have the players to play 4-4-2 anymore. Ba & Cisse don't seem to click together in it and neither of our two wingers can actually get to the byline and cross a ball in. The change we made in second half today was a bit better but we really would be better off going with what got us to fifth. Unfortunately it seems that Pardew has promised Ba that he'll play in the centre and it's looking like something that could cost us. We played the 4-4-2 quite succesfully when we had Carroll & Shola playing upfront, with Barton delivering good crosses into the box. We don't have the delivery anymore and I don't think we don't really have the physical presence either. I think Ba & Cisse need to roughen up a little. They barely win balls in the air and their movement off late has been poor which is surprising considering how good their movement was last year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
essembeeofsunderland 811 Posted September 2, 2012 Share Posted September 2, 2012 Does Ba actually go up to win headers outside the box because the law of averages say he should win the odd one,but he doesn't.It's like watching Shola. No wide player on either flank with the ability to get a decent ball into Ba or Cisse.Our set plays were shocking.The `first man' must have had more touches than anyone else on the pitch today. Am i the only one who cannot see what all the fuss is about Cabaye ? For an attacking midfield player ,he creats very little,and scores very few. My mate rates spiderman because of his workrate and ability to draw a foul. Is that what a wide-leftsided player is on the pitch for ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monroe Transfer 0 Posted September 2, 2012 Share Posted September 2, 2012 You're a cheery fella, aren't you? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IndianMag 0 Posted September 2, 2012 Share Posted September 2, 2012 Does Ba actually go up to win headers outside the box because the law of averages say he should win the odd one,but he doesn't.It's like watching Shola. No wide player on either flank with the ability to get a decent ball into Ba or Cisse.Our set plays were shocking.The `first man' must have had more touches than anyone else on the pitch today. Am i the only one who cannot see what all the fuss is about Cabaye ? For an attacking midfield player ,he creats very little,and scores very few. My mate rates spiderman because of his workrate and ability to draw a foul. Is that what a wide-leftsided player is on the pitch for ? The one problem I have with Pardew is that we waits for too long to change things around if there is an obvious issue. Take the Obertan, Ben Arfa examples last season for example. I thought it was a bit of a masterstroke to change to 4-3-3 last season and to get Jonas playing CM, so why has Pardew gone back to playing him on the left? We beat Manure and Chelski playing the 4-4-2, so it's not like we can't use the formation to good effect when we need to be a little more direct against the big teams, but against the weaker teams, I think it should always be a 4-3-3. We played some of our best football last season playing the 4-3-3. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kid Dynamite 6961 Posted September 2, 2012 Share Posted September 2, 2012 Think it might be time to drop one of the Dembas and play Ben Arfa and Marveaux either side of the other one. They've had 6 months worth of games, training and internationals to learn to play off each other and they spend half their time getting in each others way. I'd stick with Ba atm, he works harder Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tooj 17 Posted September 2, 2012 Share Posted September 2, 2012 Think it might be time to drop one of the Dembas and play Ben Arfa and Marveaux either side of the other one. They've had 6 months worth of games, training and internationals to learn to play off each other and they spend half their time getting in each others way. I'd stick with Ba atm, he works harder Totally agree. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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