wolfy 12 Posted August 21, 2012 Share Posted August 21, 2012 When you think of all the drugs on the market today that proclaim to help you, how many of them actually do help you and how many cause more problems than they cure. Obviously there's a lot of drugs out there that are beneficial to a person for major things like kidney, heart and other major problems like that. The thing I'm intrigued with though, is how strong is our own mind in curing many ailments, yet we maybe aren't using it to any real full effect. The reason why I say this, is down to a person I knew who had been diagnosed with an illness, the C word and was told that at best she would have 6 to 12 months but they could maybe lengthen her life by chemo. She refused because she said, if it was gonna happen it will happen. More or less having an attitude of, I will just do what I do and fight it myself. Now I'm being serious when I say this! she lasted quite normally, going about her business for over 6 years and only then the C seemed to win, yet I wondered if her mind was that strong that her body fought it but maybe (like a war) the fight went on too long and her mind succumbed to it. In contrast to that, I knew another woman who was diagnosed with © and she went to pot and she basically withered away within 6 weeks, it was unreal. Of course I understand there's more aggressive forms and what not but I just think that if we knew how to tap into our brains fully, I think we could cure a lot of what takes us down. What do you all think? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monkeys Fist 41453 Posted August 21, 2012 Share Posted August 21, 2012 I think you should lay off the herbal baccy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wolfy 12 Posted August 21, 2012 Author Share Posted August 21, 2012 I think you should lay off the herbal baccy. I don't smoke it but I have no objections to anyone that does for pleasure or medicinal purposes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ADP 0 Posted August 21, 2012 Share Posted August 21, 2012 (edited) I don't know. But what does irk me is that I have to take tablets for a neurological disorder that I will have for the rest of my life each day, and I subsequently have to take 2 other forms of medication to deal with side effects. When I have asked if there is a possible alternative to the medication to the neurological disorder that I have which may not require other medication for its side effects, I am generally told that yes, there is, though it is a risk because the neurological disorder is taken care of by the medication, even though there are side effects. If i were to change medication that it might jeopardise the fact that the disorder is under control. I guess what is required is a bit of acceptance that medical treatment is limited, and for many illnesses and diseases we are still far away from having complete knowledge over causes and cures. Edited August 21, 2012 by ADP Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wolfy 12 Posted August 21, 2012 Author Share Posted August 21, 2012 I don't know. But what does irk me is that I have to take tablets for a neurological disorder that I will have for the rest of my life each day, and I subsequently have to take 2 other forms of medication to deal with side effects. When I have asked if there is a possible alternative to the medication to the neurological disorder that I have which may not require other medication for its side effects, I am generally told that yes, there is, though it is a risk because the neurological disorder is taken care of by the medication, even though there are side effects. If i were to change medication that it might jeopardise the fact that the disorder is under control. I guess what is required is a bit of acceptance that medical treatment is limited, and for many illnesses and diseases we are still far away from having complete knowledge over causes and cures. Aye, I'd go along with that. It seems that even though medicine has advanced, many people are still being made Guinea pigs yet it's a case of, have the side effects or suffer on your own.I just think we are made to rely on medicine in some shape or form even if it's cough syrup. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Renton 20549 Posted August 21, 2012 Share Posted August 21, 2012 Some conditions are amenable to psychological suggestion like the placebo effect but cancer isn't one of them. It's very difficult to accurately predict its prognosis. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Renton 20549 Posted August 21, 2012 Share Posted August 21, 2012 Aye, I'd go along with that. It seems that even though medicine has advanced, many people are still being made Guinea pigs yet it's a case of, have the side effects or suffer on your own. I just think we are made to rely on medicine in some shape or form even if it's cough syrup. Given that medicine is rationed by the NHS I'd suggest that's bollocks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wolfy 12 Posted August 21, 2012 Author Share Posted August 21, 2012 Given that medicine is rationed by the NHS I'd suggest that's bollocks. I think you've misunderstood me. I'm not saying that the cough medicine is given out at free will by the NHS...what I'm saying is, it's as though we are conditioned to just go out and buy it when we have a cough, plus a lot of stuff given to patients in hospitals or at doctors is basically guinea pig like remedies. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monkeys Fist 41453 Posted August 21, 2012 Share Posted August 21, 2012 Would it be fair to assume , Wolfy, your stance is … Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wolfy 12 Posted August 21, 2012 Author Share Posted August 21, 2012 Would it be fair to assume , Wolfy, your stance is … My stance is what? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Renton 20549 Posted August 21, 2012 Share Posted August 21, 2012 I think you've misunderstood me. I'm not saying that the cough medicine is given out at free will by the NHS...what I'm saying is, it's as though we are conditioned to just go out and buy it when we have a cough, plus a lot of stuff given to patients in hospitals or at doctors is basically guinea pig like remedies. I don't use cough medicine because I know it doesn't work. By guinea pigs I assume you mean people participating in a clinical trial? These trials tell us if the drugs work or not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wolfy 12 Posted August 21, 2012 Author Share Posted August 21, 2012 I don't use cough medicine because I know it doesn't work. By guinea pigs I assume you mean people participating in a clinical trial? These trials tell us if the drugs work or not. Something like that yeah. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
luckyluke 2 Posted August 21, 2012 Share Posted August 21, 2012 I don't smoke it but I have no objections to anyone that does for pleasure or medicinal purposes. I love how formal Wolfy is sometimes. Before this gets to fifty pages I'm saying here and now I'm not getting involved as it's obvious from the few posts in here that medicines and their distribution is clearly one more thing that Wolfy just simply does not understand. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wolfy 12 Posted August 21, 2012 Author Share Posted August 21, 2012 I love how formal Wolfy is sometimes. Before this gets to fifty pages I'm saying here and now I'm not getting involved as it's obvious from the few posts in here that medicines and their distribution is clearly one more thing that Wolfy just simply does not understand. I hold my hands up , you are correct, I do not understand medicine at all but the topic isn't really about the medicine, it's about whether the body and mind can fend of diseases that would otherwise kill us. How many people do understand medicine? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Renton 20549 Posted August 21, 2012 Share Posted August 21, 2012 If you don't understand drugs and people are made of molecules which are made of atoms there's really little point in this discussion wolfy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wolfy 12 Posted August 21, 2012 Author Share Posted August 21, 2012 If you don't understand drugs and people are made of molecules which are made of atoms there's really little point in this discussion wolfy. Then don't discuss it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Renton 20549 Posted August 21, 2012 Share Posted August 21, 2012 Then don't discuss it. You asked if anyone understood medicine. According to your theories, the answer has to be no since medics have basically been brainwashed their entire lives into believing such nonsense as atoms. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wolfy 12 Posted August 21, 2012 Author Share Posted August 21, 2012 You asked if anyone understood medicine. According to your theories, the answer has to be no since medics have basically been brainwashed their entire lives into believing such nonsense as atoms. I thought you said there was little point in the discussion? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Renton 20549 Posted August 21, 2012 Share Posted August 21, 2012 I'm explaining why there's little point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Gloom 21469 Posted August 21, 2012 Share Posted August 21, 2012 if i was over a certain age and was diagnosed with cancer i'd probably say no to chemo too. who needs it if you've already had a decent-ish innings? same goes for radiotherapy. i know someone that had lung cancer. the chemo got rid of it but the radiotherapy left her with serious brain damage. a tragic situation. as far as forms of treatment go, radio and chemo therapy are pretty fucking savage. but then so is cancer. it's a horrible choice to have to make. but there's no disputing the fact that lots of drugs on the market do their job with way more managable side affects. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lake Bells tits 1 Posted August 21, 2012 Share Posted August 21, 2012 I think you underestimate peoples wish to live when shit hits the proverbial... easy to say its time to pack up but when its you you will happily gnaw off a leg or arm in order to survive - or start chemo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monkeys Fist 41453 Posted August 21, 2012 Share Posted August 21, 2012 I'm going Mystic Meg on this . * after 20 odd pages of Wolfy chasing his tail* Wolfy - " Medicine is a con, I see this because my eyes are open. All the human body needs is air, nothing more, if you don't eat , you can live forever. " Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wolfy 12 Posted August 21, 2012 Author Share Posted August 21, 2012 I'm going Mystic Meg on this . * after 20 odd pages of Wolfy chasing his tail* Wolfy - " Medicine is a con, I see this because my eyes are open. All the human body needs is air, nothing more, if you don't eat , you can live forever. " The topic is there for anyone to discuss. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Gloom 21469 Posted August 21, 2012 Share Posted August 21, 2012 (edited) I think you underestimate peoples wish to live when shit hits the proverbial... easy to say its time to pack up but when its you you will happily gnaw off a leg or arm in order to survive - or start chemo my wife worked with someone who was on chemo and died from a catching a cold which led to an infection that killed him because his immune system was so low. it's not one of those drugs that will definitely cure you. and it can make things a lot worse, and even kill you sooner than the cancer might. but ultimately it's all about the percentages. if i was diagnosed with cancer while young and otherwise healthy, i'd probably go for it. Edited August 21, 2012 by Dr Gloom Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ADP 0 Posted August 21, 2012 Share Posted August 21, 2012 I think you underestimate peoples wish to live when shit hits the proverbial... easy to say its time to pack up but when its you you will happily gnaw off a leg or arm in order to survive - or start chemo Agreed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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