aimaad22 4154 Posted October 29, 2012 Share Posted October 29, 2012 Last man = red card Brushing someones sock in a contact sport does not = foul Torres was trying to even up the teams and it backfired spectacularly So if brushing someone's socks is not a foul why was Ivanovic sent off Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ADP 0 Posted October 29, 2012 Share Posted October 29, 2012 (edited) There was contact with Torres, but he could have easily continued running imo. I only properly saw it like that on the camera from above Cech's head, zoomed in. He made a meal out of it because he hoped that the ref would come down hard on the manure defender. This constitutes simulation and was rightly booked for it. The Ivanovic incident is, for better or worse, following the letter of the law of contact with last man and striker that unfairly prevents a goalscoring opportunity. It's harsh on Ivanovic (though he is a knobber) as it appears that he accidentally clipped Young's foot and sent him flying, but them's the rules at present. Torres was trying to even up the teams and it backfired spectacularly Agreed. Edited October 29, 2012 by ADP Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Gloom 21861 Posted October 29, 2012 Share Posted October 29, 2012 Gullit and Souness were appalling managers for us, but they make for excellent pundits in my opinion. Souness is fucking dour though. He always looks angry Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ewerk 30385 Posted October 29, 2012 Share Posted October 29, 2012 Last man = red card Technically, very incorrect. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wykikitoon 19986 Posted October 29, 2012 Share Posted October 29, 2012 There was contact with Torres, but he could have easily continued running imo. I only properly saw it like that on the camera from above Cech's head, zoomed in. He made a meal out of it because he hoped that the ref would come down hard on the manure defender. This constitutes simulation and was rightly booked for it. The Ivanovic incident is, for better or worse, following the letter of the law of contact with last man and striker that unfairly prevents a goalscoring opportunity. It's harsh on Ivanovic (though he is a knobber) as it appears that he accidentally clipped Young's foot and sent him flying, but them's the rules at present. Agreed. I will have another look at this at lunch but I dont think he touches his leg at all. if there is its very very minimal. Its a fucking joke nowdays, its a fucking contact sport for chirst sake. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Gloom 21861 Posted October 29, 2012 Share Posted October 29, 2012 I will have another look at this at lunch but I dont think he touches his leg at all. if there is its very very minimal. Its a fucking joke nowdays, its a fucking contact sport for chirst sake. i agree usually, far too many stupid bookings and sendings off these days when players are actually trying to win the ball - see tiote last week. but the rules says it's a red card if you deny a goal scoring opportunity. ivanovic may not have meant to clip his legs, but there's no doubt he did catch him. if you apply the letter of the law, the ref got it right with that one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wykikitoon 19986 Posted October 29, 2012 Share Posted October 29, 2012 i agree usually, far too many stupid bookings and sendings off these days when players are actually trying to win the ball - see tiote last week. but the rules says it's a red card if you deny a goal scoring opportunity. ivanovic may not have meant to clip his legs, but there's no doubt he did catch him. if you apply the letter of the law, the ref got it right with that one. Did he clip his legs though? Im going from memory here, but I dont think there was a clip of legs. If there was then yes, he was through on goal and it has to be a red, but I do think there was minimal contact, not even a clip or tangle of legs. Was it Young who was though on goal, from what I remeber he put he left leg out and clipped the floor, THEN fell over. He has a reputation of being a diving fucker too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ADP 0 Posted October 29, 2012 Share Posted October 29, 2012 (edited) Whatever was and was not simulation, it's just a sad case that we have to even debate and consider whose would-be dishonesty warranted a red card more than the other. Wish players just had respect for fellow professionals and didn't bullshit. I know it's wishful thinking, just reckon the game is going to the dogs due to the dishonesty of players which is making it a no contact sport. We can blame the refs all we like for getting decisions wrong, but truth is in these instances it is the players that are making it so difficult for them. Fuck being a referee like, why anyone would want to be one is beyond me. Edited October 29, 2012 by ADP Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kid Dynamite 7011 Posted October 29, 2012 Share Posted October 29, 2012 So if brushing someone's socks is not a foul why was Ivanovic sent off Theres an echo in here Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Fish 10793 Posted October 29, 2012 Share Posted October 29, 2012 What a load of shite If I went down 3 yards past the player like that when I was through on goal I would have been hauled off by the manager in disgust The issue should be consistency by refs anyway Fuck off was he 3 yards past the player before he went down man. Evans right foot strikes Torres' trailing right leg. Does he go down soft, probably. But there's definite contact and as such, he didn't "dive". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaddockLad 17130 Posted October 29, 2012 Share Posted October 29, 2012 Fuck off was he 3 yards past the player before he went down man. Evans right foot strikes Torres' trailing right leg. Does he go down soft, probably. But there's definite contact and as such, he didn't "dive". Why didnt he stay on his feet?...has he got form for it?....does he have anyone to blame but himself?....refs are in a difficult posistion, stop trying to con them and you may get the much vaunted "greater consistancy" that the wise old owls are crying out for. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ewerk 30385 Posted October 29, 2012 Share Posted October 29, 2012 There was a bit of contact but Torres made the most of it. It's the making the most of it that is down to the referee's discretion and is always going to cause some controversy in these situations. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wykikitoon 19986 Posted October 29, 2012 Share Posted October 29, 2012 Fuck off was he 3 yards past the player before he went down man. Evans right foot strikes Torres' trailing right leg. Does he go down soft, probably. But there's definite contact and as such, he didn't "dive". This is what ADP is getting at. Thats a bang on dive. He knew duck lip was going to get that so fell, he could have stayed on his feet but chose not to. Its fucking bollocks football now, utter fucking bollocks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Fish 10793 Posted October 29, 2012 Share Posted October 29, 2012 This is what ADP is getting at. Thats a bang on dive. He knew duck lip was going to get that so fell, he could have stayed on his feet but chose not to. Its fucking bollocks football now, utter fucking bollocks. I think we'd argue about the semantics of it. But it's not a dive, it's going down easy, imo. This is a dive Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChezGiven 0 Posted October 29, 2012 Share Posted October 29, 2012 Why didnt he stay on his feet?...has he got form for it?....does he have anyone to blame but himself?....refs are in a difficult posistion, stop trying to con them and you may get the much vaunted "greater consistancy" that the wise old owls are crying out for. Thats a cracking point, if the players are not consistent in their behaviour, how can they expect the person judging them? If a player dives one minute, is honest the next and then looks as though he is exaggerating his fall the next then they have no right to expect to be treated consistently. Do unto others and all that but in this sense 'act the way you want to be treated'. If consistency is their issue then they need to sort their own house out first. They are total control of how they are seen on the pitch, the refs have a fucking tough job. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wykikitoon 19986 Posted October 29, 2012 Share Posted October 29, 2012 Its simulation, both are dives. There was exagguration of the contact, its a dive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wykikitoon 19986 Posted October 29, 2012 Share Posted October 29, 2012 Football is crooked and fucked /thread. The officials and the authourites have allowed it to get out of hand rather than stamping on it, similar to back chat. We will NEVER go back now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Fish 10793 Posted October 29, 2012 Share Posted October 29, 2012 Its simulation, both are dives. There was exagguration of the contact, its a dive. I guess I just think guys makes the most of the foul, like Torres did, it's "going down easy" or exaggerating. Someone goes down without a touch as Bale did, or sticks out a trailing leg to buy contact as Young did against Villa, it's a dive. Shearer was never one to dive, but there were times he went down easy. Robert would dive. Jonas takes a tumble when he could maybe stay on his feet. Suarez hits the deck when there's no fucker near him. Messi buys a foul. Ronaldo will dive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wykikitoon 19986 Posted October 29, 2012 Share Posted October 29, 2012 I guess I just think guys makes the most of the foul, like Torres did, it's "going down easy" or exaggerating. Someone goes down without a touch as Bale did, or sticks out a trailing leg to buy contact as Young did against Villa, it's a dive. Shearer was never one to dive, but there were times he went down easy. Robert would dive. Jonas takes a tumble when he could maybe stay on his feet. Suarez hits the deck when there's no fucker near him. Messi buys a foul. Ronaldo will dive. Aye Was I hearing things or did Neville say Torres was entitled to go down because Evans was 6'1" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ADP 0 Posted October 29, 2012 Share Posted October 29, 2012 Aye Was I hearing things or did Neville say Torres was entitled to go down because Evans was 6'1" Yeah i heard that as well! GN is a good pundit, but that was utter shite Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kevin Carr's Gloves 3860 Posted October 29, 2012 Share Posted October 29, 2012 If Clattenburg called Mikel a cheeky monkey is that racist? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kid Dynamite 7011 Posted October 29, 2012 Share Posted October 29, 2012 Fuck off was he 3 yards past the player before he went down man. Evans right foot strikes Torres' trailing right leg. Does he go down soft, probably. But there's definite contact and as such, he didn't "dive". That gif proves he went down 3 yards past him man Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kid Dynamite 7011 Posted October 29, 2012 Share Posted October 29, 2012 If Clattenburg called Mikel a cheeky monkey is that racist? No. Is thats what he's alleged to have said? Chelsea are in grave danget of coming out of this looking even worse than they already do after the JT saga Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gemmill 44539 Posted October 29, 2012 Share Posted October 29, 2012 If Clattenburg called Mikel a cheeky monkey is that racist? No but it's spectacularly patronising. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kevin Carr's Gloves 3860 Posted October 29, 2012 Share Posted October 29, 2012 I just made it up by the way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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