Another Shooting in America

[ewerk 31195]

Then some wife on BBC Breakfast was saying that the mam was part of some Doomsday preppers cult and was building an arsenal for the apocalypse.

 

If any of that's true and you mix that with a kid with mental health problems, it was a recipe for disaster.

 

I'm not sure there's any truth to that, it was reported in the Daily Mail and Independent following supposed comments by her former sister-in-law but rejected by everyone else who knew her.

[ewerk 31195]

Was she actually a teacher? I wasn't sure if that was misreported or not.

 

She worked in finance but retired following her divorce settlement.

 

Money grabbing cow.

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[Happy Face 29]

31 School Shootings in America Since Columbine

 

 

14 in the Rest of the World Combined

[ewerk 31195]

31 School Shootings in America Since Columbine

 

 

14 in the Rest of the World Combined

 

6 out of the top 12 deadliest shootings in the USA have happened since 2007. The problem appears to be getting worse.

[Kid Dynamite 7168]

Parky treating this as a bit of a laugh for some reason?

[The Fish 10963]

Love this idea that it's taking the civilian's right to have guns away from them. I'm fairly sure right to bear arms refers to an organised militia protecting the populace from an oppressive leadership. How many of the gun owners in the US are part of organised militia?

 

That Parky is clarting about like this is all hilarious is a bit Wolfy, for me.

[sweetleftpeg 0]

Someone put up a link to a knacker on facebook who had a detailed dossier of evidence to prove that this is all some sort of government set up hoax to bring about gun control in the US. Wolfytastic.

[Gejon 2]

Parky treating this as a bit of a laugh for some reason?

 

Get more attentionbites the more shocking the topic.

[Park Life 71]

Get more attentionbites the more shocking the topic.

 

Fuck off.

[Gejon 2]

Sorry sweety, please continue to use the mass slaughter of children as an excuse to spout your conspiracy theories

Edited December 19, 2012 by Gejon

[Park Life 71]

FUCK OFF YOU THICK IRRITATING CUNT

 

If you read any of my posts on the media and its treatment of this tragedy you clearly didn't understand any of it.

Edited December 19, 2012 by Park Life

[Park Life 71]

BTW FUCK OFF!!

[Gejon 2]

[Park Life 71]

No you really are a cunt.

[Brock Manson 0]

What gets me is the talk of limiting the sale of assault weapons as if that would be enough. Who the fuck needs to buy an assault rifle anyway? Shouldn't even have to be discussed.

 

The fact that so much of the Constitution has been bastardised and fucked about with, it's no basis to defend the readily available arsenal that anyone can seemingly get hold of with little to no trouble.

 

The sorry state of affairs is there are young kids who won't be seeing Christmas and many families who won't be able to enjoy Christmas for years to come. Having a right to bear arms is no excuse - those kids had a right to live ffs.

[Park Life 71]

What gets me is the talk of limiting the sale of assault weapons as if that would be enough. Who the fuck needs to buy an assault rifle anyway? Shouldn't even have to be discussed.

 

The fact that so much of the Constitution has been bastardised and fucked about with, it's no basis to defend the readily available arsenal that anyone can seemingly get hold of with little to no trouble.

 

The sorry state of affairs is there are young kids who won't be seeing Christmas and many families who won't be able to enjoy Christmas for years to come. Having a right to bear arms is no excuse - those kids had a right to live ffs.

 

The assualt weapons thing is ridiculous. They bent the regulations over the years to make out that in some way they were for hunting and so on.

[Gejon 2]

What gets me is the talk of limiting the sale of assault weapons as if that would be enough. Who the fuck needs to buy an assault rifle anyway? Shouldn't even have to be discussed.

 

The fact that so much of the Constitution has been bastardised and fucked about with, it's no basis to defend the readily available arsenal that anyone can seemingly get hold of with little to no trouble.

 

The sorry state of affairs is there are young kids who won't be seeing Christmas and many families who won't be able to enjoy Christmas for years to come. Having a right to bear arms is no excuse - those kids had a right to live ffs.

 

It's all a nonsense really. I can just about accept the 'bear in the garden' scenario that has been mentioned but other than that all the other reasons why they should bear arms are ridiculous. Some of the weapons available to 'defend' themselves is just nuts as you say.

[Park Life 71]

"Violence defines American culture. Turn on kids’ cartoons or any “drama” show and we see and hear the images and sounds of aggression against others. U.S. foreign policy advocates violence as the solution to problems. Bomb Kosovo, Libya. Invade Iraq or now Syria. Bomb Iran. Hollywood films, professional football and hockey, video games all squeeze the display of violence to attract audiences to their primary medium of entrainment. Brutal masculine domination has become the aesthetic in American “entertainment.” The media sells violence just as the language of violence shapes political discourse. In Hollywood barely a film heads for theaters without the fight and sound of a fist hitting a face, a bullet ripping through a body or a car pushing another car off the road. Our ever-growing prison system, with its industrial cousins, parallels the militarization of local police forces. The President heads the “assassination abroad committee” deciding on which people get “droned” today. Since we invade and occupy other countries routinely we have grown accustomed to permanent war, and our young people know guns and have used them against others in the Middle East. Staff Sgt. Robert Bales mowed down some 15 Afghanis, we suppose as a result of his war traumas. It’s easier to attribute war stress as a motive for mass killing than it is to figure out why every couple of months someone starts shooting down others in the street, in a mall or a movie theater.

 

The state’s violence gets cloaked in legitimacy. We kill people for our security via video drone games in Pakistan, Yemen and Somalia as we continue to exercise our violent will abroad. In the era of perpetual war, with targeted assassinations, an assault on basic liberties and the use of drones to protect our security we also undergo national mourning every time a “loony” kills “innocent” civilians – unlike those that die abroad as collateral damage. High U.S. body counts seem to occur as a parallel statistic to the violent acts initiated abroad. American soldiers kill Afghan civilians. U.S. “Kill teams” walk the countryside and we might wonder why some of this killing culture might rub off back home. Our military budget literally ties the country to war and a war economy.

 

Violent crime gets blamed on minorities. We read daily of prisoners (mostly black men) receiving the death penalty. But nothing happens to the people who design automatic weapons, except they get rewarded for doing a good job. Their bosses, the ultimate cultural moguls, create violence for profit. They provide the inspiration for modern U.S. culture.

 

Now let us pray, but keep your side arm ready in the movie theater where you may need it the next time someone imbibes too much of our violent culture and decides to play the Joker role during a Batman screening or takes cartoon violence to the streets."

Edited December 19, 2012 by Park Life

[Kid Dynamite 7168]

Yawn

 

Kids have been playing cowboys and Indians for decades

[Renton 21979]

"Violence defines American culture. Turn on kids’ cartoons or any “drama” show and we see and hear the images and sounds of aggression against others. U.S. foreign policy advocates violence as the solution to problems. Bomb Kosovo, Libya. Invade Iraq or now Syria. Bomb Iran. Hollywood films, professional football and hockey, video games all squeeze the display of violence to attract audiences to their primary medium of entrainment. Brutal masculine domination has become the aesthetic in American “entertainment.” The media sells violence just as the language of violence shapes political discourse. In Hollywood barely a film heads for theaters without the fight and sound of a fist hitting a face, a bullet ripping through a body or a car pushing another car off the road. Our ever-growing prison system, with its industrial cousins, parallels the militarization of local police forces. The President heads the “assassination abroad committee” deciding on which people get “droned” today. Since we invade and occupy other countries routinely we have grown accustomed to permanent war, and our young people know guns and have used them against others in the Middle East. Staff Sgt. Robert Bales mowed down some 15 Afghanis, we suppose as a result of his war traumas. It’s easier to attribute war stress as a motive for mass killing than it is to figure out why every couple of months someone starts shooting down others in the street, in a mall or a movie theater.

 

The state’s violence gets cloaked in legitimacy. We kill people for our security via video drone games in Pakistan, Yemen and Somalia as we continue to exercise our violent will abroad. In the era of perpetual war, with targeted assassinations, an assault on basic liberties and the use of drones to protect our security we also undergo national mourning every time a “loony” kills “innocent” civilians – unlike those that die abroad as collateral damage. High U.S. body counts seem to occur as a parallel statistic to the violent acts initiated abroad. American soldiers kill Afghan civilians. U.S. “Kill teams” walk the countryside and we might wonder why some of this killing culture might rub off back home. Our military budget literally ties the country to war and a war economy.

 

Violent crime gets blamed on minorities. We read daily of prisoners (mostly black men) receiving the death penalty. But nothing happens to the people who design automatic weapons, except they get rewarded for doing a good job. Their bosses, the ultimate cultural moguls, create violence for profit. They provide the inspiration for modern U.S. culture.

 

Now let us pray, but keep your side arm ready in the movie theater where you may need it the next time someone imbibes too much of our violent culture and decides to play the Joker role during a Batman screening or takes cartoon violence to the streets."

 

If you're going to just cut and paste dirge like this, at least have the integrity to provide a link.

[Park Life 71]

Here. This is the crux of the matter.

 

"As a candidate in 2008, Obama supported reinstating the assault weapon legislation that expired in 2004. Among other restrictions, the law limited the ammunition magazine capacity of these heavy-duty rifles.

But a renewal fell by the wayside, and the president received a dismal review from the Brady Center to Prevent Gun Violence, one of the most visible gun-control advocacy groups.

“President Obama’s first-year record on gun violence prevention has been an abject failure,” the group wrote in a 2010 report, adding, “his campaign promises have gone unfulfilled and a year’s worth of opportunities to bring sanity to the gun issue have been lost.”

Should he want to bring forward legislation now, Obama faces a major obstacle: Congress. Even the Democratic-controlled Senate has shown little appetite to touch the controversial issue"

 

The wider context and my stance in this thread is that tougher gun legislation is not in the interest of the ruling groups wether they be business, politicians or infact the media (Obama doesn't even really have the power to change the status quo). That's why the debate dies till another tragedy occurs. American culture is too violent and edgy about giving up guns...It's a culture where paranoia and perpetual war, combined with a society at grave risk from economic failure and unemployement just isn't self-aware or informed enough (by the media) to make rational choices.

 

I have a daughter and this tragedy hit me very hard the other day and I got to thinking about how violence is gloryfied as a money making tool by Hollywood (kill counts and lone warriors taking revenge) to gurantee profits. How there is little in depth coverage of poverty or mental health issues on american television - just silicon tits and plastic fox news. It's not just about gun control (that's part of it) but the whole culture is sick imo and by that I mean vulernable. Vulernable to this self-perpetuation of solving things all around the planet by training young men to kill and gloryfying it. In time social scientist will look back at this period and probably see that the whole culture was sold on some kind of killing myth...Some kind of self-justification through brutal and final acts.

 

http://politicaltick...ningful-action/

 

 

Good article here...Bit heavy reading. (America living in a state of fear and paranoia since 9/11)

 

http://books.google....r media&f=false

Edited December 20, 2012 by Park Life

[Happy Face 29]

The wider context and my stance in this thread is that tougher gun legislation is not in the interest of the ruling groups wether they be business, politicians or infact the media (Obama doesn't even really have the power to change the status quo). That's why the debate dies till another tragedy occurs. American culture is too violent and edgy about giving up guns...It's a culture where paranoia and perpetual war, combined with a society at grave risk from economic failure and unemployement just isn't self-aware or informed enough (by the media) to make rational choices.

 

I agree about it not being in the interest of the ruling parties.

 

The gun issue is one that gives the illusion of choice in an election cycle. Along with religion, abortion, gay rights etc.

 

In the big picture these are not massive issues. The economy, war, indefinite detention, the "war" on drugs...the issues of major importance to a president have just about got bipartisan consensus across the board.

 

Everyone with an ounce of common sense, certainly enough to get to the white house over the past 30 years, knows

 

1) Assault weapons aren't required for sports

2) You have to lie about being godly to reach the white house.

3) Abortion is rightfully legal and changing it would be a step backwards

4) Gays should have any and every right legally afforded to non gays

 

But these wedge issues are the sideshow that keep the hicks and the liberals at each others throats while Everyone in congress agrees on how to help themselves and big business to the detriment of everyone else.

 

That doesn't mean the side issues are irrelevant and pressure should not be placed on the powers that be to resolve them despite their interests. Moments like this are perfect for applying that pressure.

[Brock Manson 0]

The NRA are calling for armed guards to be a fixture of American schools.

 

Because throwing more guns at the gun problem is a sure solution.

 

[OTF 7485]

Some of the pro-gun arguments that I've heard in brief snippets of news feeds from CNN have been hilariously bad, made worse by the fact that the people making the arguments strongly believe them, so ingrained is the gun culture. My favourite was the guy who was suggesting that by being anti-gun you were somehow inherently pro-crime.