Moon Landings

[Renton 21534]

I don't see anything offensive in your post.

 

If you want to go about your life with that notion about myself , who am I to argue. After all, you could be right or you could be wrong, I suppose you will never find that out either. Never mind though.

 

You do cite me as being arrogant though as if I'm more clever than Galileo and such, yet I don't think I'm any more clever than the next person. I just have opinions that differ from your own.

 

I've based my thinking on a lot of my own logic and if it's flawed, only time will tell, if it ever does tell.

 

Naah, it was offensive. Unnecessarily so. I apologise For that. We're never going to agree Wolfy; I do think you're the more closed minded of us though.

[wolfy 12]

Naah, it was offensive. Unnecessarily so. I apologise For that. We're never going to agree Wolfy; I do think you're the more closed minded of us though.

I suppose it determines how you view closed minded.

 

For many years I believed everything they told me and wrote in books and went along with it simply because I didn't question why the powers that be would need to lie or fake anything.

If anyone had told me then that they had lied, I'd have looked at that person as being a bit loopy but it would have made me check it out using an OPEN mind, which I eventually did and found lot's of it seemed fake, so I delved and delved into everything to make my decision as to whether it was or not and I've accepted that much of what is told is not exactly the truth.

 

If I said I know the full reasons as to why or what need there is to fake it all, I'd be lying, yet I can hazard a guess that the main point is monetary gain.

Edited August 5, 2012 by wolfy

[wolfy 12]

When most people think of satellites, they think of the amazing technology to get them into space and the rockets that deliver them, so that we get our 10 million channel super TV coverage, (ok I exaggerated the amount of channels lol)

 

Anyway, a lot of us pay SKY a decent amount of money a month for the enjoyment of watching a lot of channels from around the world because this satellite stuff is expensive, so we have to foot the bill for our enjoyment don;t we?

 

I mean, we get our nice new sky dish which is aligned, then bingo we are switched on and receiving our pictures from a 23,000 miles into space satellite.

 

Virgin can do the very same through cable but they will most likely have a massive dish aimed at the satellite and sending us the pictures through our cable right?

 

Which gets me onto these free view boxes which we were told at the time, we needed a bigger aerial to be able to get all these other channels, which in-fact were foreign as well as English yet all received through a normal house roof aerial only this aerial being a bit larger....Is this from a satellite? If it is, why do we need a dish, or is it simply from Earth based transmitters.

 

Why do the military use spy planes and drones to spy on other countries when satellites can supposedly zoom in so well, it can actually see something in your hand, so they tell us.

Well if that's the case, why use spy planes?

 

When anyone uses google Earth to zoom in on their house, why does it show a fake Earth until you start to zoom right in, to say a plane height and then it becomes a photo of your house a few months ago, why isn't it showing you a photo of it in real time if you are accessing a satellite?

[The Fish 10833]

Thing is wolfy, we've explained how these things work and given you opportunity to see for yourself. Yet you won't do something as simple as take a pair of binoculars to the sky at the time the ISS goes over head.

 

There only two reasons you would refuse this simple test;

1. You're afraid you'll be proven wrong

2. You'd prefer to be ignorant than right.

 

You state the conspiracy doesn't need to be populous, but even if you assume that the number of people who know "the truth" has remained constant for 50 years, their personnel will have changed, many times. The scale to include the various nations who have used Satellite technology is still going to number in the tens of thousands in that time. You're stating that not one, not a single man jack amongst that multitude would have made this "lie" public? Can't you see the insanity of that?

 

Conspiracy theories involving one off Events like JFK's assassination or the terrorist attack on the eleventh of september can be given some attention because the number of people it would take to orchestrate an event would be small and it's only for one event.

 

Faking man-made objects in space is such a massive undertaking and involves innumerate people from various countries, all with their own agendas and their own political/financial motivators, that it simply makes no sense.

 

I've explained how satellites work and your response is to repeat what I've said and add "Yeah right". That's not debunking my proposal, that's being a child who doesn't understand something.

I've stated as fact, there are not radio relays hidden in London that provide GPS-like readings when I'm tracking vans. I know this because they would be used by us as they work a fuck of a lot better than the Radio Network we currently suffer. You, again, just dismiss this.

 

You're wrong wolfy, so wrong it's worthy of ridicule, but what makes it worse is that you're trying to pass yourself off as benign and curious. You're not curious, you're just contrary.

[LoveTheBobby 1]

I think Google Earth has never said anything other than the images having been collated as snapshots of time from high altitude planes (I think?)

 

Can we do 'pyramids' as a topic sometime btw ?

Definately something up with them .

[BigWalrus 0]

Just come across this thread. Some of the discussion reminds me of a friend of mine, who, even when disproven by facts, refuses to back down from his views. It's an irritating read.

[The Fish 10833]

Why do the military use spy planes and drones to spy on other countries when satellites can supposedly zoom in so well, it can actually see something in your hand, so they tell us.

Well if that's the case, why use spy planes? The cost of realigning the Satellite can be prohibitive and a drone is more easily deployed. Drones can fly below cloud cover and can be used as a 1st response tool.

 

When anyone uses google Earth to zoom in on their house, why does it show a fake Earth until you start to zoom right in, to say a plane height and then it becomes a photo of your house a few months ago, why isn't it showing you a photo of it in real time if you are accessing a satellite? Simple answer is that you're not accessing a satellite in real-time. You're accessing a huge resource of pictures. The reason you see a computer generated earth to begin with is for function and style. Lastly the images aren't solely satellite, they're aircraft, hot air baloons, a whole heap of aerial photographic utilities.

[BigWalrus 0]

I must say though, I love the "the signal would bounce straight off the atmosphere" argument.

 

How does that explain the fact we can see the moon and the stars? Wouldn't the light waves also" bounce off the atmosphere"? Wouldn't the light of the sun also "bounce off the atmosphere"?

[wolfy 12]

Thing is wolfy, we've explained how these things work and given you opportunity to see for yourself. Yet you won't do something as simple as take a pair of binoculars to the sky at the time the ISS goes over head.

 

There only two reasons you would refuse this simple test;

1. You're afraid you'll be proven wrong

2. You'd prefer to be ignorant than right.

 

You state the conspiracy doesn't need to be populous, but even if you assume that the number of people who know "the truth" has remained constant for 50 years, their personnel will have changed, many times. The scale to include the various nations who have used Satellite technology is still going to number in the tens of thousands in that time. You're stating that not one, not a single man jack amongst that multitude would have made this "lie" public? Can't you see the insanity of that?

 

Conspiracy theories involving one off Events like JFK's assassination or the terrorist attack on the eleventh of september can be given some attention because the number of people it would take to orchestrate an event would be small and it's only for one event.

 

Faking man-made objects in space is such a massive undertaking and involves innumerate people from various countries, all with their own agendas and their own political/financial motivators, that it simply makes no sense.

 

I've explained how satellites work and your response is to repeat what I've said and add "Yeah right". That's not debunking my proposal, that's being a child who doesn't understand something.

I've stated as fact, there are not radio relays hidden in London that provide GPS-like readings when I'm tracking vans. I know this because they would be used by us as they work a fuck of a lot better than the Radio Network we currently suffer. You, again, just dismiss this.

 

You're wrong wolfy, so wrong it's worthy of ridicule, but what makes it worse is that you're trying to pass yourself off as benign and curious. You're not curious, you're just contrary.

I'm not refusing any test.

 

Binoculars pick up a blob of light, that's it, there is no ISS shape.

You say you suffer radio network problems yet you say it works by satellite?

 

You can sit there and tell me I'm wrong all day long but you are not putting anything forward that convinces me of anything other than telling me I'm wrong and using words like," I've told you how this works and that works and I track vans and many people would have to be in on it" which I've already explained.

[wolfy 12]

I must say though, I love the "the signal would bounce straight off the atmosphere" argument.

 

How does that explain the fact we can see the moon and the stars? Wouldn't the light waves also" bounce off the atmosphere"? Wouldn't the light of the sun also "bounce off the atmosphere"?

They do..what do you think the nice blue sky is?

 

Scattered light of an agitated atmosphere.

[The Fish 10833]

I'm not refusing any test.

 

Binoculars pick up a blob of light, that's it, there is no ISS shape.

You say you suffer radio network problems yet you say it works by satellite?

 

You can sit there and tell me I'm wrong all day long but you are not putting anything forward that convinces me of anything other than telling me I'm wrong and using words like," I've told you how this works and that works and I track vans and many people would have to be in on it" which I've already explained.

I'm stating that if you go to a field with a pair of binoculars you will see the ISS, not a blob of light but something that is very obviously a man made structure.

 

You've asked to be convinced but you simply dismiss anything anyone says. So what's the point? You've locked into your mindset and are refusing evidence to the contrary.

 

You're just an attention seeker.

[Gemmill 44719]

Why are people posting in this thread man? There HAS to be something better for you to be doing

[Renton 21534]

Why are people posting in this thread man? There HAS to be something better for you to be doing

 

You would not believe how bored I am. Watching the Olympics as well though. Really enjoying it actually.

[wolfy 12]

I'm stating that if you go to a field with a pair of binoculars you will see the ISS, not a blob of light but something that is very obviously a man made structure.

 

You've asked to be convinced but you simply dismiss anything anyone says. So what's the point? You've locked into your mindset and are refusing evidence to the contrary.

 

You're just an attention seeker.

If I'm an attention seeker then don;t give me any attention, how hard can that be?

[Renton 21534]

Wolfy, go to google images, enter ISS binoculars. If you dispute what you see, do it yourself ffs! Hardly rocket science (pun intended).

[Christmas Tree 4725]

Wolfy, go to google images, enter ISS binoculars. If you dispute what you see, do it yourself ffs! Hardly rocket science (pun intended).

 

Dont let them fool you Wolfy

 

 

 

[BigWalrus 0]

They do..what do you think the nice blue sky is?

 

Scattered light of an agitated atmosphere.

 

Aye, but clearly, a canny bit of light is getting through, otherwise we'd be in complete darkness!

[PaddockLad 17233]

_{Wait till Wolfy gets a load of this later this morning....}

 

_{http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-19078494}

[Christmas Tree 4725]

First pictures sent back.

 

[JawD 99]

 

Im interested in the Mars landing by curiosity etc, but my Twitter stream is so full of team america atm "America, FUCK YEAH!" which does my head in

[Meenzer 15491]

Got to appreciate any rover that's meme-savvy enough to tweet "GALE CRATER I AM IN YOU!!!".

[Andrew 4737]

Got to appreciate any rover that's meme-savvy enough to tweet "GALE CRATER I AM IN YOU!!!".

 

Saw that, loved it

[Happy Face 29]

Loved the pictures of 50 nerds going mental in a room.

 

What's the collective noun for a group of nerds?

 

An array?

[Meenzer 15491]

What's the collective noun for a group of nerds?

 

An array?

 

Like it. I humbly submit "a pocket protector of nerds".

[Happy Face 29]

 

a ctrl-a of nerds