Moon Landings

[wolfy 12]

Answer the question. How can scientists predict within millionths of a second where and when the next eclipse of the sun will take place using the standard model of the solar system if this model is bogus?

 

You've never answered any questions about retrograde planetary motion yet either.

Can you calculate the eclipse?

[wolfy 12]

Dinosaurs?

Good question.

Are they from 65 million years ago?

 

The calculations for many things on this planet for stuff like dinosaurs are laughable in the extreme when they can't even determine the age of a human skeleton with guesses ranging from thousands of years down to hundreds.

 

Fossil fuels is another scam, I believe.

[Brock Manson 0]

Fossil

Good question.

Are they from 65 million years ago?

 

The calculations for many things on this planet for stuff like dinosaurs are laughable in the extreme when they can't even determine the age of a human skeleton with guesses ranging from thousands of years down to hundreds.

 

Fossil fuels is another scam, I believe.

 

What possible reason would leave you to believe that fossil fuel is a scam?

[Renton 21528]

Can you calculate the eclipse?

 

My mate can. What's your point? Why not answer the question?

Edited August 14, 2012 by Renton

[ChezGiven 0]

Whats the objective here? "oooh look, someone i can prove wrong on the internet!!"

[wolfy 12]

My mate can. What's your point? Why not answer the question?

I'm interested in your mates calculations.

 

I'm not going to spend time putting out calculations for my theory as it's not only boring for anyone looking, it doesn't keep things simple.

Just accept that the theory I go with works just the same as the bullshit official theory were are all told to accept as FACT.

[ADP 0]

It's easy to see why people will not question authority as a dog doesn't question it's master.

 

But people do though. You seem to suggest that there is something innate in humans that they enjoy being subordinated. But you are wrong. Look at the beginning of enlightened thought, the Romantic/French revolution. Perhaps the most important historical event in modern history, as it was science that catalysed it. Diderot's Encyclopaedia and Louis XV's banning of it for the 'damage that results from it in regard to morality and religion' exemplifies this. Science was then, as it remains now, a searching for understanding and comprehending life and the universe. It is as artistic as a painting, and requires as much technicality as the most complex lock would require of a locksmith. It is not a means to subordinate people, but a means to lift said subordination. For thousands of years men and women have attempted, through trial and error passed down from each generation, to inch us closer to truth, and many have done so in secrecy for fear of their own lives. To state that there is truth in simplicity is an insult to that process. There is no doubt that some of the most accepted theories now will be proven incorrect in the close or distant future. But that is the nature of science, as it always has been. You seem to understand the workings of the universe in a 'seeing-is-believing' sense. Can you not see how absurd that is? Positivism of that sort died out in the early 20th century, yet you proclaim it as if it is an innovation. It is not, it is simply contrary to what has evolved from it. It is like saying that a tree is more made of wood than a wooden stool. I admire you in a way Wolfy, I admire your vehemence and passion. Yet I pity you (and I know you don't want my pity, but I just can't help feeling it), because you are so stubborn to accept that there is more to life than what you see. By being so stubborn, perhaps you have shown what is truly innate in humans - suspicion and questioning authority. This is where science came from in the first place. Not a means to present an alternative governing body to the church, not to earn dirty money for the 'fat cats', but to question the status quo in a healthy, logical manner. You sadly seem incapable of doing the latter.

Edited August 14, 2012 by ADP

[Kevin Carr's Gloves 3880]

I'm interested in your mates calculations.

 

I'm not going to spend time putting out calculations for my theory as it's not only boring for anyone looking, it doesn't keep things simple.

Just accept that the theory I go with works just the same as the bullshit official theory were are all told to accept as FACT.

ha ha ha!!

[wolfy 12]

Whats the objective here? "oooh look, someone i can prove wrong on the internet!!"

My objective is simple topics that create interest for everyone to have their say and everyone to theorise things and put forward some of their own stuff which would make it more interesting.

 

It's not about who is right and who is wrong for me, that's why I call it all, THEORY.

We all have our own minds and we are all capable of thinking outside the box if we want to.

Some people are afraid to do that because they fear ridicule, yet it's just a forum so it's hard to feel intimidated unless people allow it.

 

We all come on these forums to talk about Newcastle...football in general and sport in general, plus worldwide topics involving anything and everything.

People read them or contribute and that's what makes it interesting.

Some topics won't be everyone's cup of tea but you will always find one person who will enter into to tell someone that it's boring lol

 

Nobody gets any brownie points in my book but I'm interested in anyone's take on topics that create interest.

[Renton 21528]

I'm interested in your mates calculations.

 

I'm not going to spend time putting out calculations for my theory as it's not only boring for anyone looking, it doesn't keep things simple.

Just accept that the theory I go with works just the same as the bullshit official theory were are all told to accept as FACT.

 

Occam's razor fits the model as astronomers tell it. You are the one making things ridiculously complicated in you belief millions of astronomers are lying to you.

[ChezGiven 0]

My objective is simple topics that create interest for everyone to have their say and everyone to theorise things and put forward some of their own stuff which would make it more interesting.

 

It's not about who is right and who is wrong for me, that's why I call it all, THEORY.

We all have our own minds and we are all capable of thinking outside the box if we want to.

Some people are afraid to do that because they fear ridicule, yet it's just a forum so it's hard to feel intimidated unless people allow it.

 

We all come on these forums to talk about Newcastle...football in general and sport in general, plus worldwide topics involving anything and everything.

People read them or contribute and that's what makes it interesting.

Some topics won't be everyone's cup of tea but you will always find one person who will enter into to tell someone that it's boring lol

 

Nobody gets any brownie points in my book but I'm interested in anyone's take on topics that create interest.

Exactly.

[wolfy 12]

But people do though. You seem to suggest that there is something innate in humans that they enjoy being subordinated. But you are wrong. Look at the beginning of enlightened thought, the Romantic/French revolution. Perhaps the most important historical event in modern history, as it was science that catalysed it. Diderot's Encyclopaedia and Louis XV's banning of it for the 'damage that results from it in regard to morality and religion' exemplifies this. Science was then, as it remains now, a searching for understanding and comprehending life and the universe. It is as artistic as a painting, and requires as much technicality as the most complex lock would require of a locksmith. It is not a means to subordinate people, but a means to lift said subordination. For thousands of years men and women have attempted, through trial and error passed down from each generation, to inch us closer to truth, and many have done so in secrecy for fear of their own lives. To state that there is truth in simplicity is an insult to that process. There is no doubt that some of the most accepted theories now will be proven incorrect in the close or distant future. But that is the nature of science, as it always has been. You seem to understand the workings of the universe in a 'seeing-is-believing' sense. Can you not see how absurd that is? Positivism of that sort died out in the early 20th century, yet you proclaim it as if it is an innovation. It is not, it is simply contrary to what has evolved from it. It is like saying that a tree is more made of wood than a wooden stool. I admire you in a way Wolfy, I admire your vehemence and passion. Yet I pity you (and I know you don't want my pity, but I just can't help feeling it), because you are so stubborn to accept that there is more to life than what you see. By being so stubborn, perhaps you have shown what is truly innate in humans - suspicion and questioning authority. This is where science came from in the first place. Not a means to present an alternative governing body to the church, not to earn dirty money for the 'fat cats', but to question the status quo in a healthy, logical manner. You sadly seem incapable of doing the latter.

That's a fair enough speech.

 

I admit I do look at things in a more simplified manner because life on Earth is more simplified than is made out but throughout time, it has been made more complicated the more advanced we've become.

 

Life is ruled by red tape, I think we can all agree on that.

Humans are born to MIMIC, that's what we do. We can only mimic what we see and we can only grow up with what we are taught.

 

Of course, as in every part of life for any animal on this planet, there are some that don't conform to the pack and go a lone WOLF if you like.

The minority cannot and will not change the majority, so the majority wins whether it's by force feeding beliefs or by force alone.

 

I don't question authority in everyday life, I just go about my day like everyone else and I'm not the bloke who stands on a corner with a banner proclaiming that the end of the world is nigh."

 

One thing we all possess is the ability to think for ourselves and whether that thinking turns out to be flawed remains to be seen for those who have alternative theories to anything.

 

I see so much bullshit in the media that is clear to me is a scam, that I look into it and then question it for my own satisfaction and I can discuss things on forums and such like which will create an interest and a conversation which will mainly always result in me being the minority.

 

There's a lot of things we have been brought up to believe are true and it's up to each person to decide if they are all true or if some require questions and answers.

I find a lot of stuff needs further questioning and there are some people that come up with very plausible theories both for and against.

[wolfy 12]

Occam's razor fits the model as astronomers tell it. You are the one making things ridiculously complicated in you belief millions of astronomers are lying to you.

Millions of astronomers are not lying to me.

Millions of astronomers are following a pattern given to them by a top level tefal head who has schooled them all into following the pattern which they have set, so they blindly go along with it as the pattern appears plausible enough so why question it.

 

I used to believe what I was told, until I decided to question stuff and the moon landings were the first things that made me question things.

[ChezGiven 0]

Wolfy, i highly recommend you read Popper's evolutionary epistemology which sets down how the nature of knowledge and knowledge acquisition. He shows that the what we know of the evolutionary model as we observe it in action, is a profoundly beautiful abstraction of the knowledge acquisition process. He details this using single-cell biology as well as human research into our genomic structure and the principles of scientific research in medicine. Let me know what you think of it.

[Meenzer 15489]

Of course, as in every part of life for any animal on this planet, there are some that don't conform to the pack and go a lone WOLF if you like.

The minority cannot and will not change the majority, so the majority wins whether it's by force feeding beliefs or by force alone.

 

Interestingly, at no point in that argument do you allow for the possibility that the majority are correct. But sometimes "we" must be, even in your worldview.

[wolfy 12]

Wolfy, i highly recommend you read Popper's evolutionary epistemology which sets down how the nature of knowledge and knowledge acquisition. He shows that the what we know of the evolutionary model as we observe it in action, is a profoundly beautiful abstraction of the knowledge acquisition process. He details this using single-cell biology as well as human research into our genomic structure and the principles of scientific research in medicine. Let me know what you think of it.

Ok I've put it in favourites and I'll have a look at it over the week.

[wolfy 12]

Interestingly, at no point in that argument do you allow for the possibility that the majority are correct. But sometimes "we" must be, even in your worldview.

Because whether the majority are correct or not, in their mind, they are correct. I don;t discount the fact that the majority will be correct on many things but it all depends on what that is.

We are emotional humans and we can be swayed by emotion whether it's sad or a feel good factor emotion.

The media can and does play on our emotions and is why Americans stand proud when moon landings and stuff get sold to them because it gives them a sense of power over the rest of the world, so they go along with that unconditionally.

 

That's how the propaganda machine gets countries into wars. They use emotion to gain public condemnation of a country who they are force fed media hype propaganda from and demand the country acts. Job done.

[Meenzer 15489]

Because whether the majority are correct or not, in their mind, they are correct. I don;t discount the fact that the majority will be correct on many things but it all depends on what that is.

We are emotional humans and we can be swayed by emotion whether it's sad or a feel good factor emotion.

The media can and does play on our emotions and is why Americans stand proud when moon landings and stuff get sold to them because it gives them a sense of power over the rest of the world, so they go along with that unconditionally.

 

That's how the propaganda machine gets countries into wars. They use emotion to gain public condemnation of a country who they are force fed media hype propaganda from and demand the country acts. Job done.

 

You should be in the Olympic Legacy thread. There's a certain degree of crossover here.

[wolfy 12]

You should be in the Olympic Legacy thread. There's a certain degree of crossover here.

Ok , ok, so I wear our lasses gear now and again when she's at the shops, I admit that but she has some outstanding frocks and the impulse is too much to bear at time.

 

Oops. sorry I thought you said I was a cross dresser.

[Renton 21528]

Millions of astronomers are not lying to me.

Millions of astronomers are following a pattern given to them by a top level tefal head who has schooled them all into following the pattern which they have set, so they blindly go along with it as the pattern appears plausible enough so why question it.

 

I used to believe what I was told, until I decided to question stuff and the moon landings were the first things that made me question things.

 

Forget the moon landings. I'm talking about your even stranger beliefs here. Using the standard heliocentric model of the solar system an astronomer can show with pin point accuracy when and where the next eclipse will take place using nothing more than a pen, paper, and calculator. This being the case, how can you dispute the accuracy of the model? Why can't your model predict eclipses? Please answer.

[wolfy 12]

Forget the moon landings. I'm talking about your even stranger beliefs here. Using the standard heliocentric model of the solar system an astronomer can show with pin point accuracy when and where the next eclipse will take place using nothing more than a pen, paper, and calculator. This being the case, how can you dispute the accuracy of the model? Why can't your model predict eclipses? Please answer.

The model that we are told to accept is a bunch of calculations shoehorned to fit everything that's questioned.

They even had to change the speed of the moons orbit to shoehorn their science to fit the rotating Earth theory.

They have the moon rotating at about 10mph.

The rotating Earth had many problems with it but ,so Einstein (supposedly) made up a series of calculations that only the extremely cleverest people on the planet could make any sense of.

All calculations done today are done because of shoehorned ridiculously complicated maths to account for the moon and other planets so called rotations which the average Joe would explode trying to work out.

 

With the new speed of the moon's orbit and rotation, it's simple for those who are interested to actually calculate stuff but it's all based on everything made to fit the model.

 

It's complicated and I don;t want to bore people on here to explain this, so if anyone is interested , look up Einstein's wrong theory or lies or whatever to see how he come to make up stuff to fit.

 

When they need to bullshit the masses with space and such all they do is amaze you with the science and fry your brain with the maths.

[Park Life 71]

Ok I've put it in favourites and I'll have a look at it over the week.

 

[Blaydon 0]

Utter lunacy tbh

[The Fish 10832]

I can't call you or anyone a liar. You have been schooled in life like we all have. You were trained to do your job like we all were.

 

An aircraft mechanic could be so adept at fixing planes that he could do it blindfolded, yet he might know jack shit about flying one.

When you get a puppy, you train it to go and do it business outside and train it to sit for reward. Eventually as the dog grows up, it knows your commands inside out and will protect you with it's life.

If someone comes along and tries to teach it differently to what you taught it, it will play ignorance because it's life is dedicated to you and your commands.

We are trained in exactly the same type of way.

If you do your homework on time and answer the questions that they tell you are correct, you get a pat on the back or a gold star or even a lolly in some cases, right up to a certificate that makes you smile and beam like the dog wagging it's tail when it does good.

 

We all like to think we are smart by what we achieve in whatever subject we choose to focus on but in 99.9% of cases, it's all been schooled into us and we are programmed to respond.

It's the reason we have armies. They will be trained and march in formation and fight to the death against another trained soldier. They know how to strip their rifles down and use them efficiently. They take orders and obey them. If they disobey, they are punished.

They will go to war in any country and fight for years against other armies without actually knowing what they are fighting against, except what they were told is a war on TERROR.

 

We are simply programmed skin and bone robots that follow orders and absorb and use what we have been programmed to use.

 

How many people have heard the saying. " you are not paid to think, You are paid to work."

In bullshit science, people are the opposite because they are paid to think up the next round of bullshit but it doesn't apply to all science. Just the science that is needed to cream off the excess dollars out of the generous public.

 

It's easy to see why people will not question authority as a dog doesn't question it's master.

 

The difference between your examples and what I'm saying is massive. I agree that the man who builds the piston that turns the gear which spins the propeller that allows the plane to take flight, may not be able to fly the thing. But Ant understands the code that lets us post on this web, he can build the code into a website and can use the website too, Luckyluke understands the body and it's requirements, he can administer drugs to help the body deal with injuries or illness and he can use his body too.

 

I'm not saying I build a circuit board which goes in the handset, for god's sake. I'm saying I manage the network. My 'product' is a working network. That's what I do and I'm telling you that a radio relay network cannot provide the kind of service we experience. It physically can't do it. In the same way a guy can build a kitcar from scratch, can drive it and can tell you that the kit car cannot make you a cheeseburger.

 

 

I am 100% sure in my own mind that the moon landings are fake.

I don't have any distrust of the intelligent as intelligence is what every person has, it just happens to be in a different form.

A boffin could design you a kitchen but he might not have the know how to fit that kitchen. Who's the more intelligent? Him or the fitter?

Intelligence doesn't mean what you think it means.

 

You're talking about two different things. A fitter is simply applying taught skills. He could be a genius, or a moron. The scientists you distrust so much are actually doing what you wish that you were doing. They're challenging conventional thought, they're seeking evidence and proof of their theories, they're looking at statements like "the Universe is still expanding" and saying 'Well, if that were true, if the parts of the universe are still moving from it's origin we should be able to measure it." They're not (as you do) saying "well I know in my head it's definitely true" Because that's as rational as saying "I know in my head that it's 100% perfectly reasonable to pay for my sandwich by groping the serving girl and spitting in the register"

 

A genius could be a capable binman, and he could be a capable scientist. A moron could be a capable binman, he couldn't be a capable scientist.

[ChezGiven 0]

Your 'because i'm bored' excuse is wearing a bit thin tbh.