LeazesMag 0 Posted July 24, 2012 Share Posted July 24, 2012 I often think that people in the US are more likely to end up brutally deranged because the society is so individualistic and lacks compassion. The psychological impact of how they organise themselves socially could potentially be a factor. There is no nanny state (which most of them love) but that means their care systems and social services can be non-existent. That helps to explain clearly the violence in working class (and lower) communities in the US but i also think that their middle class culture which is reflective of their overall culture alienates and isolates certain people and that turns around and bites them on the arse. Guns are an important part of the debate but Canada has more gun ownership but doesnt face the same issues. which indicates ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeazesMag 0 Posted July 24, 2012 Share Posted July 24, 2012 Why? It doesn't contradict anything I've said. You still seriously proposing we stop gun control in this country do you can shoot burglars? what would you do if you woke up in the middle of the night and found someone burgling your house ? Ask them to go away or something ? You're mad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gemmill 46027 Posted July 24, 2012 Share Posted July 24, 2012 He'd attack them with a rolled up copy of the Guardian. If push comes to shove, maybe kick one of his sandals off and go to town on the bloke. Is that the answer you're looking for? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ewerk 31195 Posted July 24, 2012 Share Posted July 24, 2012 Leazes, have you ever had your house burgled while you were asleep? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sniffer 0 Posted July 24, 2012 Share Posted July 24, 2012 Two anedotes I've rehashed from memory about Americans from an old British soldier and a U-Boat crewman. Tommy: "When the Germans shot you ducked. When we shot, the Germans ducked. When the Yanks shot everyone ducked." Fritz: "We would sail off the coastline near New York down the Eastern seaboard, the American civilians would all drive out in their cars and face their headlights out to sea so they could try and spot U-Boats and also get a good view of any explosions going on off the coast. We would wait until enough cars turned their lights on and would then surface and torpedo all the ships their headlights silhouetted. We called this our Golden period when the US first entered the war as up to that point the British and Canadians had been starting to get on top of the Wolf Packs in the middle of the Atlantic and were taking a heavy toll on our boats." No need for anecdotes. From the horses mouth, my grandfather who was in it : Without America we would have been fucked. And, the japs got what they deserved after what they did. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Renton 21985 Posted July 24, 2012 Share Posted July 24, 2012 what would you do if you woke up in the middle of the night and found someone burgling your house ? Ask them to go away or something ? You're mad. What would you do? And which scenario would you prefer, they possessed a legal gun or didn't. Have you thought this through? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gemmill 46027 Posted July 24, 2012 Share Posted July 24, 2012 They might have a gun, but have they got Stephen Leather's entire back catalogue on their bookshelf? Chalk this one up for Bravo Two Dickhead. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeazesMag 0 Posted July 24, 2012 Share Posted July 24, 2012 No need for anecdotes. From the horses mouth, my grandfather who was in it : Without America we would have been fucked. And, the japs got what they deserved after what they did. absolutely, whatever the yanks faults, it's a bit daft to blame them for all the world's ills. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeazesMag 0 Posted July 24, 2012 Share Posted July 24, 2012 (edited) What would you do? And which scenario would you prefer, they possessed a legal gun or didn't. Have you thought this through? sadly, in such a scenario, time to think usually isn't an option. Most sensible people, rather than idealistic students, realise that. Edited July 24, 2012 by LeazesMag Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ewerk 31195 Posted July 24, 2012 Share Posted July 24, 2012 So you want a gun in a situation where you admit that you haven't got time to think about your actions? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeazesMag 0 Posted July 24, 2012 Share Posted July 24, 2012 by the way, it's the death penalty for the bloke responsible for this massacre. No excuses, no buts, no question. RIP all those killed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ewerk 31195 Posted July 24, 2012 Share Posted July 24, 2012 by the way, it's the death penalty for the bloke responsible for this massacre. No excuses, no buts, no question. That decision is going to be taken in consultation with the victims' families. Not on your say so. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CleeToonFan 1 Posted July 24, 2012 Share Posted July 24, 2012 No need for anecdotes. From the horses mouth, my grandfather who was in it : Without America we would have been fucked. And, the japs got what they deserved after what they did. In my opinion the Japanese were worse than the Germans. Nanking being the prime example. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gemmill 46027 Posted July 24, 2012 Share Posted July 24, 2012 "But... But... But....!" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Renton 21985 Posted July 24, 2012 Share Posted July 24, 2012 sadly, in such a scenario, time to think usually isn't an option. Most sensible people, rather than idealistic students, realise that. Not going to answer the question? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gemmill 46027 Posted July 24, 2012 Share Posted July 24, 2012 In my opinion the Japanese were worse than the Germans. Nanking being the prime example. Are you telling me you've never done it?! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Renton 21985 Posted July 24, 2012 Share Posted July 24, 2012 In my opinion the Japanese were worse than the Germans. Nanking being the prime example. It's complicated, but to say civilians in Nagasaki in particular 'deserved it' is a bit sick, wouldn't you say? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Renton 21985 Posted July 24, 2012 Share Posted July 24, 2012 Are you telling me you've never done it?! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeazesMag 0 Posted July 24, 2012 Share Posted July 24, 2012 (edited) That decision is going to be taken in consultation with the victims' families. Not on your say so. hopefully there won't be too many ex students among them. Edited July 24, 2012 by LeazesMag Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CleeToonFan 1 Posted July 24, 2012 Share Posted July 24, 2012 I'm not saying that, but did the citizens of Dresden deserve it either? Both were cunts tricks by Allies, neither sets of civilians deserved it, only saying that I understand a serviceman of the time believing they did deserve it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CleeToonFan 1 Posted July 24, 2012 Share Posted July 24, 2012 Are you telling me you've never done it?! Can't reach Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Renton 21985 Posted July 24, 2012 Share Posted July 24, 2012 sadly, in such a scenario, time to think usually isn't an option. Most sensible people, rather than idealistic students, realise that. Struggling to answer still? I'll give you my answer then. In the event I was burgled I'd prefer the burglar didn't have a gun. I'd also prefer for us to both be unarmed rather than both of us having guns. As I would never keep a gun by my bedside though, even if I lived in the US where the homicide rate is many times our own, the last scenario isn't going to happen. So legalisation of fire arms really isn't going to help me out much. Your turn. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Renton 21985 Posted July 24, 2012 Share Posted July 24, 2012 hopefully there won't be too many ex students among them. You'd think you'd respect their wishes a bit more and not make such ridiculous flippant remarks in your desire for bloodlust. Especially since you support new laws which would clearly facillitate such tragedies in the future. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeazesMag 0 Posted July 24, 2012 Share Posted July 24, 2012 Struggling to answer still? I'll give you my answer then. In the event I was burgled I'd prefer the burglar didn't have a gun. I'd also prefer for us to both be unarmed rather than both of us having guns. As I would never keep a gun by my bedside though, even if I lived in the US where the homicide rate is many times our own, the last scenario isn't going to happen. So legalisation of fire arms really isn't going to help me out much. Your turn. I'd prefer all burglars to be good boys, but unfortunately, they aren't. I said "anything goes" by the way, not necessarily shoot them, if they smash their head in with a baseball bat, thats OK too, you should read properly, and I stand by that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Renton 21985 Posted July 24, 2012 Share Posted July 24, 2012 How does that answer the question? Can you actually read? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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