Brock Manson 0 Posted July 20, 2012 Share Posted July 20, 2012 Channel 4 News interviewing Ice T. Wtf. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Face 29 Posted July 20, 2012 Share Posted July 20, 2012 Channel 4 News interviewing Ice T. Wtf. He's got a film out Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NJS 4411 Posted July 20, 2012 Share Posted July 20, 2012 I don't think its as simple as gun availability - though it doesn't help - I've read arguments that Canada has similar levels of gun ownership and a similar-ish culture but a far lesser gun crime rate. That may of course be due to less inequality/poverty which doesn't affect this paricular scenario of the lone shooting spree. I think you have to look deepr at the culture and the country's history to try and understand why they are so obviously in love with guns. Of course a greater abundance of people who think its a good idea to go on such a spree is another question that's hard to answer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Renton 21986 Posted July 20, 2012 Share Posted July 20, 2012 I don't think its as simple as gun availability - though it doesn't help - I've read arguments that Canada has similar levels of gun ownership and a similar-ish culture but a far lesser gun crime rate. That may of course be due to less inequality/poverty which doesn't affect this paricular scenario of the lone shooting spree. I think you have to look deepr at the culture and the country's history to try and understand why they are so obviously in love with guns. Of course a greater abundance of people who think its a good idea to go on such a spree is another question that's hard to answer. Killing sprees are still relatively rare though. The shear weight of population of the US compared with Canada would explain the phenomenon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ewerk 31196 Posted July 20, 2012 Share Posted July 20, 2012 Are fatties more likely to kill? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trophyshy 7084 Posted July 20, 2012 Share Posted July 20, 2012 At the apex of consumerist capitalism, not too far ahead of us, they perhaps grow up feeling even less connected to humanity than we do with a sugary glistening coat of 'life is iust swell!' which must stick in the throat at times. At least we have the socially acceptable outlet of moaning to each other. Besides, if I had a gun in the cinema and some CW started kicking my seat then, I'm sorry, but it's fucking goodnight Vienna. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LoveTheBobby 1 Posted July 20, 2012 Share Posted July 20, 2012 Just slurping their 2 litre carton of pop and I'd be off . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kid Dynamite 7169 Posted July 21, 2012 Share Posted July 21, 2012 WASHINGTON—Americans across the nation confirmed today that, unfortunately, due to their extreme familiarity with the type of tragedy that occurred in a Colorado movie theater last night, they sadly know exactly how the events following the horrific shooting of 12 people will unfold. While admitting they "absolutely hate" the fact they have this knowledge, the nation's 300 million citizens told reporters they can pinpoint down to the hour when the first candlelight vigil will be held, roughly how many people will attend, how many times the county sheriff will address the media in the coming weeks, and when the town-wide memorial service will be held. Additionally, sources nationwide took no pleasure in confirming that some sort of video recording, written material, or disturbing photographs made by the shooter will be surfacing in about an hour or two. "I hate to say it, but we as Americans are basically experts at this kind of thing by now,” said 45-year-old market analyst Jared Gerson, adding that the number of media images of Aurora, CO citizens crying and looking shocked is “pretty much right in line with where it usually is at this point." "The calls not to politicize the tragedy should be starting in an hour, but by 1:30 p.m. tomorrow the issue will have been politicized. Also, I wouldn’t be surprised if the shooter’s high school classmate is interviewed within 45 minutes." "It's like clockwork," said Gerson, who sighed, shook his head, and walked away. According to the nation's citizenry, calls for a mature, thoughtful debate about the role of guns in American society started right on time, and should persist throughout the next week or so. However, the populace noted, the debate will soon spiral out of control and ultimately lead to nothing of any substance, a fact Americans everywhere acknowledged they felt "absolutely horrible" to be aware of. With scalpel-like precision, the American populace then went on to predict, to the minute, how long it will take for the media to swarm Aurora, CO, how long it will take for them to leave, and exactly when questions will be raised as to whether or not violence in movies and video games had something to do with the act. The nation's citizens also confirmed that, any time now, some religious figure or cable news personality will say something unbelievably insensitive about the tragic shooting. "Unfortunately, I've been through this a lot, and I pretty much have it down to a science when President Obama will visit Colorado, when he will meet with the families of those who lost loved ones, and when he will give his big speech that people will call 'unifying' and 'very presidential,'" Jacksonville resident Amy Brennen, 32, said, speaking for every other person in the country. "Nothing really surprises me when it comes to this kind of thing anymore. And that makes me feel terrible." "Oh, and here's another thing I hate I know," Brennen continued, "In exactly two weeks this will all be over and it will be like it never happened." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toonpack 9940 Posted July 21, 2012 Share Posted July 21, 2012 According to those stats I gave you, the murder rate in the US is over 5 times that of the UK, and 2/3 of them are committed with guns. Only an idiot couldn't see a causal link. It's the fact that there are 5 times as many people prepared to kill that's the problem, the gun in itself is not the cause.Anyway comparing the UK to the US is somewhat false, a comparison of continental Europe to the US would be more appropriate In 2010 there were 12,996 murders in the US 8,775 were by firearm, that's still over 4,000 "other" murders, even if you could take away all the gun deaths you've still got a sizeable "murder" problem. The issue is the number people prepared to kill, not the means of dispensing death. btw 2/3 of the gun murders are in the black community. It's a social/ethnic problem not a gun problem per se. http://www.guardian....-crime-us-state up to 2009 stats: http://webappa.cdc.gov/sasweb/ncipc/leadcaus10_us.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Face 29 Posted July 21, 2012 Share Posted July 21, 2012 IT'S THE ETHNICS! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Face 29 Posted July 21, 2012 Share Posted July 21, 2012 Was the killer here ethnic btw? Think it was just a black outfit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ewerk 31196 Posted July 21, 2012 Share Posted July 21, 2012 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Howmanheyman 33837 Posted July 21, 2012 Share Posted July 21, 2012 Basically do we think it's ok to have guns available to all and sundry? Personally I'd rather not see that happen in this country and unless we see someone with enough balls to tackle this in the US then this will crop up throughout the years. A lunatic can kill more people with a gun than a knife. It really is that simple. I thought TP's initial response was that you couldn't change the gun policy over there which is a point if debatable but he now seems to be almost pro the US citizens owning weapons unless I'm missing his point? I'd hate the idea of everyone in my street owning a gun put it that way! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gemmill 46027 Posted July 21, 2012 Share Posted July 21, 2012 Aye it's on the news that this dickhead was able to walk into shops and legally buy multiple guns and then ordered over 6,000 rounds in the run up to this incident. But yeah the guns aren't the issue, cos nutters will be nutters! Load of shit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brock Manson 0 Posted July 21, 2012 Share Posted July 21, 2012 Was the killer here ethnic btw? Think it was just a black outfit. I read yesterday that it was a white guy who claimed he was the Joker when they arrested him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toonpack 9940 Posted July 21, 2012 Share Posted July 21, 2012 IT'S THE ETHNICS! That is not what I said Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toonpack 9940 Posted July 21, 2012 Share Posted July 21, 2012 Aye it's on the news that this dickhead was able to walk into shops and legally buy multiple guns and then ordered over 6,000 rounds in the run up to this incident. But yeah the guns aren't the issue, cos nutters will be nutters! Load of shit. McVeigh killed 168 people without a gun, Shipman killed 175, nutters will absolutely be nutters Anyone who is capable of murder is a nutter, if they don't have a gun they'll find something else, if they are that way inclined. The problem isn't the gun. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NJS 4411 Posted July 21, 2012 Share Posted July 21, 2012 (edited) I might be wrong but Colorado is I think a semi-sensible state compared with others in terms of concealed wepon carrying but it's interesting how TP used the "defending the home" argument for guns in general. I can't imagine how many more people would die in incidents like this if a few people pulled guns and started having a wild west type shootout. I suppose its possible it could limit the deaths if someone got lucky early doors but in general I think it would be worse. I find the idea of ostensibly "sensible" people walking around with guns just as frightening as nutters. Edited July 21, 2012 by NJS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monroe Transfer 0 Posted July 21, 2012 Share Posted July 21, 2012 (edited) On a slightly related note there Toonpack (not being pedantic, just emphasing how awful he was), I think Shipman murdered more than 250, with more not positively confirmed as victims of his. In a way he's more evil than the likes of Holmes/McVeigh as he knew his victims personally and was in a position of trust with them. And on top of that he forged wills and the like, causing furher misery to the families of his victims. Edited July 21, 2012 by Monroe Transfer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gemmill 46027 Posted July 21, 2012 Share Posted July 21, 2012 So what would this kid have used to kill/injure this many people if he couldn't get his hands on guns and 6000 bullets so readily? Semi automatic pea shooter? Nutters are nutters, but when you make guns readily available to them, their nuttiness takes on an entirely different dimension and scale. It's patently obvious that guns ARE a huge part of the problem. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DEADMAN 0 Posted July 21, 2012 Share Posted July 21, 2012 shows why i will never go to the us because they have weak gun laws over there anyone can own a hand gun. yea and guess what near that cinema just down the road from it theres a gun shop selling gun powder i mean seriously wtf. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Renton 21986 Posted July 22, 2012 Share Posted July 22, 2012 (edited) McVeigh killed 168 people without a gun, Shipman killed 175, nutters will absolutely be nutters Anyone who is capable of murder is a nutter, if they don't have a gun they'll find something else, if they are that way inclined. The problem isn't the gun. I find your argument is borderline deranged. Edited July 22, 2012 by Renton Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kitman 2207 Posted July 22, 2012 Share Posted July 22, 2012 Terrible tragedies like this seem to happen on a regular basis in the USA. If guns were kept out of the hands of the general public I don't believe the same sort of carnage would occur. It's not just that making bombs is difficult to pull off and beyond the expertise of most people; it's also that gun crime seems to fuel the fantasy of these sick bastards. They want to be there committing the murders, living out their fantasy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Renton 21986 Posted July 22, 2012 Share Posted July 22, 2012 Exactly. I get the impression TP wouldn't support a ban because he likes to 'pack lead' himself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Park Life 71 Posted July 22, 2012 Share Posted July 22, 2012 18 times more likely to be killed by a bad doctor than a handgun in the U.S. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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