OTF 7295 Posted January 4, 2013 Share Posted January 4, 2013 Excellent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Asprilla 96 Posted January 4, 2013 Share Posted January 4, 2013 Matt Debuchy on the right hand side. [/Musical Youth] Very good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Face 29 Posted January 4, 2013 Share Posted January 4, 2013 For all the talk of his crossing being better than Simpson, not one of his balls in this video find a team-mate in the box. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trophyshy 7083 Posted January 4, 2013 Share Posted January 4, 2013 (edited) For all the talk of his crossing being better than Simpson, not one of his balls in this video find a team-mate in the box. Poor fuckers not even played yet and you're already slating him! Edited January 4, 2013 by trophyshy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Face 29 Posted January 4, 2013 Share Posted January 4, 2013 Poor fuckers not even played yet and you're already slating him! Sorry. Just commenting on what I've been browsing. I am very happy he's here. Never joined in with the slating of Simpson for his crossing which I thought was harsh. Think all the talk of Debuchy's crossing ability the past few months has made me look back on the Euros with rose tinted specs. Those games are all i've saw of him and looking back at them now his crossing wasn't all that. He's probably got dozens of assists otherwise. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Kelly 1245 Posted January 4, 2013 Share Posted January 4, 2013 For all the talk of his crossing being better than Simpson, not one of his balls in this video find a team-mate in the box. Aye but did you notice how few of them hit the first man! A few of them were very decent balls too just France weren't getting enough men into the box. I'm sure you could have found a better compilation to post too! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Face 29 Posted January 4, 2013 Share Posted January 4, 2013 Aye but did you notice how few of them hit the first man! A few of them were very decent balls too just France weren't getting enough men into the box. I'm sure you could have found a better compilation to post too! Nah, I was disappointed how few Debuchy vids there were on Youtube. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Kelly 1245 Posted January 4, 2013 Share Posted January 4, 2013 Yeah you're right I've just had a quick look. Most seem to be of him kissing Giroud! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Face 29 Posted January 4, 2013 Share Posted January 4, 2013 Aye but did you notice how few of them hit the first man! A few of them were very decent balls too just France weren't getting enough men into the box. I'm sure you could have found a better compilation to post too! Watching the QPR game I was really happy with the number of balls that were being put in, but frustrated we had no-one arriving in the box to convert them. i would tend to agree that as long as balls are being put into dangerous areas, even if a striker dowesn't arrive, then it'll come good at some point. I was surprised to read the match thread later though and people were hammering Guitirrez et al for the quality of the crossing. Anyway, he's had 8 career assists in 244 games*/**, all competitions, so I'm holding out hope on his defensive play and his support to the right winger much more than his own deliveries. *Simpson has 4 in 177 **Ashley Cole supplied 8 last season alone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Kelly 1245 Posted January 4, 2013 Share Posted January 4, 2013 I'm sure I read somewhere that he had like four or five last season. Mind you I also read that he'd been converted from a winger so if what you say is true he must have had a truly awful record there. Mind you, as someone said in another thread the other day, the assist stat can be very misleading. You can have a massive part in a goal without playing the last pass or you can lay off a little ball to HBA and he can beat four players before twatting it in. One you would get an assist for and one you wouldn't but your importance would be a lot more on the first one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Face 29 Posted January 4, 2013 Share Posted January 4, 2013 I think that sort of anomaly gets ironed out of the stats over a larger number of games, hence the Ashley Cole total being representative of his ability getting forward. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Kelly 1245 Posted January 4, 2013 Share Posted January 4, 2013 Don't know about that (your the statto not me ) but I wouldn't really be expecting a load of assists from a fullback just that he's able to contribute to the attack which is something that Simpson (imo) is totally incapable of. As well as defending. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Face 29 Posted January 4, 2013 Share Posted January 4, 2013 Agreed, I would expect Debuchy to offer lots more to the right wing and keep the opposition left side much more on their toes and concerned about the pairing. Just raised it specifically in response to the gushing that there has been over the quality of his crossing, for example.... We'd have had a field day if we had a right back who could attack or put a decent cross in. Not signing debuchy was a massive fuck up. Its costing us massively Think expectations might be too high if they're expecting an Ashley Cole type, teeing up goals week in, week out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Kelly 1245 Posted January 4, 2013 Share Posted January 4, 2013 I would agree that anyone expecting him to set up goals on a regular basis is kidding themselves but I would think (and I have nothing to back this up) that most of the assists Cole had last season weren't from him whipping balls in. I think what people are expecting from Debuchy is he will get a fair few balls into the box (and not constantly hit the first man like Wilson). Even that comp that you posted showed him doing that. And if he can do that you would hope that some of them would eventually (maybe not a direct assist from him) lead to a goal or chance. Very few (if any) of Simpson's deliveries ever do that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kid Dynamite 7025 Posted January 4, 2013 Share Posted January 4, 2013 Lets remember he's never played in England btw. Took Ben Arfa 6-12 months to look anywhere near as good as he is Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tooj 17 Posted January 4, 2013 Share Posted January 4, 2013 Lets remember he's never played in England btw. Took Ben Arfa 6-12 months to look anywhere near as good as he is Yet Cabaye and Tiote settled instantly. Plus Ben Arfa was dynamite when he first signed under Hughton, it was just a change of circumstances that took him to settle. Return from a career threatening injury, buying into Pardew's ethos etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
@yourservice 67 Posted January 4, 2013 Share Posted January 4, 2013 Did Cabaye not mention how fast the premiership was and it would take him time to get used to it? He was a bit off the pace at the start from what I remember. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kid Dynamite 7025 Posted January 4, 2013 Share Posted January 4, 2013 Yet Cabaye and Tiote settled instantly. Plus Ben Arfa was dynamite when he first signed under Hughton, it was just a change of circumstances that took him to settle. Return from a career threatening injury, buying into Pardew's ethos etc. So are you arguing that players from other leagues don't usually take time to settle into the pace of the premiership? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tooj 17 Posted January 4, 2013 Share Posted January 4, 2013 I'm not saying that at all so there's no need to get on the defensive. All I was saying is that there are examples where players can slot in straight away. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toonpack 9399 Posted January 4, 2013 Share Posted January 4, 2013 So are you arguing that players from other leagues don't usually take time to settle into the pace of the premiership? They are not allowed time to settle, that's why Enrique and Colo (and Anita for that matter) were branded shite by many early doors. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Kelly 1245 Posted January 4, 2013 Share Posted January 4, 2013 Having Cabaye in particular as well as the other Frenchies will hopefully help too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Face 29 Posted January 4, 2013 Share Posted January 4, 2013 There's a difference between saying someone had a shit game and being labelled shit. Not sure anyone here has written off anyone with the potential to improve from our squad, but it's all well and good to say "Ben Arfa was shite today" last year....or "Anita was shite today" this year, without saying they're a waste of money. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Gloom 21915 Posted January 4, 2013 Share Posted January 4, 2013 it took cabaye a few months before he started showing his true quality. he wasn't that impressive at first, but then you wouldn't expect that to be the case as the premiership is the quickest league in the world. same applies to debuchy. we could do with him being one of those signings that hits the ground running though, the situation we find ourselves in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tooj 17 Posted January 4, 2013 Share Posted January 4, 2013 it took cabaye a few months before he started showing his true quality. he wasn't that impressive at first, but then you wouldn't expect that to be the case as the premiership is the quickest league in the world. same applies to debuchy. we could do with him being one of those signings that hits the ground running though, the situation we find ourselves in. He ran the show when I went to watch us away at Villa Park in one of his earlier games. I think he adapted quite quickly, he like many others though showed his best performances when we switched to a 4-3-3 and he was playing in a more advanced position. Hopefully he gets played there on his return. I also think we've massively missed his work rate and ability in defending from the front whilst he has been out injured. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christmas Tree 4725 Posted January 4, 2013 Share Posted January 4, 2013 He was mint at Darlington Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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