TV

[LeazesMag 0]

Brian Clough once said that live TV would kill the game.

 

That hasn't really been proved correct, but how do you think the game has changed due to TV, and how do you think that TV has changed due to the game ?

[PaddockLad 17643]

TV has made everyone an expert. Even Paul Merson.

[NYD 0]

TV saved football, if it wasn't for the Sky money when football was going down the pan, football might well have..gone down the pan ?

As much as I hate the power Sky have, football would be much worse off without it.

And Paul Merson would have killed himself with drink and drugs ! Stupid sky ! !

[Happy Face 29]

Difficult for a young whippersnapper and Keegan bandwagoner like me to comment too much because I only have limited recollections of Pre-Sky football.

 

That said, the day St and Greavsie were pulled off the air was the day football went from boys in the park, jumpers for goalposts (isn't it? Hmm?) to Fifa on the x-box and a shite national team.

 

...and Greavsie called it that way at the time too to be fair. He said on that last show that Sky "would never work", it was more of a shout really, much too loud for live tv, caused his microphone to peak badly, the pong of whisky hanging over him evident even to those of us watching at home waiting for Big Daddy versus Kendo Nagasaki on the wrestling.

 

We went from Italia '90, still the best England performance at a tournament in many of our lifetimes....to USA '94....shit!

[Meenzer 15716]

 

[Happy Face 29]

That hasn't really been proved correct, but how do you think the game has changed due to TV, and how do you think that TV has changed due to the game ?

 

In all seriousness, TV has changed the game more than the other way around I think. Although the entire Sky pay TV model was built on the back of securing Premier league coverage and the customer base that came with it, that was always going to be the way TV went I think.

 

Football rules seem to be changed significantly every few year to try and place the emphasis on attack, on goals and on making it faster, (Offside rule changed to give advantage to attacker in line with defender then the no pass back rule introduced then no tackling from behind then the offside rule changed to cut out anyone "not interfering with play", now the attacker has to touch the ball to be offside etc.) even if it leads to massive confusion for officials and viewers.

 

I might be daft, but I think that's down to the demands of the mass TV audience, rather than the dedicated matchgoer.

 

Now they want to introduce video replays. Having caused this level of confusion to what were clear cut rules, rather than go back they're looking to add more changes to try and rectify it. As a fan at St James' without jumbo screens I can't watch the replay, so they're catering to the home viewer there....despite the FA cup "over the line" debate which raged for half an hour going to show there's no certainty, and a strong referee making a call for better or worse is preferable every day of the week.

[Toonpack 9925]

In all seriousness, TV has changed the game more than the other way around I think. Although the entire Sky pay TV model was built on the back of securing Premier league coverage and the customer base that came with it, that was always going to be the way TV went I think.

 

Football rules seem to be changed significantly every few year to try and place the emphasis on attack, on goals and on making it faster, (Offside rule changed to give advantage to attacker in line with defender then the no pass back rule introduced then no tackling from behind then the offside rule changed to cut out anyone "not interfering with play", now the attacker has to touch the ball to be offside etc.) even if it leads to massive confusion for officials and viewers.

 

I might be daft, but I think that's down to the demands of the mass TV audience, rather than the dedicated matchgoer.

 

Now they want to introduce video replays. Having caused this level of confusion to what were clear cut rules, rather than go back they're looking to add more changes to try and rectify it. As a fan at St James' without jumbo screens I can't watch the replay, so they're catering to the home viewer there....despite the FA cup "over the line" debate which raged for half an hour going to show there's no certainty, and a strong referee making a call for better or worse is preferable every day of the week.

 

Agree, and as for the last bit, which I also agree with, they have an impossible job with the cheating, knocked over by a feather players of today. Pity TV didn't spend so much time pouring over dubious decisions caused by the players as they do over genuine ref blunders.

 

Cloughie would have been slapping the modern pro around the head !!!!

 

I also think the drive towards favouring the attacker is just an evolution/reflection of the instant gratification culture of the modern world. You can have a really exciting 0-0 but that doesn't float many people's boats these days. You favour the silky skilled player flowing past everyone, the hard man fairly (get the ball and the man) seeing how fast the silky skilled fucker can limp is long gone. A happy medium would be ideal, will never happen. For all it's roughness, you never saw the really nasty off the ground studs up stuff you see today. (unless Argentina or Uruguay were playing). A proper hard but fair tackle was a thing of beauty and got the crowd going almost as much as a goal.

 

There's also the 24/7 saturation which has effected "the game" atmosphere being the first to suffer, the match used to be the "great release" at a weekend because that was really the only (apart from the Chronicle) exposure to the game, nowadays it's been talked and analysed to death and the match itself is somewhat an afterthought.

 

Just a natural "evolution" I guess.

[Christmas Tree 4821]

Brian Clough once said that live TV would kill the game.

 

That hasn't really been proved correct, but how do you think the game has changed due to TV, and how do you think that TV has changed due to the game ?

 

Think of all the foreign posters we wouldnt have if it were not for TV.

[Kitman 2207]

Think of all the foreign posters we wouldnt have if it were not for TV.

 

Bloody OOTs

[LeazesMag 0]

In all seriousness, TV has changed the game more than the other way around I think. Although the entire Sky pay TV model was built on the back of securing Premier league coverage and the customer base that came with it, that was always going to be the way TV went I think.

 

Football rules seem to be changed significantly every few year to try and place the emphasis on attack, on goals and on making it faster, (Offside rule changed to give advantage to attacker in line with defender then the no pass back rule introduced then no tackling from behind then the offside rule changed to cut out anyone "not interfering with play", now the attacker has to touch the ball to be offside etc.) even if it leads to massive confusion for officials and viewers.

 

I might be daft, but I think that's down to the demands of the mass TV audience, rather than the dedicated matchgoer.

 

Now they want to introduce video replays. Having caused this level of confusion to what were clear cut rules, rather than go back they're looking to add more changes to try and rectify it. As a fan at St James' without jumbo screens I can't watch the replay, so they're catering to the home viewer there....despite the FA cup "over the line" debate which raged for half an hour going to show there's no certainty, and a strong referee making a call for better or worse is preferable every day of the week.

 

Sky TV was going bust until they bought the football, the football saved Sky Tv, or it certainly took off big time when they got that contract.

 

Anyway HF, I don't really agree with the comments about video technology. I'm not saying they have to stop the game all the time, anything but, but the referee should be able to call on the technology whenever he sees fit. It would only take seconds, no more than consulting with his linesman when there is a 4th official in the stand that can use the video replay. It is up to the ref, if he doesn't want to use it, then it is completely 100% his decision not to use the technology. But it is for the good of the game, and not the armchair supporter.

 

Englands "goal" in the World Cup by Lampard was a clear goal and should have been given, and Carrolls header in the Cup Final was not over the line and I don't see the fuss about it, it clearly was not over the line, it never looked like it was over the line, he maybe ought to have scored but it was a great save.

Edited May 11, 2012 by LeazesMag

[Offshore Toon 0]

Surely it isn't a coincidence that TVs are shaped more similar to a football pitch in this modern era?

[Happy Face 29]

Anyway HF, I don't really agree with the comments about video technology. I'm not saying they have to stop the game all the time, anything but, but the referee should be able to call on the technology whenever he sees fit. It would only take seconds, no more than consulting with his linesman when there is a 4th official in the stand that can use the video replay. It is up to the ref, if he doesn't want to use it, then it is completely 100% his decision not to use the technology. But it is for the good of the game, and not the armchair supporter.

 

Englands "goal" in the World Cup by Lampard was a clear goal and should have been given, and Carrolls header in the Cup Final was not over the line and I don't see the fuss about it, it clearly was not over the line, it never looked like it was over the line, he maybe ought to have scored but it was a great save.

 

I don't worry about them stopping the game at all either. I just enjoy close decisions. Half the joy of the game is laughing at other clubs that lose out on these decisions and the pain of falling victim to them. Without that the sport is little better than cricket with it's polite applause and lack of hatred for the referees.

 

It's the basis of 24 hour a day Sky Sports news, there's a reason the cricket only gets 30 seconds in an hour on SSN, no talking points.

 

Also, cup competitions are played at amateur and professional grounds. France has a HUGE domestic cup. Will all matches be played with goal-line technology or only the ones at big clubs?

[BigWalrus 0]

Close decisions are fine, and I think the nature of football means there'll always be those moments where people disagree.

 

However, for something as clear cut as a ball being over the line or not, I don't see a good reason for goal-line technology not being used.

 

Sepp Blatter has used the excuse of "we couldn't introduce it at grass roots level, so we can't have it at the top level". Frankly, that's bollocks. Most of the football I played as a kid didn't have referees, didn't have linesmen, didn't have fourth officials, didn't have corner flags, didn't have goal lines. It quite often didn't have two goals.

 

As you work up the leagues, the technology and facilities improve dramatically. There isn't a reason for the technology not to be used at every ground in the top division, and then go from there.

 

But as I said, only for the decisions where it doesn't involve judgement. Goal line incidents, handballs on the line, free-kick or penalty etc - they are all easily decided upon.

[ChezGiven 0]

Brian Clough once said that live TV would kill the game.

 

That hasn't really been proved correct, but how do you think the game has changed due to TV, and how do you think that TV has changed due to the game ?

 

Maintained and then accelerated the commercialisation of the game. It was a development vehicle for those with a vested interest in exploiting the financial gains to be made.

[TicTacWoe 0]

Funnily enough I just watched this clip the other day (probably been seen by most already):

[LeazesMag 0]

Maintained and then accelerated the commercialisation of the game. It was a development vehicle for those with a vested interest in exploiting the financial gains to be made.

 

you haven't done a runner then ?

[Nebula 0]

Without TV I'd never have an opportunity to watch NUFC, so I am infinitely grateful.

 

Happy Face had some really interesting comments on the impact of TV towards the style of the game, favoring attacking over other aspects. We've seen the exact same thing occur with the major sports over here as well. Professional American football, basketball, and hockey have all adapted rule changes that have substantially altered the game(s). And the intent of these changes is to strongly emphasize offense, in all of these sports. And I think you were dead on with the conclusion that this caters to your common fan, the mass tv audience as you put it, to the detriment of the diehards who value all aspects of the game equally, not just bulging nets and celebrations.

 

They figure we're going to follow our clubs and teams no matter what, so they don't worry about losing us. Only attracting the relatively indifferent, who'll put a game on just for the hell of it.

[NYD 0]

Funnily enough I just watched this clip the other day (probably been seen by most already):

 

You can see why he never got the England job. Pure class.

[ChezGiven 0]

 

 

you haven't done a runner then ?

 

Is someone after us like?

[Christmas Tree 4821]

Is someone after us like?

 

Two guys who reckon they met you on a train have been round asking questions.......

[ChezGiven 0]

 

 

Two guys who reckon they met you on a train have been round asking questions.......

 

Shhhheeeeeeeiiiiiit. Fucking Ziad Takkiedine's hitman and his Lithium dealer mate I assume.

[Gemmill 46021]

Funnily enough I just watched this clip the other day (probably been seen by most already):

 

Motson man. What a fucking knob.

[Noelie 103]

I think a significant change in the game brought on by TV is the way players are punished for offences they commit during a game that are viewed on screen after the game is long over.

 

I can't fault TV or Cyberspace programming when I am able to see every Newcastle league game. I have to smile when I see "No TV coverage" in the UK yet it is on TV here and if not on TV then on Fox Soccer 2 Go website.

The Everton game is to be on my computer, Fox Soccer 2 Go, for which I pay $20 a month.

[Renton 21983]

It's been a positive thing overall. The only thing that pisses me off is stupid kick off times, which because of our popularity and great facilities at SJP affect us disproportionately. Saturday 3pm k.o. are a rarity.

[Noelie 103]

.............................................. The only thing that pisses me off is stupid kick off times,..................................

 

Pisses you off, wot aboot me!!

With an 8 hour time difference a 3 o'clock kick-off is 7 o'clock in the morning for me here in California which isn't too bad, but a noon or 1:30 kick-off fucks up my much needed beauty sleep.