Davide Santon signs a 5 year deal with Newcastle United

[manc-mag 1]

Risks associated of course but 1. get him feeling a part of the club, and 2. be patient with him on the pitch = every chance he becomes a strong link in the defensive chain.

[Guest alex]

So, we still need a left-back then?

[Monroe Transfer 0]

Plus, Newcastle owner Mike Ashley only wants up-and-coming players with a re-sale value so the St James’ Park hierarchy will be confident that the best is yet to come from Santon.

 

Sick of hearing stuff like this, knowing full well it's true.

[manc-mag 1]

Ant, why do you say he's better on the right? Was that where he was playing when on loan or early in his Inter games?

 

Both and for Italy, even played right wing for Inter at one stage.

For inter he was switched sides purely on who was injured, why he got so many games for them, he'll basically fill in where needed.

 

Bit like Fabio for man.u, really he's a left back, he's left footed, but he can play at the right if he has to, but he's better on the left.

vice versa for Rafael.

 

like a lot of players dribbles crosses passes tackles with his right, he can use his left, but will 98% of the time drag it back or get it onto his right.

Which is awful when defending and playing on the wrong side (tackling wise).

 

edit > i didn't watch that video i've prob watched a lot of the games featured in it anyway, but i'd lay odds on the clips of him playing on the left he drags it back and does stepovers etc to get it back on his right for crosses and tackles

 

Have to say, a propensity to put it on his right in order to put a cross in is a minor issue for me. I'm a bit old fashioned in that I'm not really arsed about how a full back attacks, I just want one that can defend. I think people can get carried away with things when a full back bombs on, it's a bonus but it's nothing compared to being composed, defensive and comfortable on the ball.

 

It's not him crossing the ball that bothers me, it's going in with the wrong foot for tackles because he's on the wrong side that does, that gets you caught out too much too often, whether it's being off balance, or not able to recover/block a cross.

It's a bad idea for defenders to be on the wrong side, but i agree for the likes of a winger it hardly matters.

 

If he's got any defensive nous though, he'll not be a diver into tackles. I think it's less of an issue if you're not some shit last ditch slide tackler. Anyway theres an element of 'relative speaking' in what I'm saying seeing as the alternatives are currently Simpson and Taylor depending on where he's used.

[manc-mag 1]

Plus, Newcastle owner Mike Ashley only wants up-and-coming players with a re-sale value so the St James’ Park hierarchy will be confident that the best is yet to come from Santon.

 

Sick of hearing stuff like this, knowing full well it's true.

 

It's patently not true in the sense you mean though. It involves a risk; the fat bastard is hardly clairvoyant.

 

If Santon's any good then he will be, like every other player we have, effectively for sale to anyone who will offer him better wages. The primary motive in getting him won't be to turn a massive profit on him though-if he's good we'll want to keep him-however we will lose him if he's offered more wages and then it will be an exercise in finding out how big a fee can be achieved.

[manc-mag 1]

For the sake of everyones sanity, the Carroll sale has to be seen for what it was-a freak transaction for silly money. To think an entire transfer policy is based around a sell-on model like that needs people to disengage brains. If people are suggesting that every player we get in we expect to sell for £35 million they need to have a word. Enrique went for £6 million and Barton went for free and they're top performers. They went because they could get more money elsewhere, it's only daft deals where £35 million figures get chucked about.

[peasepud 59]

Plus, Newcastle owner Mike Ashley only wants up-and-coming players with a re-sale value so the St James’ Park hierarchy will be confident that the best is yet to come from Santon.

 

Sick of hearing stuff like this, knowing full well it's true.

 

It's patently not true in the sense you mean though. It involves a risk; the fat bastard is hardly clairvoyant.

 

If Santon's any good then he will be, like every other player we have, effectively for sale to anyone who will offer him better wages. The primary motive in getting him won't be to turn a massive profit on him though-if he's good we'll want to keep him-however we will lose him if he's offered more wages and then it will be an exercise in finding out how big a fee can be achieved.

Thats the bit I disagree, albeit it, based on personal belief but with a fair bit of history to back it up.

 

I believe these players are purchased with the express hope that they'll make it big and move on for a profit. If not then we would be offering bigger wages and desperately trying to hold onto players instead of firing up the chopper at the first sign of a sale.

 

Youre right about the risk though but thats no different to the risk involved in them coming good and staying.

[duo 0]

off load Best. Keep Love

Would be a ridiculous idea...

Agreed, Don't get all the Best haters - guy always gives 110% and gets goals to boot. Get off his back and instead get behind him.

[manc-mag 1]

Plus, Newcastle owner Mike Ashley only wants up-and-coming players with a re-sale value so the St James’ Park hierarchy will be confident that the best is yet to come from Santon.

 

Sick of hearing stuff like this, knowing full well it's true.

 

It's patently not true in the sense you mean though. It involves a risk; the fat bastard is hardly clairvoyant.

 

If Santon's any good then he will be, like every other player we have, effectively for sale to anyone who will offer him better wages. The primary motive in getting him won't be to turn a massive profit on him though-if he's good we'll want to keep him-however we will lose him if he's offered more wages and then it will be an exercise in finding out how big a fee can be achieved.

Thats the bit I disagree, albeit it, based on personal belief but with a fair bit of history to back it up.

 

I believe these players are purchased with the express hope that they'll make it big and move on for a profit. If not then we would be offering bigger wages and desperately trying to hold onto players instead of firing up the chopper at the first sign of a sale.

 

Youre right about the risk though but thats no different to the risk involved in them coming good and staying.

 

I think it's more the case that, realistically, you know if they do become top performers they're ultimately going to be offered deals we cant match if we're operating a maximum wage cap. In those circumstances, if you're not prepared to make an exception to your wage cap (and we definitely won't) they will go. At that stage you get what you can for them.

 

Remains to be seen whether Santon is Enrique's replacement, but say he was, Enrique goes for £6 million and it costs practically the equivalent to replace him. I just don't see that as being a predominantly transfer profit driven sequence of events. But yes, as far as we can do, when sale becomes inevitable we will get the biggest price we can. Sale will just be more common in our case given our wage structure.

[Andrew 4756]

off load Best. Keep Love

Would be a ridiculous idea...

Agreed, Don't get all the Best haters - guy always gives 110% and gets goals to boot. Get off his back and instead get behind him.

 

agreed, I dont understand best as a footballer, hes not quick or strong, not great in the air or particularly skillful, hes not a forward who creates

 

he just seems to get a bunch of goals last season 6 goals in 11 PL games (i know a lot of those were in one game but still)which really helped us out and now as we wonder where our goals will come from he gets our only two against fulham for a 2-1 win

[Christmas Tree 4725]

How fucking long does it take to do a fucking medical.....ffs

[peasepud 59]

As a cheap businessman, Ashley sees the ability to buy a piece of business machinery at price x, use it for 1 or 2 years and then sell it on for price x + y as a fantastic piece of business (and in the normal world it would be).

 

Imagine being a courier firm, buying a van for £5k which costs £50 p/w to run, using it for 2 years then selling it for £12k before going out and buying a new younger replacement van for £4k, that costs £70 p/w to run.

 

This is how he sees footballers. Sometimes it works and he now has the ultimate model in his head, Carroll purchase price zero, sell for £35m, replacement £6m

[Tom 14011]

I can smell the same scenario will happen with Santon as with PIRLO and SEEDORF in the past.. I guess some things doesnt change

 

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[Andrew 4756]

I can smell the same scenario will happen with Santon as with PIRLO and SEEDORF in the past.. I guess some things doesnt change

 

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they seem upset, which is a good sign

[Barney 0]

Lee Ryder

 

 

Santon donning #nufc training gear at Benton

[duo 0]

I can smell the same scenario will happen with Santon as with PIRLO and SEEDORF in the past.. I guess some things doesnt change

 

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Almost sounds too good to be true. I am not quite as excited as when we signed Ben Arfa - but it's becoming a close second.

[manc-mag 1]

As a cheap businessman, Ashley sees the ability to buy a piece of business machinery at price x, use it for 1 or 2 years and then sell it on for price x + y as a fantastic piece of business (and in the normal world it would be).

 

Imagine being a courier firm, buying a van for £5k which costs £50 p/w to run, using it for 2 years then selling it for £12k before going out and buying a new younger replacement van for £4k, that costs £70 p/w to run.

 

This is how he sees footballers. Sometimes it works and he now has the ultimate model in his head, Carroll purchase price zero, sell for £35m, replacement £6m

 

Fair enough, I just don't think he's naive enough to think the 'ultimate example' of it (in Carroll) is something which is likely to be repeated often enough to make it his sole motivator.

 

I think he's far more concerned about maintaining modest wages-and where you do that (ie where it's universally known you're not going to compete to retain a player by matching the would-be buyers wages), on balance you're less likely to achieve a huge transfer fee because the buying club doesnt have to make any other incentive available other than higher wages-because this makes the player want away instantly and you're suddenly left with someone who doesn't want to play for you anymore.

[duo 0]

I can smell the same scenario will happen with Santon as with PIRLO and SEEDORF in the past.. I guess some things doesnt change

 

Inter Milan Forum

 

they seem upset, which is a good sign

True - but I remember the Depo fans being the same when we signed Xisco.

[Tom 14011]

Yeh I was just going to say, they were gutted

[Guest alex]

I bet the Chronic headline is: Stanton Wings Inter Toon. They've already used a variation on that for Pistone and Emre.

[ChezGiven 0]

As a cheap businessman, Ashley sees the ability to buy a piece of business machinery at price x, use it for 1 or 2 years and then sell it on for price x + y as a fantastic piece of business (and in the normal world it would be).

 

Imagine being a courier firm, buying a van for £5k which costs £50 p/w to run, using it for 2 years then selling it for £12k before going out and buying a new younger replacement van for £4k, that costs £70 p/w to run.

 

This is how he sees footballers. Sometimes it works and he now has the ultimate model in his head, Carroll purchase price zero, sell for £35m, replacement £6m

Which actual players fit this model? Ashley didnt buy Carroll, Milner or N'Zogbia and didnt make a profit on Barton, Nolan or Enrique.

 

Not sure you can use Carroll as an example of the model as he came from the academy and therefore has no relevance to the purchase of players in the market.

[nortoon 0]

Good signing this I think. Can push him onto RB once Cissokhos contract runs out.

[wykikitoon 20150]

Lee Ryder

 

 

Santon donning #nufc training gear at Benton

 

I want pics!

[peasepud 59]

As a cheap businessman, Ashley sees the ability to buy a piece of business machinery at price x, use it for 1 or 2 years and then sell it on for price x + y as a fantastic piece of business (and in the normal world it would be).

 

Imagine being a courier firm, buying a van for £5k which costs £50 p/w to run, using it for 2 years then selling it for £12k before going out and buying a new younger replacement van for £4k, that costs £70 p/w to run.

 

This is how he sees footballers. Sometimes it works and he now has the ultimate model in his head, Carroll purchase price zero, sell for £35m, replacement £6m

Which actual players fit this model? Ashley didnt buy Carroll, Milner or N'Zogbia and didnt make a profit on Barton, Nolan or Enrique.

 

Not sure you can use Carroll as an example of the model as he came from the academy and therefore has no relevance to the purchase of players in the market.

He has a huge relevance ie bought for zero and sold for £35m = £35m profit. Thats the ultimate but even Ashley knows he cannot put out a team of academy players so he has to buy in.

 

Its irrelevant if Ashley bought Milner (8m), N'Zog (5.75m), Carroll (35m), Beye (0.6m?), Bassong (7.5m), Given (5m) etc, the profit is still a profit. Those 6 alone have realised a purchase/sale profit of over £60m.

[donaldstott 0]

I bet the Chronic headline is: Stanton Wings Inter Toon. They've already used a variation on that for Pistone and Emre.

 

In fairness Ryder doesn't write the headlines, so I doubt they'd get the lads name wrong...