Tooj 17 Posted June 27, 2012 Share Posted June 27, 2012 They haven't looked great recently, but it's quite a young team in its infancy with the clear aim to get them as a coercive unit by 2014. Nothing wrong with aiming for the long-term when you've got a lot of friendlies to try and get the blend right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeazesMag 0 Posted June 27, 2012 Author Share Posted June 27, 2012 There's some sense in it all you know, but not for the reasons he is saying. Here is my theory. Take away Indians because the vast majority of Indians are at the top of the food chain, and are upper class immigrants. You don't expect Henley Regatta to produce top class footballers. My theory is this, the Germans are producing good players who are immigrants, because they're tramps. When England and Scotland produced brilliant players, like Bobby Charlton, Dalglish, John Charles, Gazza, Bobby Moore, they all had one thing in common, they were almost exclusively from working class areas. Living standards have improved over the last 20 years, they have, we have more mod-cons, utter shitholes like Glasgow have been transformed in to beautiful attractive internationally acclaimed destinations. Kids are spoilt, even the ones who claim to live in poverty are better off than 2 or 3 generations ago. The thing is with immigrants, they come to a new country, and it takes them a long while to financially get on to the same level as the indigenous population. Even now I bet the krauts, harbour prejudices against Turks, Poles, and people from Eastern Europe. In much the same way that catholics in Northern Ireland were discriminated against when it came to salaries and employment opportunities, to a degree the same will be true of these immigrants to Germany. What I'm saying is your working class of 1960, are your immigrants of today, they're generally speaking more likely to be poor, and more likely to look to sport as a way of enhancing their lives. That's my theory. yep Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
McFaul 35 Posted June 27, 2012 Share Posted June 27, 2012 Are all of the foreign teams shite to you? As that seems to be a constant theme you're coming out with. If you think Brazil are shit I'm not sure what that makes us then as most of their current XI would walk into England's. No. What are you saying that for? Spain are one of the greatest sides in history. Of course we're shite, but by the same token we'd have 4 or 5 who would get in to their team. We have a population of 51m, theirs is 200m, four times ours, they should be better, but they're shite. A population five times greater than Argentina, yet they're inferior right across the park. They even looked poor against Scotland, and without proper competitive games till the World Cup, they'll go in there as favourites and get found out. I've seen loads of Brazil lately, utter shite. Mexico literally took them to the cleaners. Fucking Mexico?!? A failed Tottenham and Ipswich pretender dos Santos ran them ragged. Look at their first eleven ffs. It is mediocre at best in comparison to a proper Brazil side. They are far behind Argentina. Watching games is the best way to judge a team, not reading obtuse forums or going off past reputations. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
McFaul 35 Posted June 27, 2012 Share Posted June 27, 2012 Brazil are shite http://en.wikipedia....m#Current_squad tell you what have a look at that and recent call ups and tell me where we are better Brazil are shite http://en.wikipedia....m#Current_squad tell you what have a look at that and recent call ups and tell me where we are better They are shite, and I'll tell you now you don't know more than 8 of their players in that 23 so why pretend you do. Far behind Argentina. I haven't said anywhere England aren't totally shite, we are. I'd have 4 of our back 5 over their's though for starters plus Gerrard and Rooney. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
McFaul 35 Posted June 27, 2012 Share Posted June 27, 2012 They haven't looked great recently, but it's quite a young team in its infancy with the clear aim to get them as a coercive unit by 2014. Nothing wrong with aiming for the long-term when you've got a lot of friendlies to try and get the blend right. Friendlies do very little, if world champion status went on friendlies we'd have been world champions many times. We beat Spain and couldn't wipe their arse. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tooj 17 Posted June 27, 2012 Share Posted June 27, 2012 I've also watched loads of Brazil cheers, hence why I said they haven't look that good as a team yet are clearly trying to find the right mix for Euro 2014. Can you name me the 4 or 5 England players that would get into their team btw? I can think of Cole (although in two years time that's doubtful) and Hart off the top of my head. Maybe Gerrard, can't think of anybody else who would. I'm not including Rooney either as he has done absolutely nothing in international football for years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andrew 4723 Posted June 27, 2012 Share Posted June 27, 2012 They are shite, and I'll tell you now you don't know more than 8 of their players in that 23 so why pretend you do. Far behind Argentina. I haven't said anywhere England aren't totally shite, we are. I'd have 4 of our back 5 over their's though for starters plus Gerrard and Rooney. you'll tell me? stevie wind your neck in you bell end you're not an authority on other national sides or foreign, I happen to reckon you're full of shit deal with it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tooj 17 Posted June 27, 2012 Share Posted June 27, 2012 4 of our back 5? Really? I'd have Cole and Hart that's it, maybe Terry as even Luiz isn't great but I think he compliments Thiago Silva well (who is also far better than any of our centre halves), infact there's only Kompany who I'd rate better than him in the world as a central defender. If you're talking full-backs as well you'd rather have Glen Johnson over Daniel Alves? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
McFaul 35 Posted June 27, 2012 Share Posted June 27, 2012 So you acknowledge they've looked shite recently? Joe Hart, Ashley Cole, Terry, Gerrard and Rooney would walk in to their team. Quite laughable you'd put David Luiz in before Terry considering Terry mops up most of his mistakes for Chelsea, while Marcelo isn't anywhere near Real Madrid or Brazil class. Put an O on the end of some players names, and it enhances their reputation with most people. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
McFaul 35 Posted June 27, 2012 Share Posted June 27, 2012 you'll tell me? stevie wind your neck in you bell end you're not an authority on other national sides or foreign, I happen to reckon you're full of shit deal with it. I honestly couldn't give a fuck what you think of me you little mug. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andrew 4723 Posted June 27, 2012 Share Posted June 27, 2012 feelings mutual but you still chuck this stuff up like its a fact and get all bent out of shape when someone disagrees Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
McFaul 35 Posted June 27, 2012 Share Posted June 27, 2012 4 of our back 5? Really? I'd have Cole and Hart that's it, maybe Terry as even Luiz isn't great but I think he compliments Thiago Silva well (who is also far better than any of our centre halves), infact there's only Kompany who I'd rate better than him in the world as a central defender. If you're talking full-backs as well you'd rather have Glen Johnson over Daniel Alves? 4 of our back 5? Really? I'd have Cole and Hart that's it, maybe Terry as even Luiz isn't great but I think he compliments Thiago Silva well (who is also far better than any of our centre halves), infact there's only Kompany who I'd rate better than him in the world as a central defender. If you're talking full-backs as well you'd rather have Glen Johnson over Daniel Alves? Vidic is better than Thiago Silva. Daniel Alves is tremendous going forward, defensively he's rarely tested at Barcelona, when he is you couldn't put him anywhere near Phillip Lahm's class. Johnson is good going forward too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brock Manson 0 Posted June 27, 2012 Share Posted June 27, 2012 Marcelo is quality whenever I see him play for Real tbh... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
McFaul 35 Posted June 27, 2012 Share Posted June 27, 2012 feelings mutual but you still chuck this stuff up like its a fact and get all bent out of shape when someone disagrees feelings mutual but you still chuck this stuff up like its a fact and get all bent out of shape when someone disagrees If someone can put a good argument up, I'll read it and respect it. When it's complete foundationless shite from someone clueless I just dismiss it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gemmill 44539 Posted June 27, 2012 Share Posted June 27, 2012 The FIFA rankings are total bollocks btw. We aren't even the 6th best side in Europe, never mind the world, as has been amply demonstrated by this recent tournament - 3 out of the 4 teams in Spain's group would have put us out in the quarters for a start. There is no way that this squad of ponderous, average players is the sixth best team in the world. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Gloom 21861 Posted June 27, 2012 Share Posted June 27, 2012 If Brazil are shite, what does that make us? I think Brazil will be among the favourites for the next world cup. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wykikitoon 19986 Posted June 27, 2012 Share Posted June 27, 2012 The FIFA rankings are total bollocks btw. We aren't even the 6th best side in Europe, never mind the world, as has been amply demonstrated by this recent tournament - 3 out of the 4 teams in Spain's group would have put us out in the quarters for a start. There is no way that this squad of ponderous, average players is the sixth best team in the world. This. Laughable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeazesMag 0 Posted June 27, 2012 Author Share Posted June 27, 2012 I reckon Southgate will do a canny job btw. Seems to know his onions. he isn't a manager, but he's intelligent, so here's hoping. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gemmill 44539 Posted June 27, 2012 Share Posted June 27, 2012 do other western countries produce woolly headed pc obsessed liberal kids as much as the UK too do you think Stevie ? Your point is quite obvious even if someone doesn't "agree". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
McFaul 35 Posted June 27, 2012 Share Posted June 27, 2012 If Brazil are shite, what does that make us? I think Brazil will be among the favourites for the next world cup. If Brazil are shite, what does that make us? I think Brazil will be among the favourites for the next world cup. You do realise Brazil are at home? Of course they'll be amongst the favourites, they don't come close to Spain or Argentina presently in my view. You had to see their game against Mexico, it's not Brazil 1982 mate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
McFaul 35 Posted June 27, 2012 Share Posted June 27, 2012 The FIFA rankings are total bollocks btw. We aren't even the 6th best side in Europe, never mind the world, as has been amply demonstrated by this recent tournament - 3 out of the 4 teams in Spain's group would have put us out in the quarters for a start. There is no way that this squad of ponderous, average players is the sixth best team in the world. The FIFA rankings are total bollocks btw. We aren't even the 6th best side in Europe, never mind the world, as has been amply demonstrated by this recent tournament - 3 out of the 4 teams in Spain's group would have put us out in the quarters for a start. There is no way that this squad of ponderous, average players is the sixth best team in the world. I don't think we are, but the only way to measure it is results. As far as results over the last five years go we are the 6th best team in the world, based on results. Nothing can change that regardless what anyone says. Do you think a better way of judging it would be 10 clueless divvies having a bucket in a room and discussing what they should be like? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeazesMag 0 Posted June 27, 2012 Author Share Posted June 27, 2012 Hodgson the problem is that English football is being pulled in two directions simultaneously. We want a healthy and competitive England side, but the development is hindered by the hideous statistic which says that only 30-odd per cent of the Premier League's players are eligible to play for England, compared with 70-odd per cent of La Liga's players qualified to play for Spain and an only slightly lower figure for German players in the Bundesliga. As great a commercial triumph as it may be, the Premier League's new £3bn TV contract will only make the situation worse. Even more Eden Hazards and Marko Marins will be attracted to England's Champions League contenders by even higher wages, at the expense of a brilliant prospect such as Josh McEachran , who should now be playing for Chelsea every week." surely he is Scottish ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LoveTheBobby 1 Posted June 27, 2012 Share Posted June 27, 2012 10 clueless divvies having a bucket in a room and discussing what they should be like? magic Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gemmill 44539 Posted June 27, 2012 Share Posted June 27, 2012 I don't think we are, but the only way to measure it is results. As far as results over the last five years go we are the 6th best team in the world, based on results. Nothing can change that regardless what anyone says. Do you think a better way of judging it would be 10 clueless divvies having a bucket in a room and discussing what they should be like? I'm not saying it's your fault, but they shouldn't be used as the basis of any argument. Didn't Hodgson get Switzerland to 3rd in the world? Switzerland ffs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andrew 4723 Posted June 27, 2012 Share Posted June 27, 2012 currently in second place? Uruguay oh and Brazil are 5th, above us and Argentina Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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