wykikitoon 20730 Posted June 20, 2012 Share Posted June 20, 2012 But Walcott came on against Ukraine and barely featured... Carroll may not have taken up the right position? I disagree with the Wellbeck criticism too, I thought he worked hard, stretched their play as best he could and was a useful outlet all night. and I thought Young was fucking atrocious, often wasting good position or opportunity by trying to take on the man repeatedly, forgoing the chance to cross or set up Cole on the overlap. you and me seemed to have watched entirely different games Very true about Carroll. I agree with Young, but he did try hard with getting back to defend. His attacking though was like you say, atrocious and he has been all tournament. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Howay 12496 Posted June 20, 2012 Share Posted June 20, 2012 Walcott best start over Milner tbh, Milner's been total dogshit all tournament I guess he's being selected for his defensive attributes but he almost cost us a goal with a mental back pass to Hart (against France iirc) and he's too negative in general as Johnson offers more going forward a lot of the time. Young has been gash all Tournament too which is a surprise considering his form leading up to the tournament. Gerrard has looked like the player that used to play for Liverpool at times this tournament, Parker has been decent in spells but sometimes very frustrating with his almost complete refusal to pass the ball forward. Lescott and Terry have been solid for most of the tournament. We've also really struck lucky coming top of the group as I don't think there's much between us and Italy, we just need to put someone on Pirlo all game and try and limit his touches as when he starts controlling the games Italy look very capable of goals. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Face 29 Posted June 20, 2012 Share Posted June 20, 2012 Having watched Milner at Newcastle all those years did anyone expect a great deal more of him? Our big players have performed. Rusty Rooney Played 1 Scored 1, Captain Stevey G played 3 4 assists, Joe Hart conceded 2 and neither particularly his fault also 2 clean sheets, Ashley Cole...champion, Lescott scored 1 and been solid. Young has disappointed. Outside of that you have some good players, but hardly anyone that would complain about being on the Newcastle bench. They've performed to their ability too. The team performances and the results have exceeded what I ever expected of this squad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ayatollah Hermione 14053 Posted June 20, 2012 Share Posted June 20, 2012 Having watched Milner at Newcastle all those years did anyone expect a great deal more of him? He never looked quite as bad as that, did he? Not to my knowledge anyway. His crossing has stayed the same like. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Face 29 Posted June 20, 2012 Share Posted June 20, 2012 IIRC a few learned posters on here always thought he was utter gash at NUFC. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Fish 10965 Posted June 20, 2012 Share Posted June 20, 2012 IIRC a few learned posters on here always thought he was utter gash at NUFC. I didn't think he was shit, but I did think we'd mugged Villa for him though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeazesMag 0 Posted June 20, 2012 Author Share Posted June 20, 2012 I didn't think he was shit, but I did think we'd mugged Villa for him though. was HF referring to you when he said "learned poster" ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeazesMag 0 Posted June 20, 2012 Author Share Posted June 20, 2012 I didn't think he was shite, but didn't think he was THAT good either. Ultimately, a good premiership player but lacked the pace of Lennon or the crossing ability of Beckham or Solano to compensate for it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ayatollah Hermione 14053 Posted June 20, 2012 Share Posted June 20, 2012 (edited) I didn't think he was shite, but didn't think he was THAT good either. Ultimately, a good premiership player but lacked the pace of Lennon or the crossing ability of Beckham or Solano to compensate for it. Aye, I remember that being the long and short of it but despite that, he still got goals and assists here and Villa. I'm not sure if Hodgson is telling him to concentrate on defending first but he just looks completely out of his depth. A player like Gutierrez has showed this season that you can focus on protecting your full-back and still be an attacking threat if you have a good engine and can carry the ball well. Actually, he scored far less than I thought up here. I remember him scoring more for some reason. Edited June 20, 2012 by Ayatollah Hermione Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Fish 10965 Posted June 20, 2012 Share Posted June 20, 2012 was HF referring to you when he said "learned poster" ? Probably. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeazesMag 0 Posted June 20, 2012 Author Share Posted June 20, 2012 Aye, I remember that being the long and short of it but despite that, he still got goals and assists here and Villa. I'm not sure if Hodgson is telling him to concentrate on defending first but he just looks completely out of his depth. A player like Gutierrez has showed this season that you can focus on protecting your full-back and still be an attacking threat if you have a good engine and can carry the ball well. Actually, he scored far less than I thought up here. I remember him scoring more for some reason. I think ie guessing, that Hodgson has told him to do exactly that, so for that reason he is staying in the team, he is doing what his manager is asking him to do. So as long as England get good results he is justifiying his managers setup of the team. It matters, whatever limitations he has, because its a team game and so far they have won 2 and drew 1 game out of 3. Whether you need a bit more to beat the likes of Italy and Spain, I would say so, as Roy Keane says, who is correct in his assessment of Englands chances. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeazesMag 0 Posted June 20, 2012 Author Share Posted June 20, 2012 Probably. I doubt it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ayatollah Hermione 14053 Posted June 20, 2012 Share Posted June 20, 2012 I think ie guessing, that Hodgson has told him to do exactly that, so for that reason he is staying in the team, he is doing what his manager is asking him to do. So as long as England get good results he is justifiying his managers setup of the team. It matters, whatever limitations he has, because its a team game and so far they have won 2 and drew 1 game out of 3. Whether you need a bit more to beat the likes of Italy and Spain, I would say so, as Roy Keane says, who is correct in his assessment of Englands chances. Aye, Italy's midfield is stronger than any we've played so far and Pirlo is, maybe, the central midfielder of the tournament so far (Schweinsteiger aside, perhaps). I assumed that we'd be well organised, tough to beat and not concede many (though we made it easy for Sweden in that mad 10 minutes) and that would get us through the groups. I think the Italy game will be tight but we'll struggle to score. There's every chance Andy Carroll could be the secret weapon though IMO Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Fish 10965 Posted June 20, 2012 Share Posted June 20, 2012 I doubt it Didn't think a safety wink would be necessary... I misjudged you Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ayatollah Hermione 14053 Posted June 20, 2012 Share Posted June 20, 2012 And if Gerrard's deliveries stay as good as they have been, he needs to be out on the right, knocking crosses in from deep for Carroll. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Fish 10965 Posted June 20, 2012 Share Posted June 20, 2012 And if Gerrard's deliveries stay as good as they have been, he needs to be out on the right, knocking crosses in from deep for Carroll. Yeah but there's no fucker that could take Gerrard's place in the centre Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brock Manson 0 Posted June 20, 2012 Share Posted June 20, 2012 I think the unsung star of England's tournament so far has been Frank Lampard. His injury has prevented him from being utter shite for us in the middle, so he's currently having his best tournament for us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bizza 105 Posted June 20, 2012 Share Posted June 20, 2012 I think the unsung star of England's tournament so far has been Frank Lampard. His injury has prevented him from being utter shite for us in the middle, so he's currently having his best tournament for us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeazesMag 0 Posted June 20, 2012 Author Share Posted June 20, 2012 Didn't think a safety wink would be necessary... I misjudged you indeed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeazesMag 0 Posted June 21, 2012 Author Share Posted June 21, 2012 Anyway, Quarter finals start tonight. I think the only nailed on winner is Germany, the rest could go either way. Now I've said that, Greece will probably have one shot on goal and win 1-0 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andrew 4857 Posted June 21, 2012 Share Posted June 21, 2012 I reckon you're right (with germany winning rather than the greece 1-0) portugal should beat the czechs though, cechs been terrible so far this euros if ronaldo and the other portugal forwards get time to take dippy, swervy pot shots at him it could be a bad night for them Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeazesMag 0 Posted June 21, 2012 Author Share Posted June 21, 2012 (edited) I reckon you're right (with germany winning rather than the greece 1-0) portugal should beat the czechs though, cechs been terrible so far this euros if ronaldo and the other portugal forwards get time to take dippy, swervy pot shots at him it could be a bad night for them aye. The trouble is, football doesn't go to form, there is always a surprise. I used to put accumulators on at the bookies years ago, I did those because I just think you can't predict any one game and get them all right. I'm not a major betting man, this was just a phase I went through for fun, I put a quid on a 5 game accumulator and a couple of daft 20p bets on other spread bets. My system for the main 5 games, was to look at 5 home bankers, then pick a random one which would either be a draw or an away win. Most of the time, one of those games didn't go to form, and if you got the right one, you won something like about 40 or 50 quid. One season I did it 3 times. Do it only once and you get your money back. I did this while I sat in a greasy spoon cafe having a saturday morning breakfast with workmates, we all did it. Thats how form works in football. Portugal are probably a better team than the Czech Republic but could still lose on the day, England could beat Italy if they play well on the day and Rooney hits top form, Spain could lose on the day and in fact could have lost the other night. We will see. Edited June 21, 2012 by LeazesMag Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Fish 10965 Posted June 21, 2012 Share Posted June 21, 2012 My system for the main 5 games, was to look at 5 home bankers, then pick a random one which would either be a draw or an away win. Most of the time, one of those games didn't go to form, and if you got the right one, you won something like about 40 or 50 quid. One season I did it 3 times. Do it only once and you get your money back. I normally go for an acca of 6-7 bankers and another on form. It'd usually be Man U, Man City, Rangers Celtic, Barce, Real Madrid. Find an acca on draws fun though. Villa, sunderland, Stoke were always a decent punt for that. Get better odds for draws as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Gloom 22149 Posted June 21, 2012 Share Posted June 21, 2012 Yeah but there's no fucker that could take Gerrard's place in the centre step forward JORDAN HENDERSON Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wykikitoon 20730 Posted June 21, 2012 Share Posted June 21, 2012 A friend of mine is out in Italy trainingt at the moment and he emailed me today and said this: Italians tipping England to win euro 2012. They are genuinely scared of us and say England to beat Spain in final. Why? I ask. Roy hodgson is their answer. They rate him higher than Capello. Interesting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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