trophyshy 7065 Posted May 9, 2012 Share Posted May 9, 2012 (edited) Can we IP ban Facebook? I find their omnipresent silence somewhat disturbing, particularly in this thread. Edited May 9, 2012 by trophyshy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Park Life 71 Posted May 9, 2012 Share Posted May 9, 2012 In the context of the argument what constitutes a civilisation and what constitues extinction of said civilisation? What are the technologically mature civilisations? And for that matter what constitutes technological maturity? OOoooOOO!! You're quite the empiricist! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Park Life 71 Posted May 9, 2012 Share Posted May 9, 2012 Can we IP ban Facebook? I find their omnipresent silence somewhat disturbing, particularly in this thread. He's after me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kevin S. Assilleekunt 1 Posted May 9, 2012 Share Posted May 9, 2012 Makes extinction all the more of a burning issue. We generally look at natural phenomena like asteroids, climate change, disease, the sun dying etc. as causing our inevitable demise, but we've been fine for hundreds of thousands of years on those criteria, so chances are we will be for a while. Man made impacts like weaponry and worsening climate change increase our chances of a faster demise. But being a simulation would make our odds much worse. The owner might decide they need the server space for porn.....or have a power cut. Could happen tomorrow. There's much more at the link in the OP than what I quoted. Our extinction is inevitable, the only question is how soon? We may outlive earth, we may not, but the odds are 100% that we will perish eventually. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Face 29 Posted May 9, 2012 Author Share Posted May 9, 2012 Our extinction is inevitable, the only question is how soon? We may outlive earth, we may not, but the odds are 100% that we will perish eventually. Yes that's what I meant when I said "inevitable demise". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kevin S. Assilleekunt 1 Posted May 9, 2012 Share Posted May 9, 2012 Yes that's what I meant when I said "inevitable demise". Google Chrome only lets me read the first sentence of your posts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ayatollah Hermione 13638 Posted May 9, 2012 Share Posted May 9, 2012 Wouldn't our being self-aware of it all result in us getting turned off? Start again with fresh radgies. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monkeys Fist 41440 Posted May 9, 2012 Share Posted May 9, 2012 Does this mean next time I'm hungover I can "Clear Cache and Cookies"? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trophyshy 7065 Posted May 9, 2012 Share Posted May 9, 2012 I like what Frankie Boyle sez, when they finally discover the Higgs-Boson a huge sign pops up 'Level 2'. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheMoog 0 Posted May 9, 2012 Share Posted May 9, 2012 A simulation being run by a superior being/force skirts very closely to the idea of an omnipresent god figure... perhaps the basis for ancient religions? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brock Manson 0 Posted May 9, 2012 Share Posted May 9, 2012 Do the superior beings/programmers/supreme chums know what happened to THE ANDY CARROLL MONEY? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Park Life 71 Posted May 9, 2012 Share Posted May 9, 2012 Do the superior beings/programmers/supreme chums know what happened to THE ANDY CARROLL MONEY? The sim don't come cheap bro. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ewerk 29604 Posted May 9, 2012 Share Posted May 9, 2012 No. No we're not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monkeys Fist 41440 Posted May 9, 2012 Share Posted May 9, 2012 You've been programmed to say that Ewerk though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Fish 10500 Posted May 9, 2012 Share Posted May 9, 2012 Does being part of a simulation make this reality any less real to us? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Park Life 71 Posted May 9, 2012 Share Posted May 9, 2012 Where does perception end and reality begin? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Fish 10500 Posted May 9, 2012 Share Posted May 9, 2012 Where does perception end and reality begin? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kid Dynamite 6865 Posted May 9, 2012 Share Posted May 9, 2012 Did anyone put this theory forward 'before' the matrix? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Park Life 71 Posted May 9, 2012 Share Posted May 9, 2012 Did anyone put this theory forward 'before' the matrix? Started with the Greeks rasta. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trophyshy 7065 Posted May 9, 2012 Share Posted May 9, 2012 Am I living in a box? Am I living in a cardboard box? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
toonotl 2847 Posted May 10, 2012 Share Posted May 10, 2012 Funny. Just finished reading 'The Fabric of Reality' this morning on the way to work. Was a good read. Deutsch doesn't advance the theory that we are living in a 'virtual reality' just that there will come a point where the difference between virtual reality and reality is nil. The obvious thought from this is always going to be, 'well maybe we're in a virtual reality right now then'. Interesting but its as useless an assumption about our world as one could make. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monkeys Fist 41440 Posted May 10, 2012 Share Posted May 10, 2012 "I be living like a rockstar" Proof it's all a big joke?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gemmill 43014 Posted May 10, 2012 Share Posted May 10, 2012 Why is May adopting that stance? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kitman 2204 Posted May 10, 2012 Share Posted May 10, 2012 I hope the toon win something before they switch the simulator off Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Face 29 Posted May 10, 2012 Author Share Posted May 10, 2012 Did anyone put this theory forward 'before' the matrix? Aye, like Parky says, the roots of skepticism can be traced back to the early 5th Century BC. Zeno of Elea, (c. 490 BC ) put forward three paradoxes concerning the nature of motion, and questioning the reality of what we see around us. Plato, (c. 428-348 BC) in the seventh book of The Republic relates the Allegory of the cave Descartes (1596–1650) employs a version of methodological skepticism, the first precept of which he states is "never to accept anything for true which I did not clearly know to be such". Hume (1711–1776) argued for two kinds of reasoning: probable and demonstrative (Hume's fork), and applied these to the skeptical argument that reality is but an illusion. Kant (1724–1804) was an advocate of Transcendental Idealism, that there are limits on what can be understood, and what we see as reality is merely how things appear to us, not how those things are in and of themselves. Hegel (1770–1831) proposed a conception of knowledge, mind and reality in which the mind itself creates external forms and objects that stand outside of it or opposed to it. Husserl (1859–1938) proposed a way of looking at objects by examining how we "constitute" them as (seemingly) real objects, rather than simply figments of our imagination. In this Phenomenological standpoint, the object ceases to be "external", with mere indicators about its nature, its essence arising from the relationship between the object and the perceiver. Heidegger (1889–1976) in Being and Time questions of the meaning of Being, and distinguishes it from any specific thing "'Being' is not something like a being". According to Heidegger, this sense of being precedes any notions of which beings exist, as it is a primary construct. The Matrix (1999) an American science fiction action film in which a computer programmer "Neo" is drawn into a rebellion against the machines that simulate existence, involving other people who have been freed from the "dream world" and into reality. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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