Lake Bells tits 1 Posted August 23, 2012 Share Posted August 23, 2012 (edited) Wanna back that up? It was said a bit tongue-in-cheek, but on top of my head - Shane Long perhaps? Not quite 10 million but what excactly had he proven? My point was that anything inside domestic shores carry a hefty premium. Connor wickham is alot younger granted but what had he done to warrant a 13 million pound fee. Score 8 goals from 50 games as a striker in the championship? Edited August 23, 2012 by Lake Bells tits Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Fish 10965 Posted August 23, 2012 Share Posted August 23, 2012 It was said a bit tongue-in-cheek, but on top of my head - Shane Long perhaps? Not quite 10 million but what excactly had he proven? My point was that anything inside domestic shores carry a hefty premium. £4.5m (£6m with add ons) is nowhere near £10m man. That bit in bold is fair enough, but '£10m for a championship player who's proven naff all' is a bit of a stretch. by the way Originally Posted by Turnip from the Tip Interestingly, we will be making Fletcher the most expensive ever Scotsman, the 2nd time we've broken this record! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lake Bells tits 1 Posted August 23, 2012 Share Posted August 23, 2012 (edited) Thought Long was 6 million rising to 7 How much did the various championship clubs want for those defenders we were sniffing around at this summer? Edited August 23, 2012 by Lake Bells tits Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Fish 10965 Posted August 23, 2012 Share Posted August 23, 2012 Connor wickham is alot younger granted but what had he done to warrant a 13 million pound fee. Score 8 goals from 50 games as a striker in the championship? Again, he was signed for £8m rising to £12m if he scored and played a certain amount. They were paying (over the odds) for a much praised prospect. I remember people on here saying we should look at signing him. And again it is sunderland paying too much for a player. Ipswich didn't want to sell, but if you receive that kind of offer, you have to snap it up. If someone came in with an £8m bid for Sammy Ameobi, we'd be daft to turn it down. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Fish 10965 Posted August 23, 2012 Share Posted August 23, 2012 Thought Long was 6 million rising to 7 How much did the various championship clubs want for those defenders we were sniffing around at this summer? Surely that's the point? They were asking above the odds and we, rightly, weren't going to pay it. I'm not saying that there isn't inflated fees attached to home grown players, I'm saying that even when you take that into account £12m rising to £15m for an average striker (who's been relegated twice and who has never scored more than 14 goals in a season) is fucking madness. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lake Bells tits 1 Posted August 23, 2012 Share Posted August 23, 2012 Alright was going off this article http://www.mirrorfootball.co.uk/transfer-news/Liverpool-transfer-news-Sunderland-agree-13million-fee-for-Ipswich-Connor-Wickham-article753463.html You have to agree though for the price agreed you would think he was banging in 25+ in the championship, remember I looked up his record and thought " well thats rather unimpressive" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Lake Bells tits 1 Posted August 23, 2012 Share Posted August 23, 2012 Surely that's the point? They were asking above the odds and we, rightly, weren't going to pay it. I'm not saying that there isn't inflated fees attached to home grown players, I'm saying that even when you take that into account £12m rising to £15m for an average striker (who's been relegated twice and who has never scored more than 14 goals in a season) is fucking madness. Yes but surely you see the other side of the coin also, he has been a reliable double digit striker in an absolutely shite team. A sunderland team with good prospects of finishing top-10 should be able to give him better service.. or? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lake Bells tits 1 Posted August 23, 2012 Share Posted August 23, 2012 (edited) I was talking about wickham, not Fletcher.I dont think its madness, its a couple of million more than ideal perhaps but the bottom line is that if he delivers its not expensive. If he flops it is. Could argue this all day long but its pointless really. Joe Cole was hailed signing of the season when he came for free to Liverpool.. Edited August 23, 2012 by Lake Bells tits Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Fish 10965 Posted August 23, 2012 Share Posted August 23, 2012 Yes but surely you see the other side of the coin also, he has been a reliable double digit striker in an absolutely shite team. A sunderland team with good prospects of finishing top-10 should be able to give him better service.. or? My point is that they've got 2 very average strikers and the way you get into the top 10 is with good strikers (and a decent midfield/defence/'keeper) I'd look at Fletcher and see a workmanlike striker. sunderland are a big enough draw to look abroad and pick up some bargains, or compete for players like Pogrebnyak (sp?) or Rodallega. end of the day it's a ridiculous amount to spend on a player who at best is going to get you a player with double figures (just). For the same price we signed Cisse, Ba and Cabaye. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lake Bells tits 1 Posted August 23, 2012 Share Posted August 23, 2012 (edited) Fair enough, I do think the fact that he managed double figures in an absolute shambles of a team such as Wolves means he could easily score a few more in a better sunderland side. If he can get anywhere near 15 goals it will have been a sound purchase tbh, if not well ... you spend your money and take your chances. Bit unfair to compare us as well, for every Cisse, Ba and Cabaye there is a Luque, Boumsong and Owen. There are worse players aquired in the last 12 months for the fees involved - like every single Liverpool transfer. Edited August 23, 2012 by Lake Bells tits Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kitman 2207 Posted August 23, 2012 Share Posted August 23, 2012 12 mill for the likes of Fletcher is pretty risky. When you marry it up to MON's recent dodgy transfer dealings it's fucking risky. It could work out to be inspired but it's entirely possible they've got an overpriced journeyman who's already had his best season in the prem. Fair play to the owner for his backing though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Fish 10965 Posted August 23, 2012 Share Posted August 23, 2012 Fair enough, I do think the fact that he managed double figures in an absolute shambles of a team such as Wolves means he could easily score a few more in a better sunderland side. If he can get anywhere near 15 goals it will have been a sound purchase tbh, if not well ... you spend your money and take your chances. Bit unfair to compare us as well, for every Cisse, Ba and Cabaye there is a Luque, Boumsong and Owen. There are worse players aquired in the last 12 months for the fees involved - like every single Liverpool transfer. My point is that there are bargains out there and can be found with a good scouting network. And Liverpool spunking vast sums on average doesn't excuse sunderland doing the same, in fact it makes it worse. You see the charred remains of your friends hand after he drove into the furnace, you don't do the fucking same. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lake Bells tits 1 Posted August 23, 2012 Share Posted August 23, 2012 My point is that there are bargains out there and can be found with a good scouting network. And Liverpool spunking vast sums on average doesn't excuse sunderland doing the same, in fact it makes it worse. You see the charred remains of your friends hand after he drove into the furnace, you don't do the fucking same. Does Sunderland have a good scouting network though? All they seem to do is pay the airplane tickets for our targets Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Fish 10965 Posted August 23, 2012 Share Posted August 23, 2012 Does Sunderland have a good scouting network though? All they seem to do is pay the airplane tickets for our targets Tell you what, if they spent a decent wedge of the Henderson money on that instead of on MOR strikers like Fletcher, they could well do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lake Bells tits 1 Posted August 23, 2012 Share Posted August 23, 2012 True enough. Ah well, I was hoping for Heskey Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andrew 4857 Posted August 23, 2012 Share Posted August 23, 2012 http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2012/aug/23/qpr-talks-sign-julio-cesar?CMP=twt_gu Queens Park Rangers are in talks to sign the Internazionale goalkeeper Júlio César.The Brazil international was a key part of the Italian side's Champions League win two years ago but now looks likely to leave San Siro. Samir Handanovic arrived from Udinese this summer and César has been allowed to speak to other clubs about a move. Tottenham have been linked with the 32-year-old Inter goalkeeper, but it is understood that QPR are in talks with him. The London club's technical director Mike Rigg is speaking to César's representatives to see whether a move to Loftus Road can be pushed through. The news comes just days after summer signing Rob Green's blunder set Swansea on course for a surprise 5-0 victory at QPR. The defeat has led to the manager Mark Hughes stepping up his search for defensive reinforcements, and talks with the Tottenham club captain Michael Dawson and Real Madrid's Ricardo Carvalho are understood to be ongoing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigWalrus 0 Posted August 23, 2012 Share Posted August 23, 2012 Don't forget the impact of wages. Whilst you might get Cisse, Ba and Cabaye for the same fee as Fletcher, it'll cost you an extra £6m a season in wages to pay for those three. Joe Cole for free, on £80k a week (£4m a year) or Hatem Ben Arfa for a final fee of £2.5m and wages of about £40k a week (£2m a year). I know what I'd rather have. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lake Bells tits 1 Posted August 23, 2012 Share Posted August 23, 2012 Joe cole is on between 90 and 110k a week And Ben arfa was between 5 and 5.5 Bigwalrus, not 2.5! No idea where you got that number! Did you pull it out of your rear cavity? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigWalrus 0 Posted August 23, 2012 Share Posted August 23, 2012 Interview with Graham Carr, a while back. He said the original deal was a loan with the option for a £5.5m permanent deal. However, he was injured and nobody knew if he'd ever be the same, so we offered a lot less and it was accepted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lake Bells tits 1 Posted August 23, 2012 Share Posted August 23, 2012 (edited) The radio interview? I seem to remember that, you are right perhaps! Insane if true - most of the media just referred to the initial buyout clause which indeed was 5.5. a 2.5 million pound Hazard? Feels good man! Edited August 23, 2012 by Lake Bells tits Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigWalrus 0 Posted August 23, 2012 Share Posted August 23, 2012 Can't remember exactly. I've been having a search about but can't find any mention of it. Loads of sources talking about the original loan deal and how we'd have an obligation to pay £5m more if he played 25 games. None, however, have any more detail about the final transfer fee, other than guesses and estimates. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baggio 0 Posted August 23, 2012 Author Share Posted August 23, 2012 Van Der Vaart off to Hamburg according to the Dutch press. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lake Bells tits 1 Posted August 23, 2012 Share Posted August 23, 2012 Good, weakens tottenham even more. Horrible fitness but otherwise cracking player Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
McFaul 35 Posted August 23, 2012 Share Posted August 23, 2012 van der Vaart is a cracking player, I'm going to love this dismantling of Tottenham, because along with Modric, they may never have this calibre of player again. They certainly didn't between 91 and 2008. VDV, Bale and Modric are the reason Tottenham were a bit better than us last season, if Bale goes as well, it's a total rebuilding job, especially when you consider they could probably do with a new striker or two as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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