Homophobia

[Kevin Carr's Gloves 3905]

KCG - are you adopted Scottish now then ??????? And what do you think will happen if they get full independence ?

 

Not Really I am proud to be English (well from the north east cockneys can fuck right off :-)) but I love living in Scotland. I think if Independence comes now (big if) nothing much will change to be honest. Except Scotland which is a nation in it's own right will have full democracy and self determinationism. At the last national election Scotland returned 1 Tory MP. And yet it is governed by the Tories. That can't be right.

Edited April 20, 2012 by Kevin Carr's Gloves

[Happy Face 29]

Aye I didn't really mean it was a cunt's trick. ;h

 

It's a funny one. I'm pretty sure my parents have some funnyish views on homosexuality - nowt hateful or anything mind. Was talking about it recently with a lad at work and his dad is insistent that it's a lifestyle choice - this lad had a friend growing up, and he reckons even from like age 6 it was obvious that this lad was gay, but his dad won't shift even though he shares the opinion about this other kid.

 

You've got me thinking it could be a tactic going forward though.

 

When Leazes is being partuicularly destructive in football, start a General Chat topic on evil muslim gays protesting good, honest, British invasions. Dangle it like a carrot under his nose and lead him away from the football. When he gets a bit beyond the pale in there, start another football thread about Ashley outshining Shepherd in every way.

 

The lifestyle choice view is a funny one like. As if people would choose a life of persecution and discrimination. If anything, a lot of gays choose a straight life to make it easier on themselves publicly. There's no-one straight thinking "why should those gays enjoy all the bashings, I want some of that!"

[Christmas Tree 4729]

Aye I didn't really mean it was a cunt's trick. ;h

 

It's a funny one. I'm pretty sure my parents have some funnyish views on homosexuality - nowt hateful or anything mind. Was talking about it recently with a lad at work and his dad is insistent that it's a lifestyle choice - this lad had a friend growing up, and he reckons even from like age 6 it was obvious that this lad was gay, but his dad won't shift even though he shares the opinion about this other kid.

 

You've got me thinking it could be a tactic going forward though.

 

When Leazes is being partuicularly destructive in football, start a General Chat topic on evil muslim gays protesting good, honest, British invasions. Dangle it like a carrot under his nose and lead him away from the football. When he gets a bit beyond the pale in there, start another football thread about Ashley outshining Shepherd in every way.

 

 

[Gemmill 44995]

Aye I didn't really mean it was a cunt's trick. ;h

 

It's a funny one. I'm pretty sure my parents have some funnyish views on homosexuality - nowt hateful or anything mind. Was talking about it recently with a lad at work and his dad is insistent that it's a lifestyle choice - this lad had a friend growing up, and he reckons even from like age 6 it was obvious that this lad was gay, but his dad won't shift even though he shares the opinion about this other kid.

 

You've got me thinking it could be a tactic going forward though.

 

When Leazes is being partuicularly destructive in football, start a General Chat topic on evil muslim gays protesting good, honest, British invasions. Dangle it like a carrot under his nose and lead him away from the football. When he gets a bit beyond the pale in there, start another football thread about Ashley outshining Shepherd in every way.

 

The lifestyle choice view is a funny one like. As if people would choose a life of persecution and discrimination. If anything, a lot of gays choose a straight life to make it easier on themselves publicly. There's no-one straight thinking "why should those gays enjoy all the bashings, I want some of that!"

 

The persecution thing makes CT's question interesting. Would be nice to just be able to say you'd let nature take its course, but I've no idea how much more difficult life would be - I'm sure school must be pretty shit at times. Be interesting to see what Meenzer and The Fish reckon.

[Happy Face 29]

If it was proved genetic, tested for and "curable" during pregnancy.......

 

What would you do?

 

I'd definitely support that. Anything that could remove homophobia before birth would be a good thing.

[Christmas Tree 4729]

I think it's a very interesting question.

 

I think the vast majority of "straight" couples would choose the "cure".

 

Also putting it down purely to genetics plays into the hands of the far right "find a cure" brigade.

 

Maybe this is why the likes of tatchell disagree with it being genetic.

[Park Life 71]

Maybe the SNP have a long history of Holocaust denial and Nazi sympathy that I'm unaware of.

 

who cares.

 

[Happy Face 29]

I think it's a very interesting question.

 

I think the vast majority of "straight" couples would choose the "cure".

 

Also putting it down purely to genetics plays into the hands of the far right "find a cure" brigade.

 

Maybe this is why the likes of tatchell disagree with it being genetic.

 

Maybe we could cure black too.

Edited April 20, 2012 by Happy Face

[Park Life 71]

Aye I didn't really mean it was a cunt's trick. ;h

 

It's a funny one. I'm pretty sure my parents have some funnyish views on homosexuality - nowt hateful or anything mind. Was talking about it recently with a lad at work and his dad is insistent that it's a lifestyle choice - this lad had a friend growing up, and he reckons even from like age 6 it was obvious that this lad was gay, but his dad won't shift even though he shares the opinion about this other kid.

 

It has to be genetic or there would be no gay people in Yorkshire.

[Park Life 71]

I think it's a very interesting question.

 

I think the vast majority of "straight" couples would choose the "cure".

 

Also putting it down purely to genetics plays into the hands of the far right "find a cure" brigade.

 

Maybe this is why the likes of tatchell disagree with it being genetic.

 

Maybe we could cure black too.

 

They will in the future. YOu'll be able to chose exactly how your children look. Absolutely sure of that.

[Christmas Tree 4729]

I think it's a very interesting question.

 

I think the vast majority of "straight" couples would choose the "cure".

 

Also putting it down purely to genetics plays into the hands of the far right "find a cure" brigade.

 

Maybe this is why the likes of tatchell disagree with it being genetic.

 

Maybe we could cure black too.

 

Not quite the same but nice avoidance.

[Christmas Tree 4729]

I think it's a very interesting question.

 

I think the vast majority of "straight" couples would choose the "cure".

 

Also putting it down purely to genetics plays into the hands of the far right "find a cure" brigade.

 

Maybe this is why the likes of tatchell disagree with it being genetic.

 

Maybe we could cure black too.

 

They will in the future. YOu'll be able to chose exactly how your children look. Absolutely sure of that.

 

Good job Gemmils already here.

[Alex 35120]

I think it's a very interesting question.

 

I think the vast majority of "straight" couples would choose the "cure".

 

Also putting it down purely to genetics plays into the hands of the far right "find a cure" brigade.

 

Maybe this is why the likes of tatchell disagree with it being genetic.

I'm not sure how Tatchell would know. I don't think your being gay makes you an expert on being gay, any more than being straight makes you an expert on being straight. Either way, being gay doesn't make you an expert on genetics. I agree with JawD though, in an ideal world most people want their kids to be straight. The main reasons for that would be because you wouldn't want them to go through all the inevitable hassle and confusion etc., etc. Life's hard enough anyway, especially when you're going through puberty. That doesn't mean you wouldn't love a bairn of yours if they turned out gay of course. If you don't support them through that you're not a very good parent imo.

[Gemmill 44995]

 

 

Good job Gemmils already here.

 

Says Paul Daniels' funnier looking brother.

[Alex 35120]

Good job Gemmils already here.

 

Says Paul Daniels' funnier looking brother.

[Park Life 71]

I think it's a very interesting question.

 

I think the vast majority of "straight" couples would choose the "cure".

 

Also putting it down purely to genetics plays into the hands of the far right "find a cure" brigade.

 

Maybe this is why the likes of tatchell disagree with it being genetic.

I'm not sure how Tatchell would know. I don't think your being gay makes you an expert on being gay, any more than being straight makes you an expert on being straight. Either way, being gay doesn't make you an expert on genetics. I agree with JawD though, in an ideal world most people want their kids to be straight. The main reasons for that would be because you wouldn't want them to go through all the inevitable hassle and confusion etc., etc. Life's hard enough anyway, especially when you're going through puberty. That doesn't mean you wouldn't love a bairn of yours if they turned out gay of course. If you don't support them through that you're not a very good parent imo.

 

There seems some resistence in the gay community to the genetic theory. Not really sure why.

[Alex 35120]

I think it's a very interesting question.

 

I think the vast majority of "straight" couples would choose the "cure".

 

Also putting it down purely to genetics plays into the hands of the far right "find a cure" brigade.

 

Maybe this is why the likes of tatchell disagree with it being genetic.

I'm not sure how Tatchell would know. I don't think your being gay makes you an expert on being gay, any more than being straight makes you an expert on being straight. Either way, being gay doesn't make you an expert on genetics. I agree with JawD though, in an ideal world most people want their kids to be straight. The main reasons for that would be because you wouldn't want them to go through all the inevitable hassle and confusion etc., etc. Life's hard enough anyway, especially when you're going through puberty. That doesn't mean you wouldn't love a bairn of yours if they turned out gay of course. If you don't support them through that you're not a very good parent imo.

 

There seems some resistence in the gay community to the genetic theory. Not really sure why.

Sand in the vaseline?

[Dr Gloom 21965]

another very good piece from brooker. i'm a big fan of his work.

 

i strongly agree that anyone who strongly objects to homosexuality in this day in age is almost certainly using their public display of digust as a defence mechanism in an attempt to supress their true feelings.

 

leazesmag is a closet bender basically.

[Alex 35120]

Forget about the Simon Hughes thing until NJS raised it actually. Your average politician summed up right there.

[Park Life 71]

another very good piece from brooker. i'm a big fan of his work.

 

i strongly agree that anyone who strongly objects to homosexuality in this day in age is almost certainly using their public display of digust as a defence mechanism in an attempt to supress their true feelings.

 

leazesmag is a closet bender basically.

 

Like Hitler.

[Happy Face 29]

I think it's a very interesting question.

 

I think the vast majority of "straight" couples would choose the "cure".

 

Also putting it down purely to genetics plays into the hands of the far right "find a cure" brigade.

 

Maybe this is why the likes of tatchell disagree with it being genetic.

 

Maybe we could cure black too.

 

Not quite the same but nice avoidance.

 

What's the difference?

[Christmas Tree 4729]

I think it's a very interesting question.

 

I think the vast majority of "straight" couples would choose the "cure".

 

Also putting it down purely to genetics plays into the hands of the far right "find a cure" brigade.

 

Maybe this is why the likes of tatchell disagree with it being genetic.

I'm not sure how Tatchell would know.

 

I dont think for a minute he does but by taking the "choice" position he can argue against the its genetic / find a cure brigade.

 

Not that I like PT in any way shape or form. Think he's an odious creature (just for the record).

[Christmas Tree 4729]

 

 

What's the difference?

 

I think Black parents are quite happy having black children where as straight parents (of any colour) would probably prefer straight kids.

[Alex 35120]

Thing is, if you 'choose' to be gay, it's because you fancy people of the same sex, so it doesn't work, does it?

I remember reading something that said it was like being left or right-handed in the sense that you aren't born that way but you already have had your path chosen (for want of a better phrase) very early in your development. I assume that's just another theory.

[JawD 99]

I think it's a very interesting question.

 

I think the vast majority of "straight" couples would choose the "cure".

 

Also putting it down purely to genetics plays into the hands of the far right "find a cure" brigade.

 

Maybe this is why the likes of tatchell disagree with it being genetic.

I'm not sure how Tatchell would know. I don't think your being gay makes you an expert on being gay, any more than being straight makes you an expert on being straight. Either way, being gay doesn't make you an expert on genetics. I agree with JawD though, in an ideal world most people want their kids to be straight. The main reasons for that would be because you wouldn't want them to go through all the inevitable hassle and confusion etc., etc. Life's hard enough anyway, especially when you're going through puberty. That doesn't mean you wouldn't love a bairn of yours if they turned out gay of course. If you don't support them through that you're not a very good parent imo.

 

Exactly. Of course Id support my kids if either was gay. But as a parent I kind of have this (is it selfish?) vision of them getting a good education, good career, married and a couple of kids. Once that is in place I reckon I could die happy. Life isnt that straight forward though.