How Newcastle Became Talk Of The Toon

[Tom 14011]

Some of it reads good - then you get to the iffy parts.

 

The reasoning behind 'Sports Direct Arena' is revenue yet the club haven't recieved a penny from Sports Direct - it's all been free.

 

Also the part where it mentions all of our players are effectively for sale, even if it's true it's not something you should go about shouting, I thought the Carroll sale would ''allow'' us to hold onto our players in case 'sovereign nations' came into buy them?

 

There's no point in building a decent team if it can be broken up for cash, obviously there are planned replacements for each player but this hasn't been done with much haste recently and now matter how good a scout Graham Carr is he can't get it right all the time, players aren't cogs in a machine, they won't all instantly fit.

 

Anyway I'm going to enjoy what's left of the season before the media have an entire summer of 'Newcastle player linked with...'

[Dr Gloom 21813]

ashley's still a cunt. he gambled and got lucky. i've no faith in him that we'll repeat the trick next season.

 

happy to be proved wrong though, obviously.

[Christmas Tree 4689]

ashley's still a cunt. he gambled and got lucky. i've no faith in him that we'll repeat the trick next season.

 

happy to be proved wrong though, obviously.

 

Bollocks!

 

Virtually every decision he has made since relegation has been calculated and is why we are in such a great position we are in today.

 

Of course a few unpopular decisions but luck? No way.

[manc-mag 1]

I'd assume the same ewerk if we were not a genuine story. Could well be of course but the strength of that story keeps increasing due to results, the last one I put down more to the disarray at Liverpool than our strengths.

 

I completely agree with Manc-mag's post except to say that as is rightly pointed out on here (and something I tried to estimate financially last year on here) the club's commercial income is currently well below it's potential. There are mitigating factors but Ashley will be doing a brilliant job when that is addressed, until then it's good but not great.

 

Absolutely agree with that fwiw, and I was going to reference it but felt it deviated too much from the main point I was trying to make. The commercial revenues are genuinely sub-standard 'for a club of our size and stature' (a context where I'm actually happy to use that particular turn of phrase) and need addressing in the next wave. Theres real scope to increase income there, but again for mainly historical reasons, I dont expect it to shoot us into the same strata as Liverpool, hence the focus will still need to be on the development methods that are working well for us at the moment. In fact unless and until your levels of income are the same as the other 3 species of club mentioned, if you only try and compete with them on a short term spend basis, without trying to turn other factors to your advantage which the rich clubs dont exploit or under exploit, you're basically not working hard enough in the running of your football club in 2012.

[LeazesMag 0]

ashley's still a cunt. he gambled and got lucky. i've no faith in him that we'll repeat the trick next season.

 

happy to be proved wrong though, obviously.

 

well said.

[manc-mag 1]

Thing is, if he'd bought the club with his eyes open, he could have put this current model in place immediately and saved himself millions. I just think he owes us a lot more

 

I would think he wishes he had, widely reported he knows he made mistakesand put trust in the wrong people, now it's his way or the highway and it would appear to be working.

 

I just dont think it was necessary at the time tbh. As long as the credit lines for football remained in place he could have dicked about for a couple of years playing fantasy football and then shipped it on for a couple hundred extra million. He wouldn't have even had to address the debt etc etc.

 

That's the only way the Halls and Shepherd were able to make £100 million out a club that was a consistent and compound debt and it's what he would have done too for me. Only the arse fell out of finance and then suddenly you dont have a buyer any more because 90% of potential football buyers are just chancers or leveraged cowboys, just like all of footballs 'profits' are complete fluff/untenable without outside finance allowing them to be run as casinos.

[LeazesMag 0]

I'd assume the same ewerk if we were not a genuine story. Could well be of course but the strength of that story keeps increasing due to results, the last one I put down more to the disarray at Liverpool than our strengths.

 

I completely agree with Manc-mag's post except to say that as is rightly pointed out on here (and something I tried to estimate financially last year on here) the club's commercial income is currently well below it's potential . There are mitigating factors but Ashley will be doing a brilliant job when that is addressed, until then it's good but not great.

 

what happened to the 14th biggest revenues in football ?

[JawD 99]

 

Absolutely agree with that fwiw, and I was going to reference it but felt it deviated too much from the main point I was trying to make. The commercial revenues are genuinely sub-standard 'for a club of our size and stature' (a context where I'm actually happy to use that particular turn of phrase) and need addressing in the next wave. Theres real scope to increase income there, but again for mainly historical reasons, I dont expect it to shoot us into the same strata as Liverpool, hence the focus will still need to be on the development methods that are working well for us at the moment. In fact unless and until your levels of income are the same as the other 3 species of club mentioned, if you only try and compete with them on a short term spend basis, without trying to turn other factors to your advantage which the rich clubs dont exploit or under exploit, you're basically not working hard enough in the running of your football club in 2012.

 

let's accept inferiority to the big clubs and not bother trying to go compete with them then should we ?

 

All LM's guff

 

How the hell do you go toe to toe on spending with Man Utd, Chelsea or Man City? Picking the teams above us. Arsenal spend less. Spurs were selling their top players before they got where they are now.

 

This said, I agree with those taking this seasons "success" precautionary. Repeating it next season will be tougher and a bigger test of their "plan"

[LeazesMag 0]

I'd assume the same ewerk if we were not a genuine story. Could well be of course but the strength of that story keeps increasing due to results, the last one I put down more to the disarray at Liverpool than our strengths.

 

I completely agree with Manc-mag's post except to say that as is rightly pointed out on here (and something I tried to estimate financially last year on here) the club's commercial income is currently well below it's potential. There are mitigating factors but Ashley will be doing a brilliant job when that is addressed, until then it's good but not great.

 

Absolutely agree with that fwiw, and I was going to reference it but felt it deviated too much from the main point I was trying to make. The commercial revenues are genuinely sub-standard 'for a club of our size and stature' [/b] (a context where I'm actually happy to use that particular turn of phrase) and need addressing in the next wave. Theres real scope to increase income there, but again for mainly historical reasons, I dont expect it to shoot us into the same strata as Liverpool, hence the focus will still need to be on the development methods that are working well for us at the moment. In fact unless and until your levels of income are the same as the other 3 species of club mentioned, if you only try and compete with them on a short term spend basis, without trying to turn other factors to your advantage which the rich clubs dont exploit or under exploit, you're basically not working hard enough in the running of your football club in 2012.

 

and see post nr 2 by yourself

 

All LM's guff about realising the potential size of the club etc etc

Edited April 6, 2012 by LeazesMag

[manc-mag 1]

 

 

How the hell do you go toe to toe on spending with Man Utd, Chelsea or Man City? Picking the teams above us. Arsenal spend less. Spurs were selling their top players before they got where they are now.

 

This said, I agree with those taking this seasons "success" precautionary. Repeating it next season will be tougher and a bigger test of their "plan"

 

Absolutely. In fact any situation where you're progressing season on season represents a massive achievement which is far from easy. Only Man U manage it regularly really and they have to do it just to stand still (as it were).

 

Taking absolutely nowt for granted here.

[LeazesMag 0]

 

 

How the hell do you go toe to toe on spending with Man Utd, Chelsea or Man City? Picking the teams above us. Arsenal spend less. Spurs were selling their top players before they got where they are now.

 

This said, I agree with those taking this seasons "success" precautionary. Repeating it next season will be tougher and a bigger test of their "plan"

 

I changed that post because I realised it would be interpreted as you have done. I never mentioned ManU, Chelsea or Man City, although Arsenal, Liverpool and Spurs are giving it their best shot. That is who I am talking about, and I don't believe there is a "plan" to compete with them at all, and never has been, but we have been there before..............

[ChezGiven 0]

I'd assume the same ewerk if we were not a genuine story. Could well be of course but the strength of that story keeps increasing due to results, the last one I put down more to the disarray at Liverpool than our strengths.

 

I completely agree with Manc-mag's post except to say that as is rightly pointed out on here (and something I tried to estimate financially last year on here) the club's commercial income is currently well below it's potential . There are mitigating factors but Ashley will be doing a brilliant job when that is addressed, until then it's good but not great.

 

what happened to the 14th biggest revenues in football ?

We dropped a few places. Happens.

[JawD 99]

 

 

How the hell do you go toe to toe on spending with Man Utd, Chelsea or Man City? Picking the teams above us. Arsenal spend less. Spurs were selling their top players before they got where they are now.

 

This said, I agree with those taking this seasons "success" precautionary. Repeating it next season will be tougher and a bigger test of their "plan"

 

I changed that post because I realised it would be interpreted as you have done. I never mentioned ManU, Chelsea or Man City, although Arsenal, Liverpool and Spurs are giving it their best shot. That is who I am talking about, and I don't believe there is a "plan" to compete with them at all, and never has been, but we have been there before..............

 

Well I only mentioned them as they are the only teams above us that I mentioned.

 

As for plan, they already said their plan for this season was top 10 which was fair enough.

[Dr Gloom 21813]

ashley's still a cunt. he gambled and got lucky. i've no faith in him that we'll repeat the trick next season.

 

happy to be proved wrong though, obviously.

 

Bollocks!

 

Virtually every decision he has made since relegation has been calculated and is why we are in such a great position we are in today.

 

Of course a few unpopular decisions but luck? No way.

 

balls man. he's a chancer, a gambler. he stumbled upon a magic formula but i wouldn't credit him with any grand plan. nor do i have faith that it will be repeated next season.

 

look at how he got us to where we are. sacking hughton, the man that got us promoted, got the feel good factor going again, got the players playing with spirit and had us sat in mid table when most thought we'd struggle. no one on here wanted hughton sacked.

 

then he appoints pardew, a man no other premier league side would go near. a man few of us wanted. then he flogs all the senior players. the majority of whom stuck with us during relegation and grafted to get us back up. most of whom the majority of us wanted to stay at the club.

 

the players that came in have all done brilliantly. fair play to pardew and the playing staff. this season had been unbelievable. i'm loving it.

 

but last summer i wanted ashley to build and keep our best players. i want him to do the same again this summer. you can't rebuild a squad every year. it won't always work.

 

ashley's main goal was cost cutting while securing premier league status - hardly the most obvious way to achieve european football. i'm hoping that this season has reignited his passion for the club and this summer we hang onto our senior players and add to them instead.

 

and the man's still a cunt, for obvious reasons. i'll never sing his name. not even if we were to win the league while he was in charge.

[Christmas Tree 4689]

Bollocks on so many levels that Im too pissed to go in too fully.

 

Appointed Hughton to win promotion. Tick

 

Didnt trust Hughton to take us to the next level so appointed Pardew. Tick.

 

Sold Carrol and replaced with Demba Ba and Cisse.... Big Fucking Tick.

 

Appointed Graham Carr and laid out buying criteria.... Another Big Fucking Tick.

 

Restored financials to a virtual break even.....Tick.

 

Replaced moaning ungrateful players with better........Tick.

 

 

The club from top to bottom is in a fantastic place to where it was following relegation and where it was 12 months ago. This is totally due to Ashley deciding to do it his way.

[Dr Gloom 21813]

it's not a grand vision man, it's taking a chance while doing it on the cheap. albeit with some unbelievable results.

 

if the same policy works for another season or two i might come around to your way of thinking. until then, i'm putting it down to luck.

 

and the man is undisputedly still a cunt.

[Baggio 0]

How the hell do you go toe to toe on spending with Man Utd, Chelsea or Man City? Picking the teams above us. Arsenal spend less. Spurs were selling their top players before they got where they are now.

 

This said, I agree with those taking this seasons "success" precautionary. Repeating it next season will be tougher and a bigger test of their "plan"

 

Absolutely. In fact any situation where you're progressing season on season represents a massive achievement which is far from easy. Only Man U manage it regularly really and they have to do it just to stand still (as it were).

 

Taking absolutely nowt for granted here.

 

Llambias said in a recent interview that in the clubs plan that a top ten finish was the aim this season, he also said top 8 was the plan for next and that that won't change even if we do have a higher finish this season.

 

It's a good attitude to have and will keep some of the pressure off Pardew.

[Baggio 0]

it's not a grand vision man, it's taking a chance while doing it on the cheap. albeit with some unbelievable results.

 

if the same policy works for another season or two i might come around to your way of thinking. until then, i'm putting it down to luck.

 

and the man is undisputedly still a cunt.

 

His vision was to bring in better players on smaller wages, I don't really see how that wasn't an achievable vision for the club.

 

Replacing Hughton with Pardew was a risk, as was selling Carroll last day of the window without a replacement but that's their job to make decisions like that.

Edited April 6, 2012 by Baggio

[Christmas Tree 4689]

it's not a grand vision man, it's taking a chance while doing it on the cheap. albeit with some unbelievable results.

 

if the same policy works for another season or two i might come around to your way of thinking. until then, i'm putting it down to luck.

 

and the man is undisputedly still a cunt.

 

Your wrong but its not worth going back and forth over. I would just say your outlook has been consistently gloomy for the last two years while myself and others have pointed out how positive it actually looked. Its time you started believing rather than always putting it off til next year aka Leazes Mag.

[Dr Gloom 21813]

it's not a grand vision man, it's taking a chance while doing it on the cheap. albeit with some unbelievable results.

 

if the same policy works for another season or two i might come around to your way of thinking. until then, i'm putting it down to luck.

 

and the man is undisputedly still a cunt.

 

Your wrong but its not worth going back and forth over. I would just say your outlook has been consistently gloomy for the last two years while myself and others have pointed out how positive it actually looked. Its time you started believing rather than always putting it off til next year aka Leazes Mag.

 

i'm not wrong. credit where it's due - the coaching staff and the players have surpassed all expectations. they've worked miracles. not even the most optimistic on here predicted us to have the season we're having.

 

i'm not prepared to give ashley much credit yet though. so far the success has been achieved despite his actions rather than because of them. i'll be the first to admit i'm wrong if this season lays the foundations for future success. unlike last summer, i'd like to see us hang on to the core of players that have done so well this season and add to the squad. ashley doing that will go a long way to changing my mind that it wasn't a fluke and that he's serious about the club's future success.

Edited April 6, 2012 by Dr Gloom

[Dr Gloom 21813]

it's not a grand vision man, it's taking a chance while doing it on the cheap. albeit with some unbelievable results.

 

if the same policy works for another season or two i might come around to your way of thinking. until then, i'm putting it down to luck.

 

and the man is undisputedly still a cunt.

 

His vision was to bring in better players on smaller wages, I don't really see how that wasn't an achievable vision for the club.

 

Replacing Hughton with Pardew was a risk, as was selling Carroll last day of the window without a replacement but that's their job to make decisions like that.

 

to gamble in other words, exactly my point.

 

the gamble has worked. this season.

 

i wouldn't want him gambling with the playing staff like he did in the last 18 months every season.

[Happy Face 29]

Ashleys done a brilliant job where it matters most for 2 years. When he started to get it right it was warranted to be cautious because of the 3 years previous. But he doesn't deserve stick until it goes tits up again.....footballwise.

[Dr Gloom 21813]

Ashleys done a brilliant job where it matters most for 2 years. When he started to get it right it was warranted to be cautious because of the 3 years previous. But he doesn't deserve stick until it goes tits up again.....footballwise.

 

still a cunt like.

[LeazesMag 0]

it's not a grand vision man, it's taking a chance while doing it on the cheap. albeit with some unbelievable results.

 

if the same policy works for another season or two i might come around to your way of thinking. until then, i'm putting it down to luck.

 

and the man is undisputedly still a cunt.

 

Your wrong but its not worth going back and forth over. I would just say your outlook has been consistently gloomy for the last two years while myself and others have pointed out how positive it actually looked. Its time you started believing rather than always putting it off til next year aka Leazes Mag.

 

i'm not wrong. credit where it's due - the coaching staff and the players have surpassed all expectations. they've worked miracles. not even the most optimistic on here predicted us to have the season we're having.

 

i'm not prepared to give ashley much credit yet though. so far the success has been achieved despite his actions rather than because of them. i'll be the first to admit i'm wrong if this season lays the foundations for future success. unlike last summer, i'd like to see us hang on to the core of players that have done so well this season and add to the squad. ashley doing that will go a long way to changing my mind that it wasn't a fluke and that he's serious about the club's future success.

 

you're sounding more like me all the time. Well done.

[LeazesMag 0]

I'd assume the same ewerk if we were not a genuine story. Could well be of course but the strength of that story keeps increasing due to results, the last one I put down more to the disarray at Liverpool than our strengths.

 

I completely agree with Manc-mag's post except to say that as is rightly pointed out on here (and something I tried to estimate financially last year on here) the club's commercial income is currently well below it's potential . There are mitigating factors but Ashley will be doing a brilliant job when that is addressed, until then it's good but not great.

 

what happened to the 14th biggest revenues in football ?

We dropped a few places. Happens.

 

but what happened ? How many places ? How much money ? I thought he was a financial whizz kid ? How come he has took it backwards at all from the hopeless owners who he bought it from ? Has he taken the club backwards in terms of financial expectations as well as on the field ambitions ?