Howay 12496 Posted March 28, 2022 Share Posted March 28, 2022 #business #trees #finance 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monkeys Fist 42225 Posted March 28, 2022 Share Posted March 28, 2022 It’s one of Deano’s best formations that mind. Nice little Sitka as Libero, Norwegian Pine as a False 10, and Douglas Fir as Trequartista. #field #shrubs #lawnsmowed #£500aweek 10 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobinRobin 11203 Posted March 29, 2022 Share Posted March 29, 2022 6 hours ago, Monkeys Fist said: It’s one of Deano’s best formations that mind. Nice little Sitka as Libero, Norwegian Pine as a False 10, and Douglas Fir as Trequartista. #field #shrubs #lawnsmowed #£500aweek Don't get Fish started Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Fish 10823 Posted March 29, 2022 Share Posted March 29, 2022 (edited) Saw this in a thread about the article in the Athletic where they've adjusted the transfer fees paid for some big name players into todays market. So, Shearer's £15m would be £220m in todays market. They're also insisting Shearer wasn't as good as Henry (that's not what the article is about), that Phillips would be worth £150m (that's not what the article is about). Edited March 29, 2022 by The Fish 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom 14011 Posted March 29, 2022 Share Posted March 29, 2022 “Shearer’s career was a fluke” Not just the odd goal, his entire career. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rayvin 5189 Posted March 29, 2022 Share Posted March 29, 2022 So Shearer benefited from playing at a time when there were no good goalkeepers, but that only he was able to benefit from it. That's his argument in full. If goalkeepers were shit, every other forward of his generation would look "better" as well. And so they would have all been worth more. And so Shearer, relative to other forwards, would have been worth... exactly the same. If he'd gone in claiming other forwards were shit then that'd be one thing, but calling out keepers as the reason Shearer looked so good is just fucking stupid. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Fish 10823 Posted March 29, 2022 Share Posted March 29, 2022 3 minutes ago, Tom said: “Shearer’s career was a fluke” Not just the odd goal, his entire career. There were no good goalies. Zero. Schmeichel, Seaman, Martyn, Flowers, Big Neville Southall, de Goey, off the top of my head. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Fish 10823 Posted March 29, 2022 Share Posted March 29, 2022 1 minute ago, Rayvin said: So Shearer benefited from playing at a time when there were no good goalkeepers, but that only he was able to benefit from it. That's his argument in full. If goalkeepers were shit, every other forward of his generation would look "better" as well. And so they would have all been worth more. And so Shearer, relative to other forwards, would have been worth... exactly the same. If he'd gone in claiming other forwards were shit then that'd be one thing, but calling out keepers as the reason Shearer looked so good is just fucking stupid. These are excellent points. But you're forgetting one important thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monkeys Fist 42225 Posted March 29, 2022 Share Posted March 29, 2022 42 minutes ago, The Fish said: These are excellent points. But you're forgetting one important thing. March 36th 1970, good and proper? 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Fish 10823 Posted March 29, 2022 Share Posted March 29, 2022 23 minutes ago, Monkeys Fist said: March 36th 1970, good and proper? #FTM. #SmellyMags. #LibraryComputer. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex 34970 Posted March 29, 2022 Share Posted March 29, 2022 1 hour ago, Rayvin said: So Shearer benefited from playing at a time when there were no good goalkeepers, but that only he was able to benefit from it. That's his argument in full. If goalkeepers were shit, every other forward of his generation would look "better" as well. And so they would have all been worth more. And so Shearer, relative to other forwards, would have been worth... exactly the same. If he'd gone in claiming other forwards were shit then that'd be one thing, but calling out keepers as the reason Shearer looked so good is just fucking stupid. Well he was recognised as being the 3rd best player in the world when there were players like Ronaldo, Weah, Batistuta and Sowper Kev playing in the same position so he can’t have been that lucky 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Howmanheyman 32940 Posted March 29, 2022 Share Posted March 29, 2022 'flukey career', man. They are, truly, fucking unreal. Please never let them change. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kevin Carr's Gloves 3860 Posted March 29, 2022 Share Posted March 29, 2022 Tbf I do like how one of them points out George Best technically isn’t British. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Mighty Hog 518 Posted March 29, 2022 Share Posted March 29, 2022 That BBC Newcastle one was something. Had a look and it's almost like the actual topic of discussion just delays them getting to the actual point of the messageboard, calling each other mags or general in-fighting. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Howay 12496 Posted March 29, 2022 Share Posted March 29, 2022 2 hours ago, The Fish said: Saw this in a thread about the article in the Athletic where they've adjusted the transfer fees paid for some big name players into todays market. So, Shearer's £15m would be £220m in todays market. They're also insisting Shearer wasn't as good as Henry (that's not what the article is about), that Phillips would be worth £150m (that's not what the article is about). It’s honestly one of their biggest fucking delusions that Phillips was anywhere near Alan Shearer as a player. No wonder they can’t discuss football properly when they think players like Kevin Phillips and Jermain Defoe were world class ffs. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Fish 10823 Posted March 29, 2022 Share Posted March 29, 2022 7 minutes ago, Howay said: It’s honestly one of their biggest fucking delusions that Phillips was anywhere near Alan Shearer as a player. No wonder they can’t discuss football properly when they think players like Kevin Phillips and Jermain Defoe were world class ffs. Did Shearer ever win the European Golden Shoe? Well, did he? Did Shearer ever score the winner for Sunderland in the derby? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom 14011 Posted March 29, 2022 Share Posted March 29, 2022 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex 34970 Posted March 29, 2022 Share Posted March 29, 2022 1 hour ago, Howay said: It’s honestly one of their biggest fucking delusions that Phillips was anywhere near Alan Shearer as a player. No wonder they can’t discuss football properly when they think players like Kevin Phillips and Jermain Defoe were world class ffs. Think I’ve said this before but when Phillips was in his prime there were about 5 better English centre forwards 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NJS 4375 Posted March 29, 2022 Share Posted March 29, 2022 I think they once admitted that the golden shoe that Phillips won wasnt actually open to English forwards the year Cole scored 36 (3 more than Ratboy managed another year) or when Shearer scored more for Blackburn - not sure of the provenance of this or it might have been that Shearer and Cole were outscored by Albanian goatherders playing in a league with no nets as the basis of the competition took no account of the league or the number of games played. It's another one of their "truths" that Phillips was fucked over by England somehow - as Alex mentioned there being several established players better than him is never mentioned. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ewerk 30423 Posted March 29, 2022 Share Posted March 29, 2022 36 minutes ago, Alex said: Think I’ve said this before but when Phillips was in his prime there were about 5 better English centre forwards Aye, ZERO appearances for England in competitive matches. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex 34970 Posted March 29, 2022 Share Posted March 29, 2022 5 minutes ago, NJS said: I think they once admitted that the golden shoe that Phillips won wasnt actually open to English forwards the year Cole scored 36 (3 more than Ratboy managed another year) or when Shearer scored more for Blackburn - not sure of the provenance of this or it might have been that Shearer and Cole were outscored by Albanian goatherders playing in a league with no nets as the basis of the competition took no account of the league or the number of games played. It's another one of their "truths" that Phillips was fucked over by England somehow - as Alex mentioned there being several established players better than him is never mentioned. I think Mario Jardel scored a lot more than Phillips but that season the Portuguese League was downgraded so Uefa only counted his goals x 1.5 whereas the top league goals were counted x 2. I used to buy World Soccer a lot back then and it sticks in my memory for some reason. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gemmill 44569 Posted March 29, 2022 Share Posted March 29, 2022 Is it really called a golden "shoe"? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex 34970 Posted March 29, 2022 Share Posted March 29, 2022 2 minutes ago, Gemmill said: Is it really called a golden "shoe"? Aye I’d always referred to it as the golden boot for that and the top scorer in the World Cup and Euros but I think Golden Shoe is the proper name Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NJS 4375 Posted March 29, 2022 Share Posted March 29, 2022 According to Wiki, it wasn't formally awarded between 91 and 96 - covering Shearer' and Cole's years - McCoist scored more than Shearer in his blackburn years and Cole was outscored by someone playing for Portmadog in the welsh league. Henry won it twice for Arsenal when it was formally resinstated after Phillips. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Howmanheyman 32940 Posted March 29, 2022 Share Posted March 29, 2022 I think Phillips was a cracking little player to be fair, but he wasn't in the same category as the likes of Shearer. I loved David Kelly Quinny, Goddard and McGhee but even though I can genuinely say Shearer isn't in my top favourite NUFC players I can say without question he was the best striker we've had in my time and probably better than most of the rest of the league's strikers in my time too. I can absolutely see why the mackems revere Phillips though, I mean, there's only really Gabbiadini who comes close and he was strictly prolific second division striker as well. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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