ewerk 30258 Posted May 9, 2018 Share Posted May 9, 2018 59 minutes ago, SpaceCadet said: This is where we're at... Given you any ideas? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SpaceCadet 5 Posted May 9, 2018 Share Posted May 9, 2018 14 minutes ago, ewerk said: Given you any ideas? I would have to be fucking quartered Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ewerk 30258 Posted May 9, 2018 Share Posted May 9, 2018 So what’s the downside? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
essembeeofsunderland 811 Posted May 10, 2018 Share Posted May 10, 2018 November 7th.No need to put it in diary.I'm sure I'll remember.The 45th anniversary of the last time the makems played in Europe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex 34835 Posted May 10, 2018 Share Posted May 10, 2018 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rayvin 5176 Posted May 10, 2018 Share Posted May 10, 2018 How many mackems do you think would know that off the top of their head? One or two? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leon 13 Posted May 10, 2018 Share Posted May 10, 2018 4 hours ago, Rayvin said: How many mackems do you think would know that off the top of their head? One or two? Clearly all them since they're the most loyal supporters ever to stay away from a stadium. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Fish 10722 Posted May 10, 2018 Share Posted May 10, 2018 (edited) 21 hours ago, Howay said: Aye it’s a weak league as they really are hitting the bottom rungs of the Pro tiers (think the average salary is something like £50k-£100k a year) so I could see them stabilizing down there. The issue for them will be getting out of the league tbh, as the longer they’re in it the harder it’ll be. They should fucking forget about the PL though as they’re a million miles away from that now. When was the last time a side was relegated to league 1 and returned? Southampton? That took them 7 seasons, administration and a takeover by a billionaire. Edit - It was Leicester in 2014 and it took them 10 years and a takeover by mandaric, then the King Power Group. Leeds and Portsmouth are much less fortunate, the former has been out of the top flight for 14yrs, the latter 8 and neither looking likely to return any time soon. Best possible case for Sunderland is an immediate return to the Championship for the 2019/20 season and a subsequent promotion for the Premier League's 20/21 season. I just can't see that happening short of a miracle or cheating on a Football Manager save. 21 clubs have been relegated from the Premier League down to at least League 1. 2 clubs were in League 2 this season; Swindon & Coventry, 7 were in League 1; Blackburn Rovers, Blackpool, Bolton Wanderers, Bradford City, Charlton Athletic, Oldham Athletic & Portsmouth, 9 in the Championship; Barnsley, Leeds United, Norwich City, Nottingham Forest, QPR, Sheffield United, Sheffield Wednesday, Wigan Athletic, Wolves, and only 3 have returned; Leicester, Southampton and Man City. The average time spent out of the top flight for double relegated teams is 12 years. Sunderland are far, far more likely to join the ranks of Norwich and Leeds, than they are to become the next Leicester or Southampton. Edited May 10, 2018 by The Fish 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex 34835 Posted May 10, 2018 Share Posted May 10, 2018 Hope Sunderland don't win the league on their return, mind. Could you imagine? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StoneColdStephenIreland 74 Posted May 10, 2018 Share Posted May 10, 2018 We'll not see them in the Premier League for at least another decade. They're knackered. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
essembeeofsunderland 811 Posted May 10, 2018 Share Posted May 10, 2018 I think they'll have a good chance of promotion next season but find it very difficult to get back in the Prem for a number of seasons.No or very little parachute money will see to that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
essembeeofsunderland 811 Posted May 10, 2018 Share Posted May 10, 2018 5 hours ago, Rayvin said: How many mackems do you think would know that off the top of their head? One or two? Did you not know they took 15,000 to both Vasas Budapest and Sporting Lisbon.sunluns a massive club. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leon 13 Posted May 10, 2018 Share Posted May 10, 2018 1 minute ago, essembeeofsunderland said: Did you not know they took 15,000 to both Vasas Budapest and Sporting Lisbon.sunluns a massive club. So I've read on RTG. It's no surprise we're always 'fumin' and 'seething' when they make some witty comment about us. I mean, they thwarted all their made up crap our plans to gate crash their last game by buying up all the Wolves tickets and if they hadn't flown their own banner and 'controlled the airspace' who knows what we would have done. It wouldn't have been as clever as something they'd do though, what with them being every other teams special friends. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monkeys Fist 42058 Posted May 10, 2018 Share Posted May 10, 2018 Very “special” Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Howay 12496 Posted May 10, 2018 Share Posted May 10, 2018 9 hours ago, The Fish said: When was the last time a side was relegated to league 1 and returned? Southampton? That took them 7 seasons, administration and a takeover by a billionaire. Edit - It was Leicester in 2014 and it took them 10 years and a takeover by mandaric, then the King Power Group. Leeds and Portsmouth are much less fortunate, the former has been out of the top flight for 14yrs, the latter 8 and neither looking likely to return any time soon. Best possible case for Sunderland is an immediate return to the Championship for the 2019/20 season and a subsequent promotion for the Premier League's 20/21 season. I just can't see that happening short of a miracle or cheating on a Football Manager save. 21 clubs have been relegated from the Premier League down to at least League 1. 2 clubs were in League 2 this season; Swindon & Coventry, 7 were in League 1; Blackburn Rovers, Blackpool, Bolton Wanderers, Bradford City, Charlton Athletic, Oldham Athletic & Portsmouth, 9 in the Championship; Barnsley, Leeds United, Norwich City, Nottingham Forest, QPR, Sheffield United, Sheffield Wednesday, Wigan Athletic, Wolves, and only 3 have returned; Leicester, Southampton and Man City. The average time spent out of the top flight for double relegated teams is 12 years. Sunderland are far, far more likely to join the ranks of Norwich and Leeds, than they are to become the next Leicester or Southampton. Aye, good summary of the situation. Your facts back up just how hard it is to return. I suppose it makes sense, when you drop into the Championship the longer you stay in it the more Championship standard your squad becomes. They’ve dropped again so their issue is even if they do manage promotion next season (fwiw I don’t see them doing it as I think there’s going to be too much upheaval, there are two sides dropping that came above them, and honestly I think their owner is a right fucking charlatan) they’ll firmly be a lower end Championship side quality wise (at the absolute best, they’ll be weaker than that iyam) so any shot of a double promotion is shot right there, especially with their owner Del Boy completely incapable of bankrolling them and their pathetic ticket sales not bringing in a good enough revenue. Imho this bloke will recruit a League One manager, look to sell off any sellable assets, and aim to have the manager play the youth and/or sign some League One players. There won’t be a “war chest” like some of the mackems think, or a big promotion push, he’ll have them stabilize down there to stop the rot and decline. The plus for us is this could see them become a proper League One side. I agree with Stone cold Stephen Ireland that we’ll not see these pricks in the PL in an awfully long time (personally hope they never return). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tdansmith 3209 Posted May 11, 2018 Share Posted May 11, 2018 15 hours ago, The Fish said: When was the last time a side was relegated to league 1 and returned? Southampton? That took them 7 seasons, administration and a takeover by a billionaire. Edit - It was Leicester in 2014 and it took them 10 years and a takeover by mandaric, then the King Power Group. Leeds and Portsmouth are much less fortunate, the former has been out of the top flight for 14yrs, the latter 8 and neither looking likely to return any time soon. Best possible case for Sunderland is an immediate return to the Championship for the 2019/20 season and a subsequent promotion for the Premier League's 20/21 season. I just can't see that happening short of a miracle or cheating on a Football Manager save. 21 clubs have been relegated from the Premier League down to at least League 1. 2 clubs were in League 2 this season; Swindon & Coventry, 7 were in League 1; Blackburn Rovers, Blackpool, Bolton Wanderers, Bradford City, Charlton Athletic, Oldham Athletic & Portsmouth, 9 in the Championship; Barnsley, Leeds United, Norwich City, Nottingham Forest, QPR, Sheffield United, Sheffield Wednesday, Wigan Athletic, Wolves, and only 3 have returned; Leicester, Southampton and Man City. The average time spent out of the top flight for double relegated teams is 12 years. Sunderland are far, far more likely to join the ranks of Norwich and Leeds, than they are to become the next Leicester or Southampton. "The average time spent out of the top flight for double relegated teams is 12 years" wow ! Someone go and tell them that on RTG Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
essembeeofsunderland 811 Posted May 11, 2018 Share Posted May 11, 2018 14 hours ago, Leon said: So I've read on RTG. It's no surprise we're always 'fumin' and 'seething' when they make some witty comment about us. I mean, they thwarted all their made up crap our plans to gate crash their last game by buying up all the Wolves tickets and if they hadn't flown their own banner and 'controlled the airspace' who knows what we would have done. It wouldn't have been as clever as something they'd do though, what with them being every other teams special friends. They complain when someone posts about their poor attendee figures then brag how brilliant the attendees are. We recently put the bed their nonsense about real attendance numbers going down after relegation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Gloom 21812 Posted May 11, 2018 Share Posted May 11, 2018 Fish probably still fancies they’ll survive this season tbh 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ewerk 30258 Posted May 11, 2018 Share Posted May 11, 2018 TBF they achieved their aim of only spending one season in the Championship. 1 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rob032 38 Posted May 11, 2018 Share Posted May 11, 2018 20 hours ago, The Fish said: When was the last time a side was relegated to league 1 and returned? Southampton? That took them 7 seasons, administration and a takeover by a billionaire. Edit - It was Leicester in 2014 and it took them 10 years and a takeover by mandaric, then the King Power Group. Leeds and Portsmouth are much less fortunate, the former has been out of the top flight for 14yrs, the latter 8 and neither looking likely to return any time soon. Best possible case for Sunderland is an immediate return to the Championship for the 2019/20 season and a subsequent promotion for the Premier League's 20/21 season. I just can't see that happening short of a miracle or cheating on a Football Manager save. 21 clubs have been relegated from the Premier League down to at least League 1. 2 clubs were in League 2 this season; Swindon & Coventry, 7 were in League 1; Blackburn Rovers, Blackpool, Bolton Wanderers, Bradford City, Charlton Athletic, Oldham Athletic & Portsmouth, 9 in the Championship; Barnsley, Leeds United, Norwich City, Nottingham Forest, QPR, Sheffield United, Sheffield Wednesday, Wigan Athletic, Wolves, and only 3 have returned; Leicester, Southampton and Man City. The average time spent out of the top flight for double relegated teams is 12 years. Sunderland are far, far more likely to join the ranks of Norwich and Leeds, than they are to become the next Leicester or Southampton. All very nice. But I'm afraid you failed to account for something none of those other clubs had. The Don. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tdansmith 3209 Posted May 11, 2018 Share Posted May 11, 2018 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ewerk 30258 Posted May 11, 2018 Share Posted May 11, 2018 What a shit attempt at a sign. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tdansmith 3209 Posted May 11, 2018 Share Posted May 11, 2018 3 minutes ago, ewerk said: What a shit attempt at a sign. It's not real you know. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex 34835 Posted May 11, 2018 Share Posted May 11, 2018 10 minutes ago, Tdansmith said: It's not real you know. His post suggests he’s aware of that Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tdansmith 3209 Posted May 11, 2018 Share Posted May 11, 2018 Just now, Alex said: His post suggests he’s aware of that I thought my reply suggested I was also aware of that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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