Tom 14011 Posted January 3, 2018 Share Posted January 3, 2018 3 hours ago, ewerk said: If Grabban goes then surely they're as good as down? Yep - he's got them out of the shite a few times this season. They might pick up the odd result for hope but theyll be in the bottom 3 come the end of the season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheGingerQuiff 2412 Posted January 3, 2018 Share Posted January 3, 2018 It's the hope they cannet stand as well #daretodream Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom 14011 Posted January 3, 2018 Share Posted January 3, 2018 There's nothing that separates them from clubs like Wigan, Bolton, Forest, Leeds, Blackburn or Sheffield (s) who it's happened to recently. The only thing I can think of is that the Mackems get smaller crowds than most of those clubs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kevin Carr's Gloves 3809 Posted January 3, 2018 Share Posted January 3, 2018 I honestly think if they had stuck with one of their merry go round managers they would have gone down sooner but come back up quicker and in better shape. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
essembeeofsunderland 811 Posted January 3, 2018 Share Posted January 3, 2018 11 minutes ago, Tom said: There's nothing that separates them from clubs like Wigan, Bolton, Forest, Leeds, Blackburn or Sheffield (s) who it's happened to recently. The only thing I can think of is that the Mackems get smaller crowds than most of those clubs. The makems generally get bigger official attendances but fewer attendees. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rayvin 5175 Posted January 3, 2018 Share Posted January 3, 2018 If they go down, they're really fucked. Financially, I just don't see how they can sustain it. Would they still be getting parachute payments from the PL? I guess they would. Maybe that would be enough.  Selling NDong surely isn't going to make a lot of difference unless they can get back something close to what they bought him for, since they will still owe money on the guy. Personally would be surprised if they get more than £7-8m.  Kone probably around the same. If Grabban goes they'll replace him of course, but they must be concerned now... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom 14011 Posted January 3, 2018 Share Posted January 3, 2018 Grabban is on loan from Bournemouth isn't he? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ewerk 30238 Posted January 3, 2018 Share Posted January 3, 2018 Aye, they'd be lucky to replace him with a striker who can score half as many goals. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
essembeeofsunderland 811 Posted January 3, 2018 Share Posted January 3, 2018 Aye,on loan,but Defoe is injured,so let's hope he's on his way back to Bournemouth,and the sooner the better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
essembeeofsunderland 811 Posted January 3, 2018 Share Posted January 3, 2018 1 minute ago, ewerk said: Aye, they'd be lucky to replace him with a striker who can score half as many goals. We'll sell them Gayle for £300m. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheGingerQuiff 2412 Posted January 3, 2018 Share Posted January 3, 2018 They might not replace Grabban at all if they didn't anticipate and budget for the litterdome being a third full all season Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
essembeeofsunderland 811 Posted January 3, 2018 Share Posted January 3, 2018 The hierarchy know exactly how many are attending and how many thousands are paying zilch to witness the shite on display.The makems for the first time are acknowledging their official attendance figures are plucked out of the air and that the majority enter via freebies or concessionary tickets.Hence the anger when at least one post appears before every home game on what the attendance will be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rayvin 5175 Posted January 3, 2018 Share Posted January 3, 2018 I'm trying to get my head around how happy Essembee is going to be if they do actually go down... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheGingerQuiff 2412 Posted January 3, 2018 Share Posted January 3, 2018 He'll have a bigger knees up than Quinn does before a car journey Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ewerk 30238 Posted January 3, 2018 Share Posted January 3, 2018 He'll weep the day they go bust. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Howay 12496 Posted January 3, 2018 Share Posted January 3, 2018 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Kelly 1220 Posted January 3, 2018 Share Posted January 3, 2018 1 hour ago, Rayvin said: If they go down, they're really fucked. Financially, I just don't see how they can sustain it. Would they still be getting parachute payments from the PL? I guess they would. Maybe that would be enough.  Selling NDong surely isn't going to make a lot of difference unless they can get back something close to what they bought him for, since they will still owe money on the guy. Personally would be surprised if they get more than £7-8m.  Kone probably around the same. If Grabban goes they'll replace him of course, but they must be concerned now... Transfermarkt list Kones fee to Sunderaland as only £5.85m. If that's true then they could net a canny bit cash from him even if they haven't paid all the fee. Can't imagine he'll go for anywhere near the fees that were being talked about for him at the beginning of last season. They'd be doing exceptionally well to get £20m for the pair of them imo. Deduct anything that they haven't already paid off and whatever Short wants and they won't come out with a lot to spend. If they bought well though they might be able to do enough to keep themselves up. Buying well has never been a strength of theirs though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheGingerQuiff 2412 Posted January 3, 2018 Share Posted January 3, 2018 Nobody is touching Kone with a fucking barge pole, not even on a free transfer. N'Dong I thought would do better down there but hasn't and is therefore worth about £4m Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Kelly 1220 Posted January 3, 2018 Share Posted January 3, 2018 I'm sure I read Moyes wants to take Kone to West Ham. Might be good news for us that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Fish 10701 Posted January 3, 2018 Share Posted January 3, 2018 8 hours ago, Tdansmith said:  You're only saying that in case your mackem mates over at rtg read it    I've said it all season. Don't get me wrong, they're in the shit, but if the logical steps are taken they should survive. If, however, the squad isn't significantly improved (and should Grabban rejoin his parent club), then they're fucked. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Fish 10701 Posted January 3, 2018 Share Posted January 3, 2018 8 hours ago, TheGingerQuiff said:  Ridiculous isn't it? Predicting the bottom club for survival on the basis that Coleman gets a tune out of a striker that's almost certainly leaving this month and that they've already been getting a tune out of and are still bottom, a defender that's older than God and some young players which I'm assuming he thinks are better than complete shite, which they aren't.  It's not ridiculous Ginger Quim, I said if Coleman does things then they should survive. If he doesn't, then they won't.   Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adios 717 Posted January 3, 2018 Share Posted January 3, 2018 Has the calamitous start Coleman's made not led you to readjust your expectations? Â I thought they were onto a winner with him and punching well above their weight (for the moment) but I'd say they're almost certainly fucked now bar a miracle January. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
essembeeofsunderland 811 Posted January 3, 2018 Share Posted January 3, 2018 4 hours ago, TheGingerQuiff said: He'll have a bigger knees up than Quinn does before a car journey That will go over a lot of people's heads on here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheGingerQuiff 2412 Posted January 3, 2018 Share Posted January 3, 2018 (edited) 6 minutes ago, The Fish said:  It's not ridiculous Ginger Quim, I said if Coleman does things then they should survive. If he doesn't, then they won't.    Grabban has already been firing though. Do you think John O'Shea has it in him to drag them to safety?  I'm confused as to what you think might happen. Edited January 3, 2018 by TheGingerQuiff Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adios 717 Posted January 3, 2018 Share Posted January 3, 2018 Â 1 minute ago, essembeeofsunderland said: That will go over a lot of people's heads on here. It really won't. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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