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[TheGingerQuiff 2412]

Despite us having the best manager to ever manage either club, they've managed to get themselves in a no-lose position of hoping he stays 'cos he's a shit chequebook manager and hoping he leaves 'cos mag meltdown lolololol

[Anorthernsoul 1221]

When your club is as rotten and lost as they are they have to cling onto something, deluded no marks.

[Howay 12496]

Even if Rafa left we wouldn't end up with a fucking no mark bum like Grayson. Losers. 

Edited August 8, 2017 by Howay

[OTF 7295]

To be fair when he leaves there will rightfully be a mag meltdown. He's the sole reason why an otherwise tepid transfer window has been palatable.

[Kevin Carr's Gloves 3892]

7 hours ago, Howay said:

Even if Rafa left we wouldn't end up with a fucking no mark bum like Grayson. Losers. 

 

I wouldn't be 100% sure about that.

[ewerk 30598]

Yeah, Kinnear, Pardew, Carver and McClaren don't really fill me full of confidence that Ashley is capable of appointing two decent managers in a row. Plus if Rafa walks there'll be no one worth their salt prepared to touch us with a barge poll.

[wolfy 12]

There's always managers that will be prepared to manage us. It wouldn't change if Rafa left.

There are enough high profile managers out there that will take on this job. The major issue is in their full on genuine intentions and the club's in employing them.

 

High profile with little money to spend = short tenure and upheaval.

High profile manager with cash on the hip to build = potential success.

 

Rafa appears to fall in between those two options, which means it's a waiting game to see how the balance tips.

A club our size and stature, in the premier league, cannot rely on bread and butter managers unless our aspirations are to play around the bottom half of the premier league or yoyo.

 

The Rafa Benitez's of the world have to be backed, fully, for good and for bad, as well as indifferent in terms of their rebuild in their own image.

As long as there's progress, even slight, then it's a case of trusting what's being done, regardless of what we think is happening in the background.

 

This club has a postcode that isn't the best pull for top quality players, unfortunately.

To even it up we have to have a manager that has the respect and qualities to make the attraction.

Benitez has those but someone like Grayson etc, would leave us in a position of turmoil with nothing more than run of the mill players, or at worst, a squad full of begged mercenaries.

[ewerk 30598]

31 minutes ago, wolfy said:

There are enough high profile managers out there that will take on this job.

 

Name me one.

[Kevin Carr's Gloves 3892]

2 minutes ago, ewerk said:

 

Name me one.

 

Pardew, high profile doesn't mean good.

[ewerk 30598]

Even Pardew had had enough of Newcastle by the end. So for that reason, he's out.

[wolfy 12]

9 minutes ago, ewerk said:

 

Name me one.

I could name you any amount but none would be a reality until one took on the job.

Rafa took on the job when we were in the shit. He's very high profile.

Bearing this in mind I'd say that most managers would take on this job.

The issue is in wages and funding a project that flirts with success.

That's my reckoning.

Edited August 8, 2017 by wolfy

[ewerk 30598]

You're reckoning is bullshit.

 

Any decent manager would be wary of Ashley (as Benitez is) but Rafa walking would confirm those fears. Newcastle would not be viewed as  a place to come to enhance the reputation of a high profile manager.

[The Fish 10856]

If Rafa goes, we could well get a well known manager, but there are plenty of well known managers who aren't worth a damn.

 

Ashley has to know Benitez is the best chance of staying up and growing the Newcastle "brand"? Surely?

[Kevin Carr's Gloves 3892]

5 minutes ago, The Fish said:

If Rafa goes, we could well get a well known manager, but there are plenty of well known managers who aren't worth a damn.

 

Ashley has to know Benitez is the best chance of staying up and growing the Newcastle "brand"? Surely?

 

Not really, he is a cunt.

[wolfy 12]

38 minutes ago, ewerk said:

You're reckoning is bullshit.

 

Any decent manager would be wary of Ashley (as Benitez is) but Rafa walking would confirm those fears. Newcastle would not be viewed as  a place to come to enhance the reputation of a high profile manager.

How many clubs would?

Very few to be honest.

[ewerk 30598]

And outside of those few how many have high profile quality managers?

[wolfy 12]

Just now, ewerk said:

And outside of those few how many have high profile quality managers?

High profile and quality don't necessarily fit together all of the time.

It appears to be horses for courses with them.

One high profile/quality manager's club can be another high profile managers downfall.

What makes quality and how is high profile achieved?

A lot to consider to get at the nitty gritty.

[ewerk 30598]

That doesn't answer my question. Name me a club outside of 'the few' that has attracted a quality manager?

[Kevin Carr's Gloves 3892]

3 minutes ago, ewerk said:

That doesn't answer my question. Name me a club outside of 'the few' that has attracted a quality manager?

 

It's Wolfy, he's a cunt.

[Rayvin 5219]

I think the lowest grade club in the PL with a manager equivalent to or better than Rafa, is Liverpool.

 

The only thing I think might make us appealing to another manager post-Rafa, is that they'd come into the job knowing that some solid foundations had been laid by someone who knew what they were doing. But I think it's highly unlikely we'd get anyone anywhere near as good. This could be our last chance to make something of ourselves for the next 10 years or so.

[TheGingerQuiff 2412]

4 minutes ago, Rayvin said:

I think the lowest grade club in the PL with a manager equivalent to or better than Rafa, is Liverpool.

 

The only thing I think might make us appealing to another manager post-Rafa, is that they'd come into the job knowing that some solid foundations had been laid by someone who knew what they were doing. But I think it's highly unlikely we'd get anyone anywhere near as good. This could be our last chance to make something of ourselves for the next 10 years or so.

 

Benitez > Klopp

[wolfy 12]

12 minutes ago, ewerk said:

That doesn't answer my question. Name me a club outside of 'the few' that has attracted a quality manager?

That all depends on what people regard as a quality manager and a high profile manager.

Koeman at Southampton and now Everton with lots of cash on the hip?

What about Palace and Frank de Boer?

I could go on but the issue is in what is classed as high profile and also quality?

 

High profile and quality in one country does not spell quality in another but it does keep the high profile tag.

 

Lots to ponder.

 

 

[wolfy 12]

16 minutes ago, Kevin Carr's Gloves said:

 

It's Wolfy, he's a cunt.

The kid with the one sandal. 

[ewerk 30598]

22 minutes ago, wolfy said:

That all depends on what people regard as a quality manager and a high profile manager.

Koeman at Southampton and now Everton with lots of cash on the hip?

What about Palace and Frank de Boer?

I could go on but the issue is in what is classed as high profile and also quality?

 

High profile and quality in one country does not spell quality in another but it does keep the high profile tag.

 

Lots to ponder.

 

 

 

Which is why I asked about quality managers. I would count Koeman as one, albeit not totally proven. De Boer could be one and was a bit of a coup for Palace. However, Everton are showing ambition and spending money. De Boer must've been promised some at Palace. My point is that should we fuck over Benitez we wouldn't be able to attract that sort of manager as they would know that the club aren't prepared to back them.

[Alex 35077]

29 minutes ago, wolfy said:

The kid with the one sandal. 

It's the way you tell 'em