Tom 14011 Posted January 24, 2017 Share Posted January 24, 2017 A mackem was telling me last year that luck doesn't play a part. You finish where you deserve too and he wrote off pretty much every mitigating circumstance, from bad luck, to injuries & refereeing. I bet he's regretting it now Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anorthernsoul 1221 Posted January 25, 2017 Share Posted January 25, 2017 (edited) That comment Edited January 25, 2017 by Anorthernsoul Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Fish 10686 Posted January 26, 2017 Share Posted January 26, 2017 What's a numbty? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Fish 10686 Posted January 27, 2017 Share Posted January 27, 2017 Crystal Palace have just spent £14m on Sunderland's 2nd top goal scorer. Patrick van Aanholt. Allardyce has just spent more on an ok left back, than Sunderland have on anybody, in their history. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kid Dynamite 6986 Posted January 27, 2017 Share Posted January 27, 2017 Crazy money for a bloke that's not actually very good at defending. Further weakens Sunderland though and you have to wonder if they can manage to find anyone to reinvest the money in. Any new player has to resign themselves to the fact that next year they will be playing in the championship, and probably a few years after that too. Funny that it probably pushes Townsend further out way too Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ewerk 30227 Posted January 27, 2017 Share Posted January 27, 2017 Does Moyes not fancy him? Seems like an admission of defeat otherwise. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rayvin 5165 Posted January 27, 2017 Share Posted January 27, 2017 Crystal Palace have just spent £14m on Sunderland's 2nd top goal scorer. Patrick van Aanholt. Allardyce has just spent more on an ok left back, than Sunderland have on anybody, in their history. That's amusing but at the same time Allardyce is a bit of a pillock here. PVA was never a great player. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kid Dynamite 6986 Posted January 27, 2017 Share Posted January 27, 2017 (edited) Now that Anichebe is injured, Sunderlands top scorers in the league are Defoe 12 Borini 1 and that's it. Out of a squad of 30, they only have 3 players who've scored in the league, and one of those is injured for 3 months Edited January 27, 2017 by StraightEdgeWizard Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex 34792 Posted January 27, 2017 Share Posted January 27, 2017 I've no idea who Van Annholt's agent is but I'd be very surprised if there isn't a strong link between him and Allardyce. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andrew 4716 Posted January 27, 2017 Share Posted January 27, 2017 What are the odds on Defoe getting a season ending injury on the 4th of Feb against palace? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex 34792 Posted January 27, 2017 Share Posted January 27, 2017 Followed by PVA scoring the winner Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ewerk 30227 Posted January 27, 2017 Share Posted January 27, 2017 Four game ban for Djilobodji. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rayvin 5165 Posted January 27, 2017 Share Posted January 27, 2017 Yeah but they have £14m to spend now. We'll see some panic buying ahead, I suspect. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Howay 12496 Posted January 27, 2017 Share Posted January 27, 2017 £1m less than is required to sign an average Championship striker. They'll buy some shite players to pad their shite squad out and prepare for mid table mediocrity in the Championship. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rayvin 5165 Posted January 27, 2017 Share Posted January 27, 2017 I dunno, you can actually get decent value still I'm sure. Especially if they target the usual cloggers who are all blood and passion - they might yet pull themselves out of it. Counting against them is the fact that they're generally awful in the transfer market - but maybe Moyes has some ideas. I just don't think they'll have countenanced this thinking that they'll be making it more likely that they go down. They must have an end game to this that, to Moyes at least, makes them look more likely to stay up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Howay 12496 Posted January 27, 2017 Share Posted January 27, 2017 (edited) We'll see but this is a terrible window to buy (the fact PvA cost 14m is further evidence) especially for a club as unattractive as Sunderland. Moyes has also bought badly so far at them, Love, Djilobodji, and McNair were about 14m in a more buyer friendly window iirc. I honestly think they've just sold him because they really need the money. A club that is in such a mess financially can't say no to 14m for a player they paid 2-3m (not sure on that mind) for. Wouldn't surprise me in the slightest if they're caught off guard by this and now have to scramble. It's also worth noting that they now need a LB before they can even go about improving the side. Edited January 27, 2017 by Howay Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex 34792 Posted January 27, 2017 Share Posted January 27, 2017 We'll see but this is a terrible window to buy (the fact PvA cost 14m is further evidence) especially for a club as unattractive as Sunderland. Moyes has also bought badly so far at them, Love, Djilobodji, and McNair were about 14m in a more buyer friendly window iirc. Aye, they'll be getting quoted outrageous figures Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rayvin 5165 Posted January 27, 2017 Share Posted January 27, 2017 We'll see but this is a terrible window to buy (the fact PvA cost 14m is further evidence) especially for a club as unattractive as Sunderland. Moyes has also bought badly so far at them, Love, Djilobodji, and McNair were about 14m in a more buyer friendly window iirc. I honestly think they've just sold him because they really need the money. A club that is in such a mess financially can't say no to 14m for a player they paid 2-3m (not sure on that mind) for. Wouldn't surprise me in the slightest if they're caught off guard by this and now have to scramble. It's also worth noting that they now need a LB before they can even go about improving the side. I think Djilobodji was signed pre-Moyes, mind. Also, apparently they're in for someone on loan for LB. Basically agree but you're suggesting that they're either resigned to relegation or so financially destitute that £14m now looks more attractive than £100m in the summer, or whatever gets paid out for each PL season. Especially since, surely, they have to spend this £14m now. I'd be tempted to think they are resigned to it but then, if they were, they'd have sold Defoe for £15m. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Howay 12496 Posted January 27, 2017 Share Posted January 27, 2017 I don't think it was a choice out of 14m or PL survival like Defoe was. They probably see it as 14m that they would never had got in the summer so have cashed in because they're knackered. I can't see how it's anything but desperate cashing in, they've sold one of their better players to one of their closest rivals for survival. As Alex said they're going to get gouged wherever they go, everyone knows they're desperate and that they have 14m to spend (even though it's debatable that Moyes has that full amount). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rayvin 5165 Posted January 27, 2017 Share Posted January 27, 2017 I hope you're right tbf, it'd just be an appallingly shit example of management, if true. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NJS 4366 Posted January 27, 2017 Share Posted January 27, 2017 (edited) Supposedly after some German left back (though called Diego something) from a French club. (Sorry for the lack of details - caught the report on SSN in passing). Edited January 27, 2017 by NJS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Meenzer 15372 Posted January 27, 2017 Share Posted January 27, 2017 Diego Contento won't be happy with your laziness. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Kelly 1219 Posted January 27, 2017 Share Posted January 27, 2017 We'll see but this is a terrible window to buy (the fact PvA cost 14m is further evidence) especially for a club as unattractive as Sunderland. Moyes has also bought badly so far at them, Love, Djilobodji, and McNair were about 14m in a more buyer friendly window iirc. I honestly think they've just sold him because they really need the money. A club that is in such a mess financially can't say no to 14m for a player they paid 2-3m (not sure on that mind) for. Wouldn't surprise me in the slightest if they're caught off guard by this and now have to scramble. It's also worth noting that they now need a LB before they can even go about improving the side. I just had a quick look in the Chronicle to see who they're getting linked with. Keane, Jagielka & Darron Gibson were three that stood out to me. I think they're all possible signings for them (although I think Jagielka could still do better, wasn't he still playing for England recently?). Jagielka is 34, Keane is 36 and Gibson is 29 but has only managed 17 league games in three and half seasons due to injury. They are exactly the sort of short term signings they have been making for years that keep them in this situation. I don't think it would be enough for them this season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Howay 12496 Posted January 27, 2017 Share Posted January 27, 2017 I hope you're right tbf, it'd just be an appallingly shit example of management, if true. I think whatever way you look at it it's a shit example of management. It's just cashing in on a player at the risk of the club tbh. They've sold one of their better players to a direct rival for survival in the last 5 days of a notoriously seller friendly transfer window. They'd argue he's only a left back and if they can bring in someone on loan like NJS is on about, who may be better defensively, then they could get McCarthy on loan (maybe pay a fee), and someone like Barrow (5m rumoured release clause) they might come out of it stronger. The issue is they've still allowed a rival to strengthen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Howay 12496 Posted January 27, 2017 Share Posted January 27, 2017 I just had a quick look in the Chronicle to see who they're getting linked with. Keane, Jagielka & Darron Gibson were three that stood out to me. I think they're all possible signings for them (although I think Jagielka could still do better, wasn't he still playing for England recently?). Jagielka is 34, Keane is 36 and Gibson is 29 but has only managed 17 league games in three and half seasons due to injury. They are exactly the sort of short term signings they have been making for years that keep them in this situation. I don't think it would be enough for them this season. That's much more the type of shite I'd expect them to buy. As I say this has probably caught them off guard a little and Moyes has probably been scouting knowing he had nowt to spend. Out of that lot Jagielka and Keane would probably be good, but as you short term, fixes, Keane is old but his movement is his strength and he'd get them goals but he'd cost a bomb in wages. That Gibson lad is a bit shit isn't he? So aye I'd expect them to get a player like that, was also at Everton when Moyes was there iirc. I hope you're right that it wont be enough as I think they thoroughly deserve relegation after a decade of doing nowt but staving it off. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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