Howay 12496 Posted January 4, 2017 Share Posted January 4, 2017 It would be fucking hilarious if Moyes walked when they went down mind. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rayvin 5165 Posted January 4, 2017 Share Posted January 4, 2017 True enough.  Mind you given the current approach isn't bearing much fruit, would it be better for the long term future of Sunderland if they allowed Moyes to start with a clean slate in the Championship? He could get shot of players who do just enough to keep them up but haven't the ability or wherewithal to get them comfortably safe? He could get game time for some of their young players who're not good enough for the Premier League at the minute. Certainly not a risk he can take when they're having to fight tooth and nail for every point.  £10m for a quality but ageing Premier League striker won't go far on Premier League players, but in the Championship we've been able to sign a CB & a RB of genuine quality.  Only if the new owners intend investment. If they just go down as it stands, they'll get stuck there. The core group of players would probably do ok, but they lack squad depth and the resources to rectify this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Fish 10686 Posted January 4, 2017 Share Posted January 4, 2017 Only if the new owners intend investment. If they just go down as it stands, they'll get stuck there. The core group of players would probably do ok, but they lack squad depth and the resources to rectify this. You're assuming Short will be able to sell them. Â They make fuck all despite having comparatively huge attendances, their commercial income isn't anything to write home about and without the Premier League money coming in their already troubling debt will surely only increase? Short may struggle to find a buyer for that hot mess. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rayvin 5165 Posted January 4, 2017 Share Posted January 4, 2017 You're assuming Short will be able to sell them. Â They make fuck all despite having comparatively huge attendances, their commercial income isn't anything to write home about and without the Premier League money coming in their already troubling debt will surely only increase? Short may struggle to find a buyer for that hot mess. Â Sorry, my post was poorly worded. I meant that going down and getting a clean slate would only be a good thing if Short was able to sell them. If he can't and they go down as they are, the second sentence of my original post onwards applies. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Fish 10686 Posted January 4, 2017 Share Posted January 4, 2017 Sorry, my post was poorly worded. I meant that going down and getting a clean slate would only be a good thing if Short was able to sell them. If he can't and they go down as they are, the second sentence of my original post onwards applies. WELL CHOOSE YOUR WORDS MORE CAREFULLY FUCKKNUCKLE! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rayvin 5165 Posted January 4, 2017 Share Posted January 4, 2017 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ewerk 30221 Posted January 4, 2017 Share Posted January 4, 2017 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex 34789 Posted January 4, 2017 Share Posted January 4, 2017 Want him to go just for the lolz and the turtle meltdoon Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anorthernsoul 1221 Posted January 4, 2017 Share Posted January 4, 2017 Want him to go just for the lolz and the turtle meltdoon   Please let it happen Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rayvin 5165 Posted January 4, 2017 Share Posted January 4, 2017 West Ham apparently asked Sunderland to name their price... Â It really is going to come down to whether or not Short believes they're down, IMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ewerk 30221 Posted January 4, 2017 Share Posted January 4, 2017 Â I'm not sure West Ham are great at this negotiation craic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rayvin 5165 Posted January 4, 2017 Share Posted January 4, 2017 (edited) West Ham are fucking desperate though - they can't go down, it'd be a disaster for their long term ambitions. Taking Defoe has the effect of giving them a boost and making Sunderland terminal. Ultimately they'll be paying Sunderland to go down so they don't have to. Edited January 4, 2017 by Rayvin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ewerk 30221 Posted January 4, 2017 Share Posted January 4, 2017 5 of his 11 goals this season have been penalties. 6 scored from open play isn't exactly £20m material. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Gloom 21802 Posted January 4, 2017 Share Posted January 4, 2017 sunderland would be mad to sell him. he pretty much single handedly kept them up last season Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rayvin 5165 Posted January 4, 2017 Share Posted January 4, 2017 5 of his 11 goals this season have been penalties. 6 scored from open play isn't exactly £20m material.  They won't have to offer £20m IMO. I think £10m would do it for Short. They just have to make it large enough that the small chance of staying up looks less attractive than having the money. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ewerk 30221 Posted January 4, 2017 Share Posted January 4, 2017 You do wonder whether West Ham have told that the player will try to push the deal through. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rayvin 5165 Posted January 4, 2017 Share Posted January 4, 2017 You do wonder whether West Ham have told that the player will try to push the deal through.  Quite possible.  All of this said though, aren't West Ham also trying for Hogan for £15m? Would they go for both? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gemmill 44280 Posted January 4, 2017 Share Posted January 4, 2017 Quite possible.  All of this said though, aren't West Ham also trying for Hogan for £15m? Would they go for both? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leon 13 Posted January 4, 2017 Share Posted January 4, 2017 True enough.  Mind you given the current approach isn't bearing much fruit, would it be better for the long term future of Sunderland if they allowed Moyes to start with a clean slate in the Championship? He could get shot of players who do just enough to keep them up but haven't the ability or wherewithal to get them comfortably safe? He could get game time for some of their young players who're not good enough for the Premier League at the minute. Certainly not a risk he can take when they're having to fight tooth and nail for every point.  £10m for a quality but ageing Premier League striker won't go far on Premier League players, but in the Championship we've been able to sign a CB & a RB of genuine quality. That's assuming they have the luxury of turning down realistic offers.  If the rumors of Short turning his back on them and their focus to streamline is true then it could be whether they are Premiership or Championship next season isn't as much of an issue as ensuring the club as a business survives.  Their CEO talking about multiple transfer windows to restructure earlier in the season hinted at the latter in which case Defoe will go this window for around 10m which would see them lose 4m from that deal compared to risking 10m if he walks because of a relegation clause in the summer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Gloom 21802 Posted January 4, 2017 Share Posted January 4, 2017 Sorry, my post was poorly worded. I meant that going down and getting a clean slate would only be a good thing if Short was able to sell them. If he can't and they go down as they are, the second sentence of my original post onwards applies. Grow a pair ffs, stop apologising for everything Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rayvin 5165 Posted January 4, 2017 Share Posted January 4, 2017 (edited) Grow a pair ffs, stop apologising for everything  I don't consider apologising when I make a mistake to be a sign of weakness I'm actually bemused that it is considered as such on here..! Edited January 4, 2017 by Rayvin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Gloom 21802 Posted January 4, 2017 Share Posted January 4, 2017 man up and never accept blame for anything Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rayvin 5165 Posted January 4, 2017 Share Posted January 4, 2017 never accept blame for anything  That sounds more like being a woman than a man... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kid Dynamite 6986 Posted January 4, 2017 Share Posted January 4, 2017 5 of his 11 goals this season have been penalties. 6 scored from open play isn't exactly £20m material. Aye, Llorente has played 9hours less football and has the same number of goals Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Fish 10686 Posted January 5, 2017 Share Posted January 5, 2017 Imagine Defoe is convinced to stay, the window shuts, and his ankle goes.  No Defoe, no replacement, no hope.  Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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