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[The Fish 10857]

I don't think they're good enough to do what we're doing. I know a lot of them are now looking towards our side and thinking they can but they're forgetting we sold 3 players for over 50m and brought in a striker that is getting a goal a game, I also still argue we had a better side when we went down than they have now.

They'd be scrapping for play-off spots at best imo, they have a bunch of loanees and their best player will absolutely be gone if they go down (if he doesn't leave in January anyway). I imagine Patrick Van Aanolt will be the focus of some bids as well if they go down.

You're not wrong, born out by over vs underachievement

https://experimental361.com/2016/12/29/championship-trends-28-dec-2016/

[Happy Face 29]

I'm amazed there haven't been protests against an unambitious and niggardly owner who

Reported

[essembeeofsunderland 811]

They reckon their £20m clown walked off with nowt wrong with him.Bring back Rodwell.

[Kid Dynamite 7025]

You've lost me with that one?

[Howmanheyman 33182]

Hark thou hear!

Essembee sing

When the £20m clown walked off with nowt.

And he will post, forever more

Because of new years eve day.

[TheGingerQuiff 2412]

15% possession so far on livescore. The lowest ive ever seen a team have

[TheGingerQuiff 2412]

28% and suggestions on rtg that its the best theyve played all season. Hull winning

[Howay 12496]

They do tend to play their best against Liverpool and Man City for some reason, can't say I'm surprised if they're playing their best even with only having 28% of the ball they're a fucking nightmare to watch.

[StoneColdStephenIreland 74]

Both goals have been pens with 31% possession.

[The Fish 10857]

They have 2 (two) threads gloating about yesterday's loss.

[The Fish 10857]

Apparently West Ham have bid £5m for Defoe. Now, obviously the mackems wont accept that, but it does show that West Ham are serious in their pursuit. I wonder how high they'll need to go to get their man?

[ewerk 30602]

He's worth much more to Sunderland than West Ham. Even if the player throws his toys out the pram they'd be mad to let him go.

[Rayvin 5220]

It's the kind of thing Short does mind. That said I reckon Moyes would walk if that happened.

[ewerk 30602]

When has Short done something like that previously?

[Rayvin 5220]

When has Short done something like that previously?

 

He sold Kaboul over the summer for £3m and turned down £18m for Kone. He bought Alvarez for £10m, and then effectively let him go for free through incompetence.

 

The man isn't exactly a good decision maker. Or whoever is in charge of transfers isn't, at least.

Edited January 4, 2017 by Rayvin

[StoneColdStephenIreland 74]

I reckon he'll be gone on deadline day.

[ewerk 30602]

He sold Kaboul over the summer for £3m and turned down £18m for Kone. He bought Alvarez for £10m, and then effectively let him go for free through incompetence.

 

The man isn't exactly a good decision maker. Or whoever is in charge of transfers isn't, at least.

 

Kaboul wanted to leave due to personal circumstances and the club let him go, they didn't sell him for the money. The Alvarez deal was a joke but it isn't evidence that Short will sell their best players in order to bring in a few quid.

 

Defoe will still be there come the end of the month. I bet my anal virginity on it.

[Rayvin 5220]

Kaboul wanted to leave due to personal circumstances and the club let him go, they didn't sell him for the money. The Alvarez deal was a joke but it isn't evidence that Short will sell their best players in order to bring in a few quid.

 

Defoe will still be there come the end of the month. I bet my anal virginity on it.

 

I thought you lost that already in the Trump fiasco.

 

My point was more that Short can't be trusted to make good decisions anyway - especially when he's actively looking to sell up. The Kaboul thing was ridiculous and could potentially be similar though, depending on how Defoe spins this. We didn't let Colo go for 'family reasons' so why would Short? Because he makes stupid decisions.

Edited January 4, 2017 by Rayvin

[ewerk 30602]

Read my lips: no Defoe transfer.

 

I'm so confident I'll give you 4/1 if you fancy a flutter.

Edited January 4, 2017 by ewerk

[Rayvin 5220]

Read my lips: no Defoe transfer.

 

I'm so confident I'll give you 4/1 if you fancy a flutter.

 

 

I'm not going toe to toe with the guy heading up the Prediction League competition - all I'm saying is that the level of incompetence required for it to happen appears to be there.

Edited January 4, 2017 by Rayvin

[The Fish 10857]

I think there'd have to be a few dominoes toppling before Sunderland's hopes of keeping Defoe collapse entirely;

 

West Ham cement their interest, raising the fee to a level that has to be taken seriously

Defoe's representatives are confident he'll not get a pay rise if he stays commensurate with his demonstrated value to their club

Short, via Moyes, fails to give assurances about Sunderland's future with Defoe

Kone/Pickford or another important Sunderland player leaves early on in the window

 

 

I agree with ewerk that it's more likely than not he'll stay as I think West Ham's maximum bid for Defoe will fall significantly short of Sunderland's valuation. They've offered £5m to test the waters and gauge interest from both Sunderland and Defoe's representatives, but they'll need to double (if not treble) that before Short thinks about entertaining the bid, and I'm not sure they will.

 

That said, it's entirely possible that: West Ham come in with a c£10m bid, Defoe's reps get in his ear, Sunderland don't strengthen, and in fact weaken in the window. If all those things happen, I could see Defoe's reps orchestrating a move. And if that happens I could see Old Big Eyes telling Short to go fuck himself.

[Rayvin 5220]

I think there'd have to be a few dominoes toppling before Sunderland's hopes of keeping Defoe collapse entirely;

 

West Ham cement their interest, raising the fee to a level that has to be taken seriously

Defoe's representatives are confident he'll not get a pay rise if he stays commensurate with his demonstrated value to their club

Short, via Moyes, fails to give assurances about Sunderland's future with Defoe

Kone/Pickford or another important Sunderland player leaves early on in the window

 

 

I agree with ewerk that it's more likely than not he'll stay as I think West Ham's maximum bid for Defoe will fall significantly short of Sunderland's valuation. They've offered £5m to test the waters and gauge interest from both Sunderland and Defoe's representatives, but they'll need to double (if not treble) that before Short thinks about entertaining the bid, and I'm not sure they will.

 

That said, it's entirely possible that: West Ham come in with a c£10m bid, Defoe's reps get in his ear, Sunderland don't strengthen, and in fact weaken in the window. If all those things happen, I could see Defoe's reps orchestrating a move. And if that happens I could see Old Big Eyes telling Short to go fuck himself.

 

Was just reading both West Ham and Sunderland fans' take on it. West Ham fans feel they could go to £10m but no further, and I've seen a few mackems suggest that they'd take some manner of deal involving Carroll.

 

The thing that really kills this as a deal though is that apparently any money they make on player sales goes on paying off debt. If they sell Defoe for, say, £8m - and his wages are about £80k, then they'll free up around £15m - but none of that will go on a new player.

 

They'll get relegated of course, if they sell him, but that could happen anyway, at which point he goes for free. I think it depends how certain Short is about their fate come the end of January.

Edited January 4, 2017 by Rayvin

[Alex 35079]

I thought he'd signed a contract extension rather than being available for free come the summer

[ewerk 30602]

He can reportedly walk for nothing if they go down.

[ewerk 30602]

Makes you wonder why he's trying to keep them up.