LeazesMag 0 Posted March 7, 2012 Share Posted March 7, 2012 From all I’ve read and heard in the aftermath of this game, I can only conclude that in the near future, a Tyne Wear derby will be marked by the death of a fan. Undoubtedly this fan will be one of ours, perhaps a solitary teenager at a bus stop or a middle-aged family man looking for his car, but he’ll be a black and whiter who will fall under a flurry of boots and fists, or a single stab by a bladed up sewer rat. I don’t want to sound alarmist, but the fact is, the mackems hate Newcastle United with such fury they will kill one or more of us to demonstrate that fact. The victim who dies will join Bobby Robson and Gary Speed in the litany of sick songs that are spread on sunderland message boards in preparation for games against us.Having watched the full game again, all I could conclude is that sunderland, both players and supporters, are completely out of control and that this mass, snarling hysteria is fed and nurtured by the highest echelons of the club. Examine the conduct of both sets of fans; on Sunday, Shola Ameobi’s 90th minute equaliser was met with joyous scenes in the ground. However, not one person encroached upon the field of play; compare this with the Mackem reactions to Gyan’s equaliser last season when Steve Harper was assaulted or in October 2008, when Kieran Richardson’s goal was greeted with a mass pitch invasion and Shay Given being assaulted. Admittedly Alan Pardew did go slightly over the top with his celebrations, but at least he had the grace to apologise; unlike O’Neill who didn’t have the grace to accept the traditional post match glass of wine, artlessly preferring to get straight on the coach back to his Wearside midden, no doubt embellishing his fictional narrative on the day. Each season, Newcastle fans travel to Wearside, by Metro, train, bus, car or even furniture van, and cause not a scrap of bother. On Sunday, the Mackems followed up their destruction of a train carriage en route to their cup replay in Smogland by trashing a Metro. This wasn’t a regular Metro, but a special one that went non-stop Park Lane to Central to allow them to get to the game. En route to the game, the windows of The Forth were put in; presumably in the belief that it is still 1983 and the NME were supping inside, rather than because it is an effete gastro pub, with a similarly effete post 92 clientele, even if the prix fixe menu is of an extraordinarily good standard. In the ground several seats were smashed, two stewards were assaulted (a female punched in the face and a male pushed down a flight of stairs) and the toilets were wrecked, as well as having excrement smeared around them, presumably as some kind of Dirty Protest tribute to Niall Quinn, the Drumaville Pavees and their current manager, of whom more later. However, such cretinous behaviour is perhaps to be expected for several reasons. Firstly, and most obviously, mackems are a lower form of life and visiting civilisation gets them all excited. Secondly, but most importantly, their club glorifies boorishness and encourages bellicose posturing. The famed free taxis home paid for by Niall Quinn for the sizeable number of their fans who were drunkenly out of control in Bristol airport in 2007, planted the seed in their minds that anti social behaviour will not only be tolerated by the club hierarchy, but rewarded. The only reason Newcastle did not hand out another severe thrashing to the unwashed is that in the first half, Pardew’s team allowed themselves to be dragged down to the mackems’ level and engaged in a hideous kicking contest. The tone was set by Cattermole’s premeditated attack on Tiote after 40 seconds; having reputedly told Tiote in the tunnel that he’d “do” him, the man who wears the captain’s armband for sunderland deliberately scythed down Tiote in an assault intended to injure the Ivorian. Cattermole ought to have walked then. I remember Gordon Armstrong doing the same thing on Paul Bracewell in April 1993’s game that was decided by Scott Sellars’s free kick. Back then, Keegan’s team laughed it off and got on with the business of winning; sadly this was not the outcome in this instance. Newcastle’s adoption of strongarm tactics saw 4 rapid bookings, even if Simpson was rightly furious following McClean’s vile lunge on him. The predictable conclusion to this passage of ale house clogging by the Magpies was the nonsensical penalty conceded by Williamson for a tug on Turner, which was celebrated in a deliberately provocative way by Frazier Campbell, intended to incense Newcastle fans and no doubt the cause of an imminent FA charge for incitement. Following this goal, a brief period of phoney war almost saw the Mackems go 2-0 ahead, but Krul made an excellent save from Bendtner and with that the Mackems retreated to their own 18 yard line for the remainder of the game. Despite being deservedly behind, the previously mentioned efforts from Ba and Coloccini could have seen Newcastle ahead at the break. In the second period, especially after Sessegnon’s forearm smash on Tiote, who was himself booked for the only foul committed by a Newcastle played after the resumption, Newcastle were a joy to watch. Hatem Ben Arfa was Man of the Match by a street and showed exactly what Newcastle fans love to see; football artistry, poetry with the feet. We are the fans who idolise not only our number 9s, but the glorious ball players who’ve graced the Gallowgate turf; Beardsley, Tony Green, Len White, Bobby Mitchell, Hughie Gallagher, Colin Veitch and Pat Heard to name but a few. In contrast on Wearside, brutish, cowardly hatchet men like Joe Bolton, Charlie Hurley, John Kay, Kevin Ball and now Lee Cattermole are lauded. Off the top of my head I can recall Gary Bennett, Howard Gayle, Paul Hardyman, Titus Bramble, Phil Bardsley, Sessegnon and Cattermole being dismissed from the field of play in derby games; not one of those names belongs to a Newcastle player. The meaning of that is self-evident; sunderland cannot control their players. This season alone Bardsley was sent off for a stamp, Sessegnon for an elbow and Cattermole for an unprovoked foul-mouthed tirade against a referee who’d done his level best amidst the mayhem, even if he missed at least 3 other penalties we should have had. Laughably Cattermole’s conduct was excused by O’Neill in a post match interview where, summoning up all the traditional Celtic paranoia from his stint in Glasgow, he felt there were “mitigating circumstances.” According to O’Neill, there had been a Newcastle United presence in the referee’s room at half time. John Carver at this point interjected and pointed out, in no uncertain terms, that O’Neill was a liar. Obviously as far as the unwashed goes, if a lie is put out in to the real world, it becomes a fact; perhaps being caught out was the reason why O’Neill flounced out of Tyneside, preferring instead to make a cowardly interview with local radio on the Tuesday, replete with lies and innuendo. If you want to see real class and the conduct of perfect gentlemen, seek out the ESPN post match interview with Shola and Demba Ba. Articulate, incisive, humble and intelligent; these men are a credit to our club and the polar opposite of the scowling, snarling, spitting vermin from down the road. As a minimum, the FA need to charge sunderland with failing to control their players, while both Campbell and McClean, for his comments on Twitter, should be brought to book. However, this will not be enough; when a sunderland message board is full of death threats against Pardew, things really need to stop. Back in 1996, the ban on away fans at derby games allowed for the formation of Wear Fans United to protest against the decision; 16 years on I can see no possible hope of a similar organisation being formed to calm the situation down. However, it has to be said this is not necessary on one side of the divide. At Newcastle United, we fans police ourselves; we love the club and we respect our history and traditions. The same cannot be said of our local rivals; unless sunderland fans come to their senses and gain a sense of proportion about what is after all only a game of football, people will die on derby day. Those on Wearside must accept that this is where their conduct has them headed; they need a reality check before it is too late. best read for a while, miles better than the Ashley arse licking. I had also heard about the Forth and the metro, occasionally I pop in there and Raffertys. See what you can do when you don't spout politics Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monroe Transfer 0 Posted March 7, 2012 Share Posted March 7, 2012 Just read their thread, half of them think the OP authored Gene's post despite the thread title being "Toontastic mag in tears". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davey Dave 0 Posted March 7, 2012 Share Posted March 7, 2012 The only answer its for then to actually win a game and this won't spiral out of control. That, or just get over us and stop bring so angry, needing to justify their hatred all the time. Their attitude stinks and its all starting to get a bit silly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monroe Transfer 0 Posted March 7, 2012 Share Posted March 7, 2012 Another classic. http://www.readytogo.net/smb/showthread.php?t=680242 It's almost saddening... How much more class we have then them. Derby Day just further underlines this. I've also lost count of the amount of Tiote threads they have on there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trophyshy 7073 Posted March 7, 2012 Share Posted March 7, 2012 Another classic. http://www.readytogo...ad.php?t=680242 It's almost saddening... How much more class we have then them. Derby Day just further underlines this. I've also lost count of the amount of Tiote threads they have on there. These days any player seeks any advantage, honour is on the wane as the stakes are so high. If one of their players was elbowed off the ball and went down to exaggerate the incident they would argue the complete opposite. It's frankly ridiculous the forced perspective following one team gives people. And yes all fans are guilty of it. It's pathetic, really. To stamp it out, playacting, they should be able to retrospectively book for it as it is unsporting, although I wonder if that term is relevant anymore. But it was a red card irrespective of Tiote's histrionics. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andrew 4723 Posted March 7, 2012 Share Posted March 7, 2012 thing is, this happens because players (rightly) think that the ref will not properly punish and incident if they don't react to it. if Tiote had just stood there and rubbed his face a little Dean wouldn't have sent him off which would have been the wrong decision Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trophyshy 7073 Posted March 7, 2012 Share Posted March 7, 2012 And the gentlemen on the other side of the theatre cries 'trying to get him sent off'. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andrew 4723 Posted March 7, 2012 Share Posted March 7, 2012 which he was...but since he should've been is there a problem with that? "trying to get the rules of the game properly enforced" doesn't quite have the same ring to it I guess Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trophyshy 7073 Posted March 7, 2012 Share Posted March 7, 2012 Yeah, I'm not disagreeing with that and am familiar with the reasoning. My point is about the perspective of football fans. I was vocal in not seeing one Liverpool fan have anything but backing over the shite they got themselves in. I'm advocating supporters separating their support from their judgement. I realise it's fucking hopeless, but still. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Craig 6682 Posted March 7, 2012 Share Posted March 7, 2012 22 page thread on the subject of Gene's post alone Am I getting this right BTW, are the bamps claiming the following: 1. Krul grabbed McClean by the throat. 2. Tiote was hit in the chest Pictoral and video evidence prove otherwise. Only emphasises the fact they believe what they want to believe rather than fact. Lucky to escape with a point - FACT Away fans toilets smeared with sh*t - FACT Dedicated Metro train smashed up - FACT Windows of The Forth smashed - FACT Coins and other debris thrown onto the Newcastle fans below - FACT Seats broken inside the ground - FACT Clowns the lot of them.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gemmill 44539 Posted March 7, 2012 Share Posted March 7, 2012 Had sex with their sisters - FACT What? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom 14011 Posted March 7, 2012 Share Posted March 7, 2012 Those pointing the finger at Tiote need to take a look at Turner when they won the penalty. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Craig 6682 Posted March 7, 2012 Share Posted March 7, 2012 Those pointing the finger at Tiote need to take a look at Turner when they won the penalty. Really? I actually think he tried to jump for the ball, was restricted by Williamson's hand and fell. I don't see anything wrong with the penalty decision - the only issue is with the inconsistency to award them in other games. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom 14011 Posted March 7, 2012 Share Posted March 7, 2012 The entire thing seemed soft to me considering where the ball was. Oh well it doesn't matter I suppose but with pricks like Larsson in their team they need to shut up,I remember one dive against Wolves being particularly bad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
McFaul 35 Posted March 7, 2012 Share Posted March 7, 2012 How the fuck did the mackems get up Pink Lane, I'd love to know, considering there's always a huge welcoming committee at the station, were the OB stupid enough to march them up Pink Lane? Attacking the Forth ffs, even on match day it's full of Parky types, why not attack Raffertys or Tilleys? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Fish 10793 Posted March 7, 2012 Share Posted March 7, 2012 Another classic. http://www.readytogo...ad.php?t=680242 It's almost saddening... How much more class we have then them. Derby Day just further underlines this. I've also lost count of the amount of Tiote threads they have on there. These days any player seeks any advantage, honour is on the wane as the stakes are so high. If one of their players was elbowed off the ball and went down to exaggerate the incident they would argue the complete opposite. It's frankly ridiculous the forced perspective following one team gives people. And yes all fans are guilty of it. It's pathetic, really. To stamp it out, playacting, they should be able to retrospectively book for it as it is unsporting, although I wonder if that term is relevant anymore. But it was a red card irrespective of Tiote's histrionics. Meyler and Huth (I think?) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Fish 10793 Posted March 7, 2012 Share Posted March 7, 2012 How the fuck did the mackems get up Pink Lane, I'd love to know, considering there's always a huge welcoming committee at the station, were the OB stupid enough to march them up Pink Lane? Attacking the Forth ffs, even on match day it's full of Parky types, why not attack Raffertys or Tilleys? Probably because they're not full of Parky types? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barney 0 Posted March 7, 2012 Share Posted March 7, 2012 Both clubs charged with failing to control their players. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Craig 6682 Posted March 7, 2012 Share Posted March 7, 2012 Ridiculous IYAM - was nothing more than handbags... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gemmill 44539 Posted March 7, 2012 Share Posted March 7, 2012 What's the penalty for this? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gemmill 44539 Posted March 7, 2012 Share Posted March 7, 2012 By the way, how many bad tempered matches have there been between Liverpool and Man United or Man United and Chelsea, and no charge. What a load of bollocks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LoveTheBobby 1 Posted March 7, 2012 Share Posted March 7, 2012 (edited) Liverpool and Chelsea have both been fined £20k recently on the same charge . EDIT Us and Arsenal both fined 30 each for same in August's game at SJP. Edited March 7, 2012 by LoveTheBobby Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tooj 17 Posted March 7, 2012 Share Posted March 7, 2012 Anybody going to the reserve match tomorrow? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom 14011 Posted March 8, 2012 Share Posted March 8, 2012 I've just watched the highlights on NUFC tv. 1. Cattermole should have been 100% sent off, no doubt about it. 2. McLean should have been sent off for a a reckless tackle on Simpson, he used excessive force in a dangerous tackle. 3. Demba Ba was pushed over by O'Shea in the first half - Stonewall penatly. 4. John O'Shea handles the ball in the box, blatant handball, Stonewall penalty. How can Sunderland fans gloss over that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Howay 12496 Posted March 8, 2012 Share Posted March 8, 2012 Because they're classier? and according to them O'Neill demolished all of Pardew's post match comments, he wasn't rattled and spent half the week thinking of what to retaliate with as opposed to looking ahead to their next game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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