Monkeys Fist 42004 Posted July 29, 2012 Share Posted July 29, 2012 You'd follow them , naturally, and are you seriously saying you'd write off the Keegan years ( for example), the 50s FA Cup runs, The Fairs Cup? All that would be gone in your mind , and you'd be watching a brand new, essentially rootless team? I honestly find that hard to believe Stevie, especially of you, a lad who the history and meaning of the club is so important too. I know I couldn't just write it off. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ewerk 30221 Posted July 29, 2012 Share Posted July 29, 2012 Why the need to form a new club under a new trading company? Of course they've been liquidated. Old Rangers don't exist. If they don't exist then how were they involved in last week's discussions? Riddle me that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ewerk 30221 Posted July 29, 2012 Share Posted July 29, 2012 You'd follow them , naturally, and are you seriously saying you'd write off the Keegan years ( for example), the 50s FA Cup runs, The Fairs Cup? All that would be gone in your mind , and you'd be watching a brand new, essentially rootless team? I honestly find that hard to believe Stevie, especially of you, a lad who the history and meaning of the club is so important too. I know I couldn't just write it off. He has backed himself into a corner. This is the point where both rationale and facts go out the window. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
McFaul 35 Posted July 29, 2012 Share Posted July 29, 2012 If they don't exist then how were they involved in last week's discussions? Riddle me that. It's a mystery and something that UEFA said last week was unprecedented. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
McFaul 35 Posted July 29, 2012 Share Posted July 29, 2012 You'd follow them , naturally, and are you seriously saying you'd write off the Keegan years ( for example), the 50s FA Cup runs, The Fairs Cup? All that would be gone in your mind , and you'd be watching a brand new, essentially rootless team? I honestly find that hard to believe Stevie, especially of you, a lad who the history and meaning of the club is so important too. I know I couldn't just write it off. I couldn't write it off, but the trading company NUFC wouldn't exist. It just wouldn't be an entity. It's like New York Cosmos were THE team of New York, they folded. Should New York Red Bulls assume their history and identity? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ewerk 30221 Posted July 29, 2012 Share Posted July 29, 2012 It's a mystery and something that UEFA said last week was unprecedented. It's not a mystery. It's a legal fact that they exist. Do a search at Companies House. It's time to recognise the facts or 'pipe down'. There's a good lad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
McFaul 35 Posted July 29, 2012 Share Posted July 29, 2012 He has backed himself into a corner. This is the point where both rationale and facts go out the window. Pipe down a bit son. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monkeys Fist 42004 Posted July 29, 2012 Share Posted July 29, 2012 I couldn't write it off, but the trading company NUFC wouldn't exist. It just wouldn't be an entity. It's like New York Cosmos were THE team of New York, they folded. Should New York Red Bulls assume their history and identity? No because they are an entirely different and unrelated team. The Cosmos eventually folded in the mid eighties, the Red Bulls didn't start until at least the late Nineties. The Rangers changeover is/was almost instant. It's the same club, ground and, to a point , staff. I'd have no problem with a "New Rangers" fan referring to Championships and Cups won in the past. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
McFaul 35 Posted July 29, 2012 Share Posted July 29, 2012 No because they are an entirely different and unrelated team. The Cosmos eventually folded in the mid eighties, the Red Bulls didn't start until at least the late Nineties. The Rangers changeover is/was almost instant. It's the same club, ground and, to a point , staff. I'd have no problem with a "New Rangers" fan referring to Championships and Cups won in the past. Well I do. It's a new company, the old company failed to point it became extinct. They have to trade under a new name so I don't understand how a new company should assume the accomplishments of the old company. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monkeys Fist 42004 Posted July 30, 2012 Share Posted July 30, 2012 I'll refer you back if it happened to NUFC, exactly the same way. Would you write off our history so easily? If not, then you have to allow Rangers fans to retain theirs. Fact is, they're going to anyway, so it's ultimately a moot point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
McFaul 35 Posted July 30, 2012 Share Posted July 30, 2012 I'll refer you back if it happened to NUFC, exactly the same way. Would you write off our history so easily? If not, then you have to allow Rangers fans to retain theirs. Fact is, they're going to anyway, so it's ultimately a moot point. I wouldn't write off our history but I'd accept it had nothing to do with the new club. You're an east end lad, you'll remember Parish's on Shields Road as a bairn, it no longer exists, if say Lidl's bought it and brought in the christmas window again, you couldn't say Lidl's had 80 years of christmas window tradition on Shields Road. That's by far the shittest analogy I've written on this board but you get my point. I fucking hate Rangers anyway, trampy cunts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monkeys Fist 42004 Posted July 30, 2012 Share Posted July 30, 2012 …That's by far the shittest analogy I've written on this board but you get my point.… Aye, tis. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JawD 99 Posted July 30, 2012 Share Posted July 30, 2012 My gran used to take me to Parishes. I remember they had their own money (well coin vouchers) or something. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JawD 99 Posted July 30, 2012 Share Posted July 30, 2012 I'm unsure about Rangers factually. If it was a clean break as I originally suspected, newco wouldn't carry oldco debts. But if the administrators have sold newco the assets then I have to assume oldco had gone. Club in view of legal system and club in view of their fans are different entities. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CleeToonFan 1 Posted July 30, 2012 Share Posted July 30, 2012 I couldn't write it off, but the trading company NUFC wouldn't exist. It just wouldn't be an entity. It's like New York Cosmos were THE team of New York, they folded. Should New York Red Bulls assume their history and identity? Should Red Bulls take Metrostars identity? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ewerk 30221 Posted November 7, 2012 Share Posted November 7, 2012 Hearts appear to be circling the drain now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
McFaul 35 Posted November 7, 2012 Share Posted November 7, 2012 I'd love to see the biggest club in eh werruld go that way, but they're more prudently managed than Rangers or Hearts were. It's pretty sad that nationally Darlo's situation has largely passed unnoticed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
toon_don 0 Posted November 7, 2012 Share Posted November 7, 2012 I think it's because Darlington had been in the shit for so long that it stopped becoming news. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
topcat 0 Posted November 7, 2012 Share Posted November 7, 2012 Hearts appear to be circling the drain now. In similar circumstances to The Rangers, it appears The Jam Tarts have a big AND a wee unpaid tax bill due to the HMRC - they even sing the same bigoted songs as their weegieland big brothers so nae sympathy - can't see many tightwad teuchter Hearts fans stumping up the cash to bail them out Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toonpack 9170 Posted November 8, 2012 Share Posted November 8, 2012 In similar circumstances to The Rangers, it appears The Jam Tarts have a big AND a wee unpaid tax bill due to the HMRC - they even sing the same bigoted songs as their weegieland big brothers so nae sympathy - can't see many tightwad teuchter Hearts fans stumping up the cash to bail them out Bit of a difference between £1.75 Mill and £80 Mill as "big" tax cases mind. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gene_Clark 12 Posted November 8, 2012 Share Posted November 8, 2012 Hearts appear to be circling the drain now. As a Hibs fan, that delights me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toonpack 9170 Posted November 8, 2012 Share Posted November 8, 2012 As a Hibs fan, that delights me 5-1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
topcat 0 Posted November 8, 2012 Share Posted November 8, 2012 Bit of a difference between £1.75 Mill and £80 Mill as "big" tax cases mind. agreed there's a bit of a difference but it's enough for a small club with a dwindling fan base to shove it over the edge - and I reckon there will be a few more in the next few years too - HMRC have realised there's no money in the game up here and are going in heavy on the assets. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toonpack 9170 Posted November 9, 2012 Share Posted November 9, 2012 agreed there's a bit of a difference but it's enough for a small club with a dwindling fan base to shove it over the edge - and I reckon there will be a few more in the next few years too - HMRC have realised there's no money in the game up here and are going in heavy on the assets. That's the problem, they can't get at the assetts, see Newco, the whole thing sold for £5.5 Million I think they are "going heavy" up there because there's no Football Creditors rule, they'll do the same thing here if they get rid of that rule. Football has taken HMRC for hundreds of millions over the years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Howmanheyman 32713 Posted November 10, 2012 Share Posted November 10, 2012 As a Hibs fan, that delights me When did you ditch Dundee United, Gene? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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