Rangers enter Administration

[PaddockLad 17070]

Stripping them of 20 years worth of trophies and making them start again is the correct punishment imo, if the case against them is proven. And let the record books reflect this.

 

Is for me the correct punishment if the big tax case is proven against them, which wasnt much to do with the liquidation of the club. ...its at appeal at the moment, but the company that is appealing no longer exists..Expell them from the record books so the acheivements that they cheated in order to win can go to clubs who play by the rules. Let them play where they want after that.

[Ollie Burtons Grandad 0]

The club doesn't technically exist any more. The new club has to start from the bottom, as stated in the rules, and as with many precedents. Why should Rangers be excepted?

The Rangers hatefest that the other Scottish Clubs are indulging in will simply bite them in the arse when the financial implications of their collective folly becomes fact. It could well see a few more Jock clubs go to the wall due to the decrease in revenue; That is why they should have been excepted. The thing is Rangers wont lose that much as they will simply continue to get large crowds and win each Division in turn.

[topcat 0]

The team formerly known as Rangers are now defunct. That is a fact. They might have a stadium and some assets but at the moment they don't have an SFA registration, they don't have a league and they only have (if reports are to be believed) 13 players of whom many are young boys from reserves/under18.

 

They are without any pre-season games to play as both Southampton and the organisers of their German tour have pulled the plug (they still owe over £60k to the oprganisers of their last pre-season tour).

 

They are now officially a "diddy" team and our SFL chairmen have the chance next week to take one of 4 options:

1. put them div 1

2. put them in div 2

3 put them in div 3

4. refuse their application for div 3

 

It's quite clear from statements made by thoise in charge of the game up here that if the chairmen select options 3 or 4 above then they will push the nuclear option and put them in SFL1 anyway. All three men (Regan, Doncaster and Longmuir of the the SFA, SPL and SFL respectively) now have positions which are simply untenable with Regan stating yesterday that there would be "social unrest" if Rangers (note neat use of the old team name) were notr allowed to circumvent the rules and get into SFL1.

 

With 4 weeks to go to the start of the season there's really no end in sight to the mess and corruption in the game up here.

Edited July 5, 2012 by topcat

[Toonpack 9171]

Then that should be the punishment for that. This whole wanting to punitively punish the club is about a hatred of what "Rangers" supposedly stands for and is purely sour grapes.

 

Who is punitively punishing Rangers ???

 

They are being treat different (for their benefit) to ANY other Scottish club that has been in Admin/Liquidation. THAT is what the fans of other clubs are up in arms about (on top of the lack of any remorse or apparent forthcomming punishment for said cheating).

[PaddockLad 17070]

The Rangers hatefest that the other Scottish Clubs are indulging in will simply bite them in the arse when the financial implications of their collective folly becomes fact. It could well see a few more Jock clubs go to the wall due to the decrease in revenue; That is why they should have been excepted. The thing is Rangers wont lose that much as they will simply continue to get large crowds and win each Division in turn.

 

So your opinion is dont punish them for cheating?....that'll be a good deterrant to others. This is the biggest thing in Scottish football history and its going to sort some wheat from chaff but ffs any club that arises from the ashes at Ibrox cannot possibly be allowed to get off without any sanction, regardless of the effect on the other clubs. The other clubs know it and are being shamed into accepting it by other Scottish football fans and by the Scottish public in general.

 

The other side of that is that its difficult to know the extent other the "Rangers/Orange Lodge/Masons/all bigots together looking out for each other" type mafia that pervades large swathes of public life in Scotland and to what extent the Scottish league is polluted by it. A a stitch up or contiued intimidation of league clubs by them is the only chance of any form of newco playing football in the name of RFC in Scotland next season. If the Rangers newco does find itself somehow playing league football next season then its probably the most shameful episiode in the history of professional sport in the UK.

[Renton 21234]

 

The Rangers hatefest that the other Scottish Clubs are indulging in will simply bite them in the arse when the financial implications of their collective folly becomes fact. It could well see a few more Jock clubs go to the wall due to the decrease in revenue; That is why they should have been excepted. The thing is Rangers wont lose that much as they will simply continue to get large crowds and win each Division in turn.

 

Well there are counter-arguments to that of course, but the biggest 'hatefest' I have seen is from rangers fans themselves. You have to have a semblance of ethics and fairness in sport otherwise really you're better off not having it at all.

[toon_don 0]

Well there are counter-arguments to that of course, but the biggest 'hatefest' I have seen is from rangers fans themselves. You have to have a semblance of ethics and fairness in sport otherwise really you're better off not having it at all.

 

If they had just let Rangers back in then it makes Scottish football no more of a sport than the WWE. 2 clubs must succeed at the expense of all others.

[Kevin Carr's Gloves 3809]

Just to put it right I think it is right that at the time of administration it was right to punish Rangers to the full extent of the rules. However there are some who want to see Rangers punished further which is what is stupid to me as the Newco Rangers has nothing to do with what went on before.

[toon_don 0]

Just to put it right I think it is right that at the time of administration it was right to punish Rangers to the full extent of the rules. However there are some who want to see Rangers punished further which is what is stupid to me as the Newco Rangers has nothing to do with what went on before.

 

But if they are an entirely new club then they have to start from the bottom.

[Gemmill 44273]

Just to put it right I think it is right that at the time of administration it was right to punish Rangers to the full extent of the rules. However there are some who want to see Rangers punished further which is what is stupid to me as the Newco Rangers has nothing to do with what went on before.

 

Not letting them enter the first division isn't punishing them further. They have absolutely zero entitlement to get into the football league at all.

 

If you established a new club you'd start at the bottom.

[wykikitoon 19867]

Not letting them enter the first division isn't punishing them further. They have absolutely zero entitlement to get into the football league at all.

 

If you established a new club you'd start at the bottom.

 

Ala Wimbledon and FCUM

[toon_don 0]

It's worth pointing out Livingston were sent to the bottom division for much less.

[Toonpack 9171]

Just to put it right I think it is right that at the time of administration it was right to punish Rangers to the full extent of the rules. However there are some who want to see Rangers punished further which is what is stupid to me as the Newco Rangers has nothing to do with what went on before.

 

That's just not true (outside of Celtic), IF they had simply transferred their membership/share in the SPL/SFA they Newco should absolutely have the sins of the past also visit them. They share/membership has not passed, penalties will only be placed against the old Rangers (the dead one) as in likely stripping of title's.

 

The Newco will be a new club and should start where new clubs start, the New club (and their fans) wanted to remain the old club but leave the baggage behind, surely that's not right. All the majority of fans up north want, is Rangers treat exactly like their clubs would be treat.

 

How many fans did Old Rangers gain whilst they cheated their way to glory, and conversely, how many fans did other clubs lose in the same period because they couldn't compete with a financially drugged up goliath.

[PaddockLad 17070]

It's worth pointing out Livingston were sent to the bottom division for much less.

 

Didnt they go to the wall because they couldnt pay the electric?...Scottish Power cut them off so they couldnt play any matches

[toon_don 0]

It was something like that. I think they owed the council rent and utilities on the stadium. It was around £300k or so, rather than the £150 million odd of Rangers potential liabilities.

[Toonpack 9171]

It was something like that. I think they owed the council rent and utilities on the stadium. It was around £300k or so, rather than the £150 million odd of Rangers potential liabilities.

 

They also were "at the wall" for less than 24 hours, and a lump (if not all) their debt was repaid.

[Toonpack 9171]

Punishment ???

 

Stranraer Statement:

 

We hold the stance that it is our place to act in the best long term interests of Stranraer FC and for Scottish Football as a whole and see no reason to breach the integrity of the SFL by filling a vacancy at any level other than at the lowest tier. The possibility of placing a NewCo at any other level breaches the sporting competition of our organisation and compromises the very structure of our game. There should not be a special case made for any club and we believe that the proper place for a phoenix club to restart life is at the lowest level. We believe it is right and proper than any club should have the right to apply for the resulting vacancy and we would then form a view on which club we would support for election to any vacancy based on the presentation case made by the applicants.

 

Irrespective of the size, stature, history and resources of the club filling the vacancy, the opportunity exists for that club to find their way back to their natural tier in the league structure in a fair and equitable manner while being encouraged to trade and exist successfully within the means at their disposal.

[McFaul 35]

I can't believe people are suggesting putting Rangers in to the third division is a punishment. Of course it's not a fucking punishment, it bugs me how many times I've said this, but Glasgow Rangers Football Club formed circa 1872 DON'T EXIST, they're gone. A new organisation has been formed for the supporters of the old club, "Newco", "Rangers FC 2012". They didn't exist a month ago, so why the fuck should they leap frog 20 clubs in the Scotch Second and Third Divisions, can someone explain to me why they should. They should be delighted a potential route in to the fourth tier is available to them, when it's not available to the likes of Cove and Whitehill Welfare. "It's to the detriment of Scottish football." Well there is a lot of evidence to the contrary as mentioned by Toon Don and others, fuck Celtic's need for competition, it'll make the European fight more exciting for the majority of the SPL for starters.

 

The fact is everyone in Scotland is technically "British", and technically the majority of people in Scotland are presbyterian or protestant whatever you want to call it. Why then are Rangers THE most hated club in Scotland if you take away Hearts fans? Surely you'd think the terrorist supporting element of Celtic FC would mean they are the most hated. They're not. Why not? Because for a century Rangers have been an arrogant disgrace built on division and bigotry of society. They manipulated and controlled the SFA for years, and with Celtic have made winning the title there a closed shop. I wish the worst possible things on the club.

[JawD 99]

First paragraph is exactly and factually correct.

[NJS 4365]

The fact is everyone in Scotland is technically "British", and technically the majority of people in Scotland are presbyterian or protestant whatever you want to call it. Why then are Rangers THE most hated club in Scotland if you take away Hearts fans? Surely you'd think the terrorist supporting element of Celtic FC would mean they are the most hated. They're not. Why not? Because for a century Rangers have been an arrogant disgrace built on division and bigotry of society. They manipulated and controlled the SFA for years, and with Celtic have made winning the title there a closed shop. I wish the worst possible things on the club.

 

Which doesn't exist

 

 

I agree with you completely - football aside I just hope a way can be found to punish what looks like according to TP's posts to be criminal behaviour - and that's just regarding the administration liquidation process let alone the previous goings on.

 

As I said I also really hope the money can be recovered somehow.

[Toonpack 9171]

I can't believe people are suggesting putting Rangers in to the third division is a punishment. Of course it's not a fucking punishment, it bugs me how many times I've said this, but Glasgow Rangers Football Club formed circa 1872 DON'T EXIST, they're gone. A new organisation has been formed for the supporters of the old club, "Newco", "Rangers FC 2012". They didn't exist a month ago, so why the fuck should they leap frog 20 clubs in the Scotch Second and Third Divisions, can someone explain to me why they should. They should be delighted a potential route in to the fourth tier is available to them, when it's not available to the likes of Cove and Whitehill Welfare. "It's to the detriment of Scottish football." Well there is a lot of evidence to the contrary as mentioned by Toon Don and others, fuck Celtic's need for competition, it'll make the European fight more exciting for the majority of the SPL for starters.

 

The fact is everyone in Scotland is technically "British", and technically the majority of people in Scotland are presbyterian or protestant whatever you want to call it. Why then are Rangers THE most hated club in Scotland if you take away Hearts fans? Surely you'd think the terrorist supporting element of Celtic FC would mean they are the most hated. They're not. Why not? Because for a century Rangers have been an arrogant disgrace built on division and bigotry of society. They manipulated and controlled the SFA for years, and with Celtic have made winning the title there a closed shop. I wish the worst possible things on the club.

 

Bloody shame, a nearly spot on post from Stevie apart from the bold bit foo-pah

 

Hearts fans fucking HATE Rangers (and Celtic with equal venom).

[toon_don 0]

I can't believe people are suggesting putting Rangers in to the third division is a punishment. Of course it's not a fucking punishment, it bugs me how many times I've said this, but Glasgow Rangers Football Club formed circa 1872 DON'T EXIST, they're gone. A new organisation has been formed for the supporters of the old club, "Newco", "Rangers FC 2012". They didn't exist a month ago, so why the fuck should they leap frog 20 clubs in the Scotch Second and Third Divisions, can someone explain to me why they should. They should be delighted a potential route in to the fourth tier is available to them, when it's not available to the likes of Cove and Whitehill Welfare. "It's to the detriment of Scottish football." Well there is a lot of evidence to the contrary as mentioned by Toon Don and others, fuck Celtic's need for competition, it'll make the European fight more exciting for the majority of the SPL for starters.

 

The fact is everyone in Scotland is technically "British", and technically the majority of people in Scotland are presbyterian or protestant whatever you want to call it. Why then are Rangers THE most hated club in Scotland if you take away Hearts fans? Surely you'd think the terrorist supporting element of Celtic FC would mean they are the most hated. They're not. Why not? Because for a century Rangers have been an arrogant disgrace built on division and bigotry of society. They manipulated and controlled the SFA for years, and with Celtic have made winning the title there a closed shop. I wish the worst possible things on the club.

 

[McFaul 35]

Bloody shame, a nearly spot on post from Stevie apart from the bold bit foo-pah

 

Hearts fans fucking HATE Rangers (and Celtic with equal venom).

You couldn't be more incorrect. Why does everyone call Hearts "the wee huns"? The Neil Lennon incident would not have happened to a Rangers manager at Tynecastle that is a fact. While Hibs fans distance themselves from sectarianism, a huge portion of Hearts fans don't, and the likes of Toon Don and the Partick fans will back me up on this.

[Toonpack 9171]

Which doesn't exist

 

 

I agree with you completely - football aside I just hope a way can be found to punish what looks like according to TP's posts to be criminal behaviour - and that's just regarding the administration liquidation process let alone the previous goings on.

 

As I said I also really hope the money can be recovered somehow.

 

On the criminal thing.

 

HMRC stated by putting them into liquidation rather than accept their 3p in the £, that it enabled a full investigation into the conduct of the club and the recovery of losses from the responsible "officers of the club". Polis are already involved over the Craig Whyte takeover, a Judge has asked for a report on the administration in terms of conflict of interest and BDO who are HMRC's liquidators specialise in "dodgy"liquidations. HMRC are REALLY after the criminals (if criminal activity is proven).

 

Some folks are in for heavy falls I reckon.

[Toonpack 9171]

You couldn't be more incorrect. Why does everyone call Hearts "the wee huns"? The Neil Lennon incident would not have happened to a Rangers manager at Tynecastle that is a fact. While Hibs fans distance themselves from sectarianism, a huge portion of Hearts fans don't, and the likes of Toon Don and the Partick fans will back me up on this.

 

Oh grow up, the "wee huns" is a legacy of the fact that they were a protestant club (and is used to wind up Hearts fans because they disavow the label), sectarianism is no more a problem at Hearts than racism is at just about any club down here, you can't tar a whole support with the actions of a minority.

 

Shit man, you even puled up a thread from Kickback (the biggest HMFC board) to try and prove they were sectarian, what in reality was the tone of that thread if not general condemnation.

 

Why do football fans have disparaging names for other teams, not because it's factually correct but because it will cause offence.

 

As for the Neil Lennon incident, it happened to Neil Lennon because lets face it he's Neil Lennon, and tbh that's more than enough reason to ploat the bastard (even Shearer thought so).

Edited July 5, 2012 by Toonpack