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[Guest CabayeAye]

You cant say "everyone north of Stirling is an outrageously biggoted English hater", that is, whatever you want to say, demonising a whole area of the UK. Theyres some funny fuckers up there, granted. But there are everywhere.

 

It's like someone coming on this board, reading one of McFaul's posts and then proclaiming - "Fuck me, those Geordies are a right bunch of thick, illiterate, bigoted twats, aren't they?"

[McFaul 35]

Going to Glasgow and forming an opinion of Scotland as a whole is like going to Liverpool and forming an opinion of England as a whole.

 

And whoever mentioned Dunkeld, I've been there a couple of times. Some good hills around there to get into, and had some good crack with the locals in a couple of the pubs too.

The best Scottish people I've met and I've met loads and spent a lot of time there, are in Glasgow, they're a lot like geordies in my view.

 

Dunkeld's a nice place aye, me uncles hoose is massive, but the people man it's like going back 60 years.

[Guest CabayeAye]

The best Scottish people I've met and I've met loads and spent a lot of time there, are in Glasgow, they're a lot like geordies in my view.

 

Dunkeld's a nice place aye, me uncles hoose is massive, but the people man it's like going back 60 years.

 

Drumchapel would have to be the Jockanese equivalent of Byker then. Fuck me, what a shithole! I much preferred Edinburgh myself, like, although Niddry was another example of mutantville north of the border.

[McFaul 35]

You cant say "everyone north of Stirling is an outrageously biggoted English hater", that is, whatever you want to say, demonising a whole area of the UK. Theyres some funny fuckers up there, granted. But there are everywhere.

Can I say there's a larger that usual amount with strange backward views then? You're right you can't class an entire group of people as ALL being cunts, but there are major differences between people from different areas. I think we have a classic one here, you can't say all mackems are twats, but many would agree there are major differences between us and them.

[McFaul 35]

Drumchapel would have to be the Jockanese equivalent of Byker then. Fuck me, what a shithole! I much preferred Edinburgh myself, like, although Niddry was another example of mutantville north of the border.

Edinburgh's absolutely lush, one of my favourite cities in the world, the people seem alright, but I think a lot of the rest of Scotland perceive them as being snobby in general and up themselves. Might be because 1 in 8 people there were actually born in England like.

[Guest CabayeAye]

Can I say there's a larger that usual amount with strange backward views then? You're right you can't class an entire group of people as ALL being cunts, but there are major differences between people from different areas. I think we have a classic one here, you can't say all mackems are twats, but many would agree there are major differences between us and them.

 

If you are a mathematician, you could use a so-called 'Cunt Co-efficient':

 

Liverpool 1.0

Sunderland 0.98

Nuneaton 0.95

London 0.88

Glasgow 0.75

Edinburgh 0.22

Newcastle 0.2

Bournemouth 0.18

 

Based on the chance between 0 and 1 that when I meet someone from that place, they are a cunt.

Edited June 28, 2012 by CabayeAye

[Guest CabayeAye]

Edinburgh's absolutely lush, one of my favourite cities in the world, the people seem alright, but I think a lot of the rest of Scotland perceive them as being snobby in general and up themselves. Might be because 1 in 8 people there were actually born in England like.

 

You want to go to Elgin, mate, more English than Scottish!

[Renton 21626]

I've always found people from the North and West of Scotland spot on, I'd also say its the nicest UK accent, especially on a lass. My favourite part of the world tbh. I'm fairly sure 90% of Stevie's posts about people from other places are tongue in cheek tbh.

[McFaul 35]

Hahaha

 

fyp

 

If you are a mathematician, you could use a so-called 'Cunt Co-efficient':

 

Liverpool 0.99

Sunderland 0.98

London 0.68

Glasgow 0.35

Edinburgh 0.45

Newcastle 0.3

Bournemouth 0.8

 

Based on the chance between 0 and 1 that when I meet someone from that place, they are a cunt.

[topcat 0]

Don't waste your breath mate, the dim one's haven't got the mental capability to take the leap that football related banter isn't "real life". Football is all they've got, it's their world and what happens in it, is the only reality. Sad really.

 

In Stevie's case if your mother's stirrups weren't within sight of the Tyne at the point of your birth you're untermensch

 

It REALLY is that bad.

 

I know mate - it's an internet message board so am always up for the banter so don't take anything too seriously.

 

I'm not entirely disagreeing with LM and others especially in some of the wee towns dotted about as there is a fair bit of anti-English sentiment/hangover form 70s/80s usually in the form of wicker man type behaviour as they don't get out much! - mainly from the Thatcher days (Poll Tax), non-stop mentions of 1966 and all the memories of getting pumped by England at Wembley (I remember the 5-1 game especially and that daft rangers keeper kennedy who let one in and then swung on the fkin post - still rankles) but to be fair most of the yak is pantomime stuff - if it isn't it should be tackled head-on.

[McFaul 35]

I've always found people from the North and West of Scotland spot on, I'd also say its the nicest UK accent, especially on a lass. My favourite part of the world tbh. I'm fairly sure 90% of Stevie's posts about people from other places are tongue in cheek tbh.

The tongue is firmly in the middle of my mouth talking about people North of the CB. I've got years of experience in going there too. As for the accent, you're kidding me. It is the worst English speaking accent in my view. Even Aussie, or yank, or even scouse is easier to listen to. "Ohm fae Orbordeen by the wee". Kids of 18 and 19 sound 69 or 70. Each to their own though, I love a Glasgow accent though. The rule in Scotland for me with accents is if they say "ken" for know it's normally shite.

Edited June 28, 2012 by McFaul

[PaddockLad 17263]

Can I say there's a larger that usual amount with strange backward views then? You're right you can't class an entire group of people as ALL being cunts, but there are major differences between people from different areas. I think we have a classic one here, you can't say all mackems are twats, but many would agree there are major differences between us and them.

 

You can say what you want mate really, but sometimes it goes beyond good crack, and am sure theres huge amounts of sweaties who are the same. Do you not think people who are cunts in general (theres loads of them, I agree) are just that ; cunts? For me theres little to do with where youre from, if you're like that you're like that. Last season some of the mackems that I work with changed their attitude to me completley when the fixture list was announced and we were at their place 2nd game in. Bitter as fuck when we won as wll, some didnt as much as look in my direction for months, some still dont. But most of them took it on the chin and are great lads. Good and bad everywhere.

[Renton 21626]

I reckon few people prefer the Glaswegian accent above a Western Isles accent, but aye, each to their own!

[McFaul 35]

I reckon few people prefer the Glaswegian accent above a Western Isles accent, but aye, each to their own!

I love just their turn of phrase, "Away an fuck yaseww ya wee walluper at ye are!" hehehe

 

The last time I was in Glasgow was 2009 I think or 2010, I was walking down the street and a bird shat right on me suit jacket, couldn't believe it, this old lady seen what happened got a paper hanky and started wiping it off. As if that would happen in London. Class people when they're not talking about football.

[Toonpack 9413]

Ok mate, I'm only going by what my ex told me !!!!!

 

Going off what someone who was hardly of sound mind said, she married you after all, although at least she must have recovered, hence the "ex" bit.

[Toonpack 9413]

I love just their turn of phrase, "Away an fuck yaseww ya wee walluper at ye are!" hehehe

 

The last time I was in Glasgow was 2009 I think or 2010, I was walking down the street and a bird shat right on me suit jacket, couldn't believe it, this old lady seen what happened got a paper hanky and started wiping it off. As if that would happen in London. Class people when they're not talking about football.

 

Aye, they would have pointed at you and laughed in Aberfeldy

 

(she was rubbing it in man !!)

[ADP 0]

Its impossible to make generalisations like 'everyone' from 'x' has a 'y' opinion about 'z'.

 

That said!..

 

My Grandad (a Geordie who has lived in scotland for 20 years) moved to a village about 15-20 miles north east of Glasgow a few years ago and he had a fucking awful time there. He is remarried to a Scottish woman, and like i say, has lived there a long time, but he lived next door to what can only be described as a fucking animal. This man, every single time he saw my grandad, would heckle and abuse him verbally. One time my Granddad's mate had come over (An old scottish friend from where he used to live) and on him departing from my granddad's new house, the new neighbour came out and absolutely tonked this 75 year old man who he just assumed was English. He keyed my granddad's car, threw a brick through his front window. Was fucking awful. My Granddad isn't a small man - bout 6'2 and broad - but the guy who he was living next to was just a fucking nut job. Total awful cunt who not only abused him but called his wife of 30 years a whore for going with an Englishman.

Council eventually rehoused him somewhere else in the village. And ive been there with my dad and uncle and been to the WMC in the village and had no bother from the majority of people. There are cunts everywhere, and its difficult to separate the individual from the collective when your blood is boiling.

 

 

On topic of the new Rangers club, if they get let into division 1 straight away, that is a fucking outrage.

Edited June 28, 2012 by ADP

[McFaul 35]

My Grandad (a Geordie who has lived in scotland for 20 years) moved to a village about 15-20 miles north east of Glasgow a few years ago and he had a fucking awful time there. He is remarried to a Scottish woman, and like i say, has lived there a long time, but he lived next door to what can only be described as a fucking animal. This man, every single time he saw my grandad, would heckle and abuse him verbally. One time my Granddad's mate had come over (An old scottish friend from where he used to live) and on him departing from my granddad's new house, the new neighbour came out and absolutely tonked this 75 year old man who he just assumed was English. He keyed my granddad's car, threw a brick through his front window. Was fucking awful. My Granddad isn't a small man - bout 6'2 and broad - but the guy who he was living next to was just a fucking nut job. Total awful cunt who not only abused him but called his wife of 30 years a whore for going with an Englishman.

 

There'll be thousands of tales up there like this sadly mate. 20 miles NE of Glasgow is actually Stirling funny enough.

[ADP 0]

There'll be thousands of tales up there like this sadly mate. 20 miles NE of Glasgow is actually Stirling funny enough.

 

aye it were nearish there mate. We've visited Stirling a few times. I never really go for tours and that of historical sites and whatever, but we went on one of the castle and it was fantastic. Great day out and some awesome boozers as well!

[Toonpack 9413]

aye it were nearish there mate. We've visited Stirling a few times. I never really go for tours and that of historical sites and whatever, but we went on one of the castle and it was fantastic. Great day out and some awesome boozers as well!

 

In McFaul world you must have been shouted at, and or blanked at least, for your accent ????

[topcat 0]

 

On topic of the new Rangers club, if they get let into division 1 straight away, that is a fucking outrage.

 

Agreed.

And where is the head of the SFA while double dealing/bribery are happening just now and the game up here is going down the toilet to save the gers?

 

"I am on annual leave w/c 25th June, then out of the country on business on 2nd July.

 

I will return to the office on Tuesday, 3rd July.

 

In my absence, please contact Sandra Buchanan (0141 616 6004) or sandra.buchanan@scottishfa.co.uk"

[topcat 0]

Here's the document sent to the "diddy" teams in the SFL in an attempt to persuade them to accept Rangers into SFL1 (lifted from the STV website). Unsure who sent it (if it internal SFL mail) but there are so many things wrong with it I really wouldn't know where to start.

 

The proposal to SFL clubs, titled "Your Game, Your Club, Your Future"

 

WHY DOES RESISTANCE TO CHANGE IN FOOTBALL EXIST?

•Fear of the unknown

•Lack of involvement

•Lack of information

•Threat to power, or status

•No perceived benefits

•Fear of failure

•Unless behaviour changes, nothing changes

 

UNDERSTANDING RESISTANCE TO CHANGE

•Perceptions of being “worse off”

•If the reasons for change are not clear

•If implementation plans are not clear

•If there is no clear “link” with your own objectives

•If a change is seen as a threat to your long term security or well being

 

WE THEREFORE NEED SOME CLEAR COMMUNICATION PRIORITIES FOR THE SFL

•Logical and positive communication to eliminate doubt, threat and insecurity

•Fully explained in terms of short and long term benefits to you and the organisation

•Not left to the last minute

•Involving you at an early stage

•And seen in the context of a wider strategic plan

 

CURRENT REALITY

•Rangers have no where to go

•SPL Clubs have indicated their voting intentions

•SFA wish to see a solution in the interests of the game

•Moral/sporting question vs financial collapse

•Are The SFL are in a position to accommodate a solution?

 

WE HAVE CONSIDERED FIVE SCENARIOS

1.Rangers stay in SPL

2.Rangers to Third Division

3.Rangers to First Division

4.Rangers to SPL2

5.Rangers terminated or suspended

1

. RANGERS STAY IN SPL

•Not an option

•SPL clubs have indicated no

 

2. RANGERS TO THIRD DIVISION

•Takes approximately £16 million out of the game

•Commercial partners walk away and seek compensation

•The settlement agreement becomes a major risk

•The sporting opportunity is quashed for other clubs

 

3. RANGERS TO FIRST DIVISION

•Reduces SPL income by approximately 30%

•Balances short term need for redemption with a least worst case financial scenario

•It is financially possible to recover from this scenario

 

4. RANGERS TO SPL2

•Currently not supported by the SFA

•Creates a bigger divide

•Leads to some short term commercial losses

•A legal challenge could paralyse the game

•The overall pot would be much less than anticipated

 

5. RANGERS TERMINATED OR SUSPENDED

•Complete financial meltdown

•Settlement agreement is obliterated

•Fans are lost to the game forever

•The game survives but where?

 

SO WHAT EXACTLY ARE WE BEING ASKED TO CONSIDER?

•Rangers in the IRN-BRU First Division this coming season

•A one off fee to buy out the Rangers media value. (£1million) thus protecting the current contracts in place.

 

 

IF WE AGREE THEN WE REQUIRE THE FOLLOWING

•Play-Offs immediately, based on our format

•A new distribution model with the settlement agreement value protected and future proofed

•An amalgamation of the SPL & SFL

•A more balanced governance model (as circulated)

 

WHICH WILL DELIVER BENEFITS TO THE SCOTTISH FOOTBALL LEAGUE

•Immediate cash benefit for all 30 clubs!

•Gate receipt uplift in Division 1

•Potential hospitality & advertising values increase

•Sponsors receive added value through additional exposure

•Scottish Government remain committed to our community strategy

•SFL has more influence at the top table

•Play-Offs restore the sporting meritocracy and deliver additional value

 

AND BENEFITS TO SCOTTISH FOOTBALL

•A unified plan presented to the Scottish footballing public which offers real possibilities for the game

•Keeps all 42 clubs together avoiding a divisive SPL2 split

•Deals with the need for sporting integrity with regard to Newco

•Delivers innovation in the form of a single league, Play-Offs and a pyramid plan

•Delivers new value for the game

•Potentially narrows the financial gap between Scottish Premier League & Scottish League

•Shows leadership for the game in Scotland

•Allows fans to engage in the bigger picture

•A positive media outcome

[toon_don 0]

Three 1st Division clubs have already pubicly said they won't accept Rangers in their league:

 

Greenock Morton chairman-

 

"I’ve made my mind up and I won’t be changing it. I know a few other chairmen who haven’t declared their position publicly yet but who have indicated privately they are going to vote against Rangers being admitted to the First Division. I think the SFA will be surprised at the strength of feeling among First Division clubs against Rangers going straight in at that level. They should be treated the same way as any other club. Rangers should have the same punishment as Livingston and be banished to the Third Division."

 

Falkirk statement-

 

"It would be totally unacceptable if a “Rangers Newco” were admitted to the First Division on the current rules. Even a weakened 'Rangers Newco' would have resources that far outstripped all other First Division clubs and this would pretty much guarantee them promotion before the season even starts. Fairness is a word not often quoted in the current situation. However, I think it is worth reminding everyone that when Falkirk FC were faced with provisional liquidation in 1998, the new consortium of owners paid every creditor (including the Inland Revenue) in full, i.e. 100 pence in the pound. If we had gone down the route taken by many clubs since then, paying only a fraction to their creditors, we would have had the resources to accelerate the development of our stadium and make an earlier return to the SPL.”

 

Raith Rovers chairman-

 

"This is the same Rangers whose supporters threatened to torch our stadium and whose manager demanded that one of our directors was named over his involvement with an SFA judicial panel, which resulted in TV cameras camping outside his door and threats being made by various outlandish factions.

 

We also had Sandy Jardine publicly calling for repercussions for those clubs who have not supported Rangers. Given that, how could I, as an individual, be expected to roll over and have my tummy tickled by some inducement to allow Rangers to come into the First Division? I gave my opinion to the board on Monday night and the board had a position which was not in any way different from my own."

[topcat 0]

Hamilton chairman becomes the 4th to speaak out - bit worried about the lack of leadership from my own club:

 

Les Gray (Accies chairman)

 

"My personal view is that clubs in the First Division would never vote for Rangers to be admitted.

 

“Morally, for reasons of football integrity, I think they should have to apply for entry to the Third Division.

 

“I have deliberately not spoken to anybody about this because, to be honest, I’m sick hearing about it. But the bottom line is that there is no mechanism for Rangers to be admitted into the First Division.

 

“Something would have to be changed, which would be a radical alteration requiring a percentage of the member clubs, who would then have to vote on it in a short space of time. That would then have to be put to the other member clubs within the SFL"

[Toonpack 9413]

ToonDon/Topcat

 

Canny article:

 

http://scotslawthoughts.wordpress.com/