Guest alex Posted February 10, 2012 Share Posted February 10, 2012 Aye, proper shit-stirring that like. Although there should be a backlash against him getting the nod, even for just one game. He's fucking wank. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Howmanheyman 33221 Posted February 10, 2012 Share Posted February 10, 2012 Please let the next England Manager be either, Pearce, REDKNAPP, Venables, Del Boy, Dirty Den, Terry from Minder, Phil Mitchell, Mike Baldwin, Eric 'Monster' Hall, Vinnie Jones or failing that just give it to every Londoners hero, Ray Winstone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kitman 2207 Posted February 10, 2012 Share Posted February 10, 2012 Please let the next England Manager be either, Pearce, REDKNAPP, Venables, Del Boy, Dirty Den, Terry from Minder, Phil Mitchell, Mike Baldwin, Eric 'Monster' Hall, Vinnie Jones or failing that just give it to every Londoners hero, Ray Winstone. Yes, as long as they're a cockernee, they're lovely-jubbly, fank-yew-vewy-mahch Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest alex Posted February 10, 2012 Share Posted February 10, 2012 Wenger and Mourinho saying it should be an Englishman is just a slightly more polite way of saying they wouldn't be remotely interested in managing that set of shits. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gemmill 44881 Posted February 10, 2012 Share Posted February 10, 2012 It's not just Winter that's picked up on that story btw. It's in a few papers. Agree though that it's unnecessary shit-stirring. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christmas Tree 4725 Posted February 10, 2012 Share Posted February 10, 2012 Is it really that hard a job? Does / has a national manager ever really made a big difference? Is it not more to do with available talent and picking people in form? £6 million a year top watch a few games (not in the North East) and then select a team seems grotesque to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Howmanheyman 33221 Posted February 10, 2012 Share Posted February 10, 2012 Allardyce sitting by his phone, staring at it intensely as we speak. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
manc-mag 1 Posted February 10, 2012 Share Posted February 10, 2012 Is it really that hard a job? Does / has a national manager ever really made a big difference? Is it not more to do with available talent and picking people in form? £6 million a year top watch a few games (not in the North East) and then select a team seems grotesque to me. The short answer is yes: because we're not particularly good. We're probably the definitively 'average' international team now that Spain have got their act together and started winning tournaments. It's only about tournament football at the end of the day (qualifying for and playing in). We're generally a second round/quarter final team just for turning up, hence kicking on from that is where a manager really earns their pay. Or where they dont if we dont. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
manc-mag 1 Posted February 10, 2012 Share Posted February 10, 2012 Allardyce sitting by his phone, staring at it intensely as we speak. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest alex Posted February 10, 2012 Share Posted February 10, 2012 Is it really that hard a job? Does / has a national manager ever really made a big difference? Is it not more to do with available talent and picking people in form? £6 million a year top watch a few games (not in the North East) and then select a team seems grotesque to me. I think it's a really hard job because you have so few opportunities to get it right. That's why it should always be a 'wily old fox' imo because you can't learn, tactically etc., on the job. You need to have seen it all. I know what you mean re: the available talent though but I suppose you only need to look at lesser managers than Sven and Capello in terms of how difficult it can be for England to even qualify. You don't get the time to get it right now either. Bobby Robson probably would've been sacked after not qualifying for the '84 Euros and would've definitely got the push after the debacle in '88 and he's now thought of as the best manager since Sir Alf. Agree about the wages in a way but that's the only way to get the top men to take it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gemmill 44881 Posted February 10, 2012 Share Posted February 10, 2012 The £6m a year figure is apparently what he would have been on had we won the World Cup btw. It's not what he was actually getting paid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hostile_statue 0 Posted February 10, 2012 Share Posted February 10, 2012 Joe HAS to get it. Just give him the fucking job, you cunts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeazesMag 0 Posted February 10, 2012 Share Posted February 10, 2012 Please let the next England Manager be either, Pearce, REDKNAPP, Venables, Del Boy, Dirty Den, Terry from Minder, Phil Mitchell, Mike Baldwin, Eric 'Monster' Hall, Vinnie Jones or failing that just give it to every Londoners hero, Ray Winstone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Howmanheyman 33221 Posted February 10, 2012 Share Posted February 10, 2012 Is it really that hard a job? Does / has a national manager ever really made a big difference? Is it not more to do with available talent and picking people in form? £6 million a year top watch a few games (not in the North East) and then select a team seems grotesque to me. I think it's a really hard job because you have so few opportunities to get it right. That's why it should always be a 'wily old fox' imo because you can't learn, tactically etc., on the job. You need to have seen it all. I know what you mean re: the available talent though but I suppose you only need to look at lesser managers than Sven and Capello in terms of how difficult it can be for England to even qualify. You don't get the time to get it right now either. Bobby Robson probably would've been sacked after not qualifying for the '84 Euros and would've definitely got the push after the debacle in '88 and he's now thought of as the best manager since Sir Alf. Agree about the wages in a way but that's the only way to get the top men to take it. Sometimes a team naturally evolves at a World Cup, I think this was the case with England in Mexico with the Hateley/Beardsley situation and they kind of adapted a different defensive formation in Italy four years later. A good manager will recognise these things and change accordingly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest alex Posted February 10, 2012 Share Posted February 10, 2012 Is it really that hard a job? Does / has a national manager ever really made a big difference? Is it not more to do with available talent and picking people in form? £6 million a year top watch a few games (not in the North East) and then select a team seems grotesque to me. I think it's a really hard job because you have so few opportunities to get it right. That's why it should always be a 'wily old fox' imo because you can't learn, tactically etc., on the job. You need to have seen it all. I know what you mean re: the available talent though but I suppose you only need to look at lesser managers than Sven and Capello in terms of how difficult it can be for England to even qualify. You don't get the time to get it right now either. Bobby Robson probably would've been sacked after not qualifying for the '84 Euros and would've definitely got the push after the debacle in '88 and he's now thought of as the best manager since Sir Alf. Agree about the wages in a way but that's the only way to get the top men to take it. Sometimes a team naturally evolves at a World Cup, I think this was the case with England in Mexico with the Hateley/Beardsley situation and they kind of adapted a different defensive formation in Italy four years later. A good manager will recognise these things and change accordingly. Aye, it's funny the way that happens. Italy in '82 being a classic example. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeazesMag 0 Posted February 10, 2012 Share Posted February 10, 2012 (edited) if they let Stan Collymore on the radio etc, after beating up Ulrika Jonsson in the way he did, there is nowt wrong with calling someone a few names. I realise this won't go down well, but there is truly no comparison. Collymore has a fuckin nerve too, after that fuss made recently on twitter with this past of his. Gobshite cunt. Its like Ronnie Biggs having a go at someone for nicking a quid from an old woman or a bairn. Pearce shouldn't have a cat in hells chance of the England job because of his managerial record, and no other reason comes into it. Edited February 10, 2012 by LeazesMag Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeazesMag 0 Posted February 10, 2012 Share Posted February 10, 2012 Is it really that hard a job? Does / has a national manager ever really made a big difference? Is it not more to do with available talent and picking people in form? £6 million a year top watch a few games (not in the North East) and then select a team seems grotesque to me. I think it's a really hard job because you have so few opportunities to get it right. That's why it should always be a 'wily old fox' imo because you can't learn, tactically etc., on the job. You need to have seen it all. I know what you mean re: the available talent though but I suppose you only need to look at lesser managers than Sven and Capello in terms of how difficult it can be for England to even qualify. You don't get the time to get it right now either. Bobby Robson probably would've been sacked after not qualifying for the '84 Euros and would've definitely got the push after the debacle in '88 and he's now thought of as the best manager since Sir Alf. Agree about the wages in a way but that's the only way to get the top men to take it. it's always a job for someone who's learned the ropes. As for the description of Pearce "having a good attitude", well I would have a great attitude too, as does Shola Ameobi when he talks to the press. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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