Terry to be prosecuted

[Christmas Tree 4820]

You misunderstood me, possibly due to not paying attention at school or having a mum who instead of taking the time to read with you pretended your toys were up her arse.

 

 

Close season

[Dr Gloom 22137]

Darkies, wogs, wops, rag heads, Irish, scots, Geordies, southerners, gooks, mackems, chinkies, coons, frogs, yanks, Jews, eyeties...

 

Hate em all me like. Send the buggers back.

[Andrew 4855]

Darkies, wogs, wops, rag heads, Irish, scots, Geordies, southerners, gooks, mackems, chinkies, coons, frogs, yanks, Jews, eyeties...

 

Hate em all me like. Send the buggers back.

 

Alright! I'm in the fucking clear

[Happy Face 29]

Thats a consequentialist view which would mean that Terry doesnt get charged because Ferdinand didnt hear him. Unless someone saying something racist out loud in the privacy of your own home by yourself should be an offence.

 

You cant invoke situations like in your post and then uphold an act as wrong 'in itself'. If the situation counts, then its the consequences that matter. This case just highlights how difficult it is to be morally consistent when trying to legislate for what people say out loud.

 

When Terry directed it at Ferdinand in front of millions of viewers it became an offence, irresective of the earshot of Ferdinand. It shouldn't be an offence in the home at all, any more than exposing your genitals at home would be compared to doing it on the bus.

[LeazesMag 0]

True. Apparently snorting coke in your spare time ala Mutu is worse than bottling bouncers/taking backhanders for club tours/shagging a team mates Mrs/being a racist

 

or wankers who shouldn't be here in the first place killing a kid and being allowed to stay

 

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-12011868

[Gemmill 45997]

Oh hello.

 

Most of the time it simmers under the surface, but every now and then a thread like this turns up the heat and it bubbles over.

 

Where's toondood when you need him?

[acrossthepond 878]

Can't believe some of the pure shite posted in this thread.

 

The bottom line is that one Englishman, who was the captain of England and a role model to children across the nation (and possibly other nations considering the Premier League's worldwide audience) called another Englishman a fucking black cunt. If he'd stopped at fucking cunt, we wouldn't be discussing this right now. But he brought colour into it and that's just not fucking acceptable in the 21st century.

 

Some say Terry is an idiot (true) and it was the heat of the moment (true) so he said something he shouldn't have (true) and we should let it go at that (not true.) It was the heat of the moment and Terry was wound up and wanted to insult Ferdinand. Fine. But there he was, angered and stung, and one of the possible insults he came up with was that Ferdinand was black. Why was that even on the menu? How was "black" even being considered as an insult or a name to call someone? Maybe, if Terry gets done for this (to the fullest extent of the law, as he undoubtedly should be), it will send a message that racism is not tolerated in British society and that skin colour is simply not something one can abuse another person over, and twenty years from now it won't even cross the mind of the next idiot to get angry and spit out a bit of bile.

 

Anyone who disagrees belongs in the Stone Age with Terry, Stevie, and Leazes.

[McFaul 35]

Can't believe some of the pure shite posted in this thread.

 

The bottom line is that one Englishman, who was the captain of England and a role model to children across the nation (and possibly other nations considering the Premier League's worldwide audience) called another Englishman a fucking black cunt. If he'd stopped at fucking cunt, we wouldn't be discussing this right now. But he brought colour into it and that's just not fucking acceptable in the 21st century.

 

Some say Terry is an idiot (true) and it was the heat of the moment (true) so he said something he shouldn't have (true) and we should let it go at that (not true.) It was the heat of the moment and Terry was wound up and wanted to insult Ferdinand. Fine. But there he was, angered and stung, and one of the possible insults he came up with was that Ferdinand was black. Why was that even on the menu? How was "black" even being considered as an insult or a name to call someone? Maybe, if Terry gets done for this (to the fullest extent of the law, as he undoubtedly should be), it will send a message that racism is not tolerated in British society and that skin colour is simply not something one can abuse another person over, and twenty years from now it won't even cross the mind of the next idiot to get angry and spit out a bit of bile.

 

Anyone who disagrees belongs in the Stone Age with Terry, Stevie, and Leazes.

I actually agree with what you say you complete and utter arsehole.

[LeazesMag 0]

Can't believe some of the pure shite posted in this thread.

 

The bottom line is that one Englishman, who was the captain of England and a role model to children across the nation (and possibly other nations considering the Premier League's worldwide audience) called another Englishman a fucking black cunt. If he'd stopped at fucking cunt, we wouldn't be discussing this right now. But he brought colour into it and that's just not fucking acceptable in the 21st century.

 

Some say Terry is an idiot (true) and it was the heat of the moment (true) so he said something he shouldn't have (true) and we should let it go at that (not true.) It was the heat of the moment and Terry was wound up and wanted to insult Ferdinand. Fine. But there he was, angered and stung, and one of the possible insults he came up with was that Ferdinand was black. Why was that even on the menu? How was "black" even being considered as an insult or a name to call someone? Maybe, if Terry gets done for this (to the fullest extent of the law, as he undoubtedly should be), it will send a message that racism is not tolerated in British society and that skin colour is simply not something one can abuse another person over, and twenty years from now it won't even cross the mind of the next idiot to get angry and spit out a bit of bile.

 

Anyone who disagrees belongs in the Stone Age with Terry, Stevie, and Leazes.

 

nobody is disagreeing about setting standards mate, what we are talking about is applying different standards.

 

And, as I said, in my view, there are far more serious things to hoy the book at someone than that [and I've just posted one] which like it or not, IS in the heat of the moment in a very intense pressure situation.

 

Only a complete obsessed person with a one sided view [such as some of the brainwashed bairns on here] could fail to see that I'm applying fairness across the board to all.

 

Ferdinand and Terry ought to have their heads banged, together they are costing the taxpayer money and wasting jury time. They would have set a far better example by holding a press conference, and showing they could move on like men.

Edited July 12, 2012 by LeazesMag

[PaddockLad 17641]

Can't believe some of the pure shite posted in this thread.

 

The bottom line is that one Englishman, who was the captain of England and a role model to children across the nation (and possibly other nations considering the Premier League's worldwide audience) called another Englishman a fucking black cunt. If he'd stopped at fucking cunt, we wouldn't be discussing this right now. But he brought colour into it and that's just not fucking acceptable in the 21st century.

 

Some say Terry is an idiot (true) and it was the heat of the moment (true) so he said something he shouldn't have (true) and we should let it go at that (not true.) It was the heat of the moment and Terry was wound up and wanted to insult Ferdinand. Fine. But there he was, angered and stung, and one of the possible insults he came up with was that Ferdinand was black. Why was that even on the menu? How was "black" even being considered as an insult or a name to call someone? Maybe, if Terry gets done for this (to the fullest extent of the law, as he undoubtedly should be), it will send a message that racism is not tolerated in British society and that skin colour is simply not something one can abuse another person over, and twenty years from now it won't even cross the mind of the next idiot to get angry and spit out a bit of bile.

 

Anyone who disagrees belongs in the Stone Age with Terry, Stevie, and Leazes.

 

Fuck off man, he's not even been convicted yet. Heard all the evidence have we? No? jog on..

[Gemmill 45997]

If you've seen the youtube video, you've seen all you need to tbh. The story attached to it from Terry is on a par with his "my momentum took me into him" excuse when he kneed that bloke in the back vs Barcelona.

 

An excuse which he conveniently forgot a couple of weeks later when he was crowing about how he was "big enough to admit he made a mistake". No you weren't you weaselly little cunt, you tried to lie but the video evidence was there for all to see so you had to backtrack. Just as the video evidence is there this time only this time it's too big an issue for you to just admit so you're clinging to this ridiculous position.

 

Edited July 12, 2012 by Gemmill

[acrossthepond 878]

No, I can't think of many more serious things than proving to Britain that racial prejudice is no longer tolerated in the 21st century. That doesn't sound like a waste of taxpayer money to me at all.

 

As for 'acting like men', I know I wouldn't shake the hand of, or be seen at a press conference with, someone who had abused me because of my skin colour. I doubt you would either, if racial abuse of white people were something common enough for you to have ever faced it in your life.

 

@PL: Not even worth discussing the topic with someone who thinks Terry might not be guilty.

[LeazesMag 0]

No, I can't think of many more serious things than proving to Britain that racial prejudice is no longer tolerated in the 21st century. That doesn't sound like a waste of taxpayer money to me at all.

 

As for 'acting like men', I know I wouldn't shake the hand of, or be seen at a press conference with, someone who had abused me because of my skin colour. I doubt you would either, if racial abuse of white people were something common enough for you to have ever faced it in your life.

 

@PL: Not even worth discussing the topic with someone who thinks Terry might not be guilty.

 

I really don't agree. I think mowing over kids while driving without a license, or deliberately blowing up innocent people in buses going to work, buildings, shopping centres, or beheading them simply because they happen to be living in their country, to be far worse.

 

I also think that we shouldn't have to put up with and live among scumbags such as Abu Hamza [of which there are many more than the brainwashed kids think], telling us what we can and can't do, can and can't SAY [read that word out to yourself], while sponging off a country that they hate while having no intention to work and put anything into it either, but we do.

 

Incidentally, what is your opinion of the Queen having to shake hands with that IRA scumbag the other week ?

Edited July 12, 2012 by LeazesMag

[JawD 99]

Re The Handshake, sign of the times and in a way its good to see progress. However, when you think of the blood on those hands, you kind of think she should have had a tight grip while someone came in and chopped it off. I can only imagine, in fact I can even imagine what someone who lost family to the IRA thought of it.

 

As for Terry, yes its wrong, of course. but surely the right thing is after the match Terry going up with an apology and him accepting it. I do think it a huge waste of money.

[JonGoodwyn 1]

More importantly...

 

http://www.standard.co.uk/news/crime/john-terry-trial-please-please-please-could-you-repeat-that-7936075.html

[LeazesMag 0]

Re The Handshake, sign of the times and in a way its good to see progress. However, when you think of the blood on those hands, you kind of think she should have had a tight grip while someone came in and chopped it off. I can only imagine, in fact I can even imagine what someone who lost family to the IRA thought of it.

 

As for Terry, yes its wrong, of course. but surely the right thing is after the match Terry going up with an apology and him accepting it. I do think it a huge waste of money.

 

despite them being scumbags, you have to admit that progress is progress and whatever she privately thought, for someone in her position especially she had to do it. This is the point, you have to be big enough to move on however much it pains you.

 

I also agree completely with what you say about Terry.

[Christmas Tree 4820]

Anybody who Thinks John Terry getting a £2500 fine is going in any way make a dent in racism is in for a shock.

 

More to the point in wont make any difference to some thicket sticking the word black in front of the word cunt in a bout of anger.

 

Massive waste of public money.

[LeazesMag 0]

Anybody who Thinks John Terry getting a £2500 fine is going in any way make a dent in racism is in for a shock.

 

More to the point in wont make any difference to some thicket sticking the word black in front of the word cunt in a bout of anger.

 

Massive waste of public money.

 

exactly. There are indeed some thick fuckers around.

[acrossthepond 878]

I really don't agree. I think mowing over kids while driving without a license, or deliberately blowing up innocent people in buses going to work, buildings, shopping centres, or beheading them simply because they happen to be living in their country, to be far worse.

 

I also think that we shouldn't have to put up with and live among scumbags such as Abu Hamza [of which there are many more than the brainwashed kids think], telling us what we can and can't do, can and can't SAY [read that word out to yourself], while sponging off a country that they hate while having no intention to work and put anything into it either, but we do.

 

Incidentally, what is your opinion of the Queen having to shake hands with that IRA scumbag the other week ?

 

You relate everything to these delusions you have about 'scumbags' living in Britain and putting a stop to whatever you consider to be ye olde British way of life. I don't see what Terry and Abu Hamza have to do with each other, except that they're both lowlives who should be punished by law. And if you didn't notice, Abu Hamza is in jail and has been for the last 8 years.

 

The issue at hand is racism, not immigrants coming in and 'ruining' Britain. Terry made a racist attack on Ferdinand. You don't appear to deny this. How is the trial a waste of time, then? How better to show young people that this kind of behavior is not acceptable. Because it isn't as important (to you, anyway) as the aforementioned 'scumbags', so it just doesn't matter?

 

It's all very well to say shake hands and move on, but that comes after an apology. If Terry had been a man and a role model, he would've gone to Ferdinand after the game and apologised for saying what he said in the heat of the moment (if it really was.) He tried to deny it ever happened instead. So no, I wouldn't shake hands over that.

 

As for the Queen, she did a brave and difficult thing by shaking hands with someone whose organisation was responsible for killing her cousin, but she is the head of state of the United Kingdom and had to do it for the good of her country. I know I wouldn't be able to.

[McFaul 35]

Anybody who Thinks John Terry getting a £2500 fine is going in any way make a dent in racism is in for a shock.

 

More to the point in wont make any difference to some thicket sticking the word black in front of the word cunt in a bout of anger.

 

Massive waste of public money.

Agreed. "It makes a statement against racism". If anyone thinks this will influence people not to be racist they're living in cloud cuckoo land. Whether anyone chooses to admit this or not, the vast majority of people who were born before 1960 will have been brought up in an environment or even a home where words like "darkies", wereused willy nilly. Anyone that denies this is a fool, my generation have a better understanding and less ignorance about foreigners, and people from other cultures and creeds. It will take more than another generation before it gets better than even now, and will never ever be fully eradicated. Every time a bomb goes off in the name of islam you'll see it everywhere, it will never ever change.

[acrossthepond 878]

And one more thing - I agree that the public money spent on this trial is really disproportionate to the crime and can be called something of a waste of money. But it happened in public, on live television broadcast all over the world. Terry had a chance to put it to bed in private, but he didn't, and that means it has to play out in public as well. Surely it's better this way than trying to pretend it didn't happen in the name of saving taxpayer money and letting millions of children worldwide see it's ok to call your opponent racist name?

[LeazesMag 0]

You relate everything to these delusions you have about 'scumbags' living in Britain and putting a stop to whatever you consider to be ye olde British way of life. I don't see what Terry and Abu Hamza have to do with each other, except that they're both lowlives who should be punished by law. And if you didn't notice, Abu Hamza is in jail and has been for the last 8 years.

 

The issue at hand is racism, not immigrants coming in and 'ruining' Britain. Terry made a racist attack on Ferdinand. You don't appear to deny this. How is the trial a waste of time, then? How better to show young people that this kind of behavior is not acceptable. Because it isn't as important (to you, anyway) as the aforementioned 'scumbags', so it just doesn't matter?

 

It's all very well to say shake hands and move on, but that comes after an apology. If Terry had been a man and a role model, he would've gone to Ferdinand after the game and apologised for saying what he said in the heat of the moment (if it really was.) He tried to deny it ever happened instead. So no, I wouldn't shake hands over that.

 

As for the Queen, she did a brave and difficult thing by shaking hands with someone whose organisation was responsible for killing her cousin, but she is the head of state of the United Kingdom and had to do it for the good of her country. I know I wouldn't be able to.

 

basically, and I've said this before, while I'm not condoning Terry or anyone else for making racist comments - either a black man towards a white man or vice versa - they should both carry the same outlook, and they do so far as I'm concerned.

 

But "racism" runs much deeper, its about attitudes, not the odd comment which some people may find offensive, but at the end of the day, is no different to someone calling me a "Geordie bastard", or a Scottish lad a "Jock cunt" or an Irish lad "a fucking Paddy wanker". Not nice, but there are worse things, and certainly not worth the time and cost of a court case, never mind a major case like this. Such a thing will NOT make a dent in attitudes, as CT says, in fact it only amplifies it and drives feelings deeper.

 

Sometimes you need to dismiss such things, stand up and ignore them, show them to be the irrelevance that they are, only then will people "not notice" them, as you say. And in a big case like this, it would have been far more effective. You can't tell people to not notice them, then make such a big fuss over them, expecting making a big fuss to make them go away as if they don't exist ? How can drawing such attention help to make these sort of feelings just disappear ?

 

The other comments I've made are all genuine human suffering, and an entirely different thing. You can't equate people losing their lives and undergoing such suffering to "racist" comments. And the root of all this suffering, murder and terrorism is people who are attempting to change attitudes of others. People who choose to live in the UK ought to defend the right of free speech, not oppose it because this is the country they have chosen to live in which is a country of free speech, they should respect it, along with the laws and traditions. If they don't like this, then why come in the first place, why come to the UK when all they want to do is sponge off the state, not work and change our cultures ?

 

Who is racist ? I don't consider myself to be a racist for objecting to foreigners telling me what I can and can't say, and can and can't do in the slightest. And note, I'm not talking about colour here, just foreigners, it boils down to attitudes, and the example being set by Anton Ferdinand [and John Terry] is all wrong, it is not the way to go. They are opening up divisions, not bringing them together.

Edited July 12, 2012 by LeazesMag

[acrossthepond 878]

Agreed. "It makes a statement against racism". If anyone thinks this will influence people not to be racist they're living in cloud cuckoo land. Whether anyone chooses to admit this or not, the vast majority of people who were born before 1960 will have been brought up in an environment or even a home where words like "darkies", wereused willy nilly. Anyone that denies this is a fool, my generation have a better understanding and less ignorance about foreigners, and people from other cultures and creeds. It will take more than another generation before it gets better than even now, and will never ever be fully eradicated. Every time a bomb goes off in the name of islam you'll see it everywhere, it will never ever change.

 

Yes, it's definitely a process, as you describe. It doesn't happen overnight. But how do you think each generation becomes more tolerant? Some magical dust falls on them every 30 years and they become a little less racist? No. It's a general effort by individuals, lawmakers and society in general to leave behind some of the baggage of the past and become more open-minded, and I think this trial comprises a very small part of that effort.

 

I didn't mean that Terry being prosecuted for calling Ferdinand a black cunt would suddenly mean people all over Britain would start saying to themselves, 'You know, racism really isn't OK after all' and it would vanish from their minds. But I do think it is part of a general movement toward intolerance of intolerance and that can only be a good thing.

[Gemmill 45997]

Anybody who Thinks John Terry getting a 2500 fine is going in any way make a dent in racism is in for a shock.

 

More to the point in wont make any difference to some thicket sticking the word black in front of the word cunt in a bout of anger.

 

Massive waste of public money.

 

What's the alternative? Sweep it under the carpet and pass it off as heat of the moment.

 

Then watch as young kids explain away similar outbursts in their Sunday league games.

 

At the very least an example needs to be made of him. If his club or the FA aren't prepared to do it then this is all that's left. If you want to blame someone, blame Terry for his ridiculous excuse making and lying, not the people that brought the case against him.

[Happy Face 29]

If you're a naughty boy you have 2 options. You go to bed without any supper or you apologise. Not a fake apology either, a genuine one with handshakes and cuddles. The fact Terry refuses to apologise in any way says everything about the cunt. He's kicking and screaming as Supernanny drags him up the merry dancers.

 

Like Suarez the cunt. I'm amazed Chelsea have got away with this as lightly as they have compared to Liverpool.