Happy Face 29 Posted July 12, 2012 Share Posted July 12, 2012 What's funny about that though? Is my sentence correct? Does racist terminology against white people never occur in the world? In the world? Yeah. In China there are native terms for "western devil" or "ghost guy". These terms only really take an offensive slant geographically when applied to a settled minority though. If you went to the "chinkies" and Sammo Hung called you "ghost guy" and rubbed his skin as if to clean off the brown you'd laugh it off, if you called him "ching chong china man" and did the slitty eyes with your fingers he might not be so easy going. ARS. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gemmill 46013 Posted July 12, 2012 Author Share Posted July 12, 2012 (edited) How much of the Kick Racism out of Football campaign do you think is focused on poor put upon white players? I'm not getting into a fucking absurd discussion with you about racism against white people. Yes, I'm sure there are incidents. I don't think we need worry too much about white premiership footballers though. And that's without even touching on the issue if persecution due to colour. Something the white man doesn't need to worry about. Edited July 12, 2012 by Gemmill Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kid Dynamite 7168 Posted July 12, 2012 Share Posted July 12, 2012 Look mate, I asked you a question you refuse to answer, but do reply by trying to be a clever cunt, I'll ask you again does racism against white people ever occur, and if it does is it not as bad as racism against black people? We hardly have an extensive history of oppression do we? Haven't been many white slaves, white folks hanging from trees, white folks having to give up their seats on buses etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeazesMag 0 Posted July 12, 2012 Share Posted July 12, 2012 If Ferdinand had called Terry a white cunt, it wouldn't have even ended up on youtube let alone in a million pound legal case. that is right. Typical mixed up views that are becoming more common, sadly, especially among kids. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChezGiven 0 Posted July 12, 2012 Share Posted July 12, 2012 In the world? Yeah. In China there are native terms for "western devil" or "ghost guy". These terms only really take an offensive slant geographically when applied to a settled minority though. If you went to the "chinkies" and Sammo Hung called you "ghost guy" and rubbed his skin as if to clean off the brown you'd laugh it off, if you called him "ching chong china man" and did the slitty eyes with your fingers he might not be so easy going. ARS. Thats a consequentialist view which would mean that Terry doesnt get charged because Ferdinand didnt hear him. Unless someone saying something racist out loud in the privacy of your own home by yourself should be an offence. You cant invoke situations like in your post and then uphold an act as wrong 'in itself'. If the situation counts, then its the consequences that matter. This case just highlights how difficult it is to be morally consistent when trying to legislate for what people say out loud. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NJS 4411 Posted July 12, 2012 Share Posted July 12, 2012 We hardly have an extensive history of oppression do we? Haven't been many white slaves, white folks hanging from trees, white folks having to give up their seats on buses etc. That argument is completely true and I accept it but it shouldn't be seen as a 100%, always get out of jail free, no foul coverall. I think you can call anybody for being racist - though I think Stevie's whatabouttery in this case is wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
McFaul 35 Posted July 12, 2012 Share Posted July 12, 2012 How much of the Kick Racism out of Football campaign do you think is focused on poor put upon white players? I'm not getting into a fucking absurd discussion with you about racism against white people. Yes, I'm sure there are incidents. I don't think we need worry too much about white premiership footballers though. And that's without even touching on the issue if persecution due to colour. Something the white man doesn't need to worry about. So in short racism against white people is less important than racism against black people in your view, due to 500 years of oppression? Racism is racism. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gemmill 46013 Posted July 12, 2012 Author Share Posted July 12, 2012 (edited) @Leazes I thought you'd have got here earlier if I'm honest but definitely no surprises where you fall on this one. Edited July 12, 2012 by Gemmill Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barney 0 Posted July 12, 2012 Share Posted July 12, 2012 *applies black-face, jazz-hands* Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChezGiven 0 Posted July 12, 2012 Share Posted July 12, 2012 We hardly have an extensive history of oppression do we? Haven't been many white slaves, white folks hanging from trees, white folks having to give up their seats on buses etc. Doesnt matter, either its 'thou shalt not be racist' or not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gemmill 46013 Posted July 12, 2012 Author Share Posted July 12, 2012 @leazes I thought you'd have got here earlier if I'm honest but definitely no surprises where you fall on this one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kid Dynamite 7168 Posted July 12, 2012 Share Posted July 12, 2012 Thats a consequentialist view which would mean that Terry doesnt get charged because Ferdinand didnt hear him. Unless someone saying something racist out loud in the privacy of your own home by yourself should be an offence. You cant invoke situations like in your post and then uphold an act as wrong 'in itself'. If the situation counts, then its the consequences that matter. This case just highlights how difficult it is to be morally consistent when trying to legislate for what people say out loud. Not many cases are seen by millions on tv tbf. The CPS were damned If they did, damned if they didnt Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kid Dynamite 7168 Posted July 12, 2012 Share Posted July 12, 2012 Doesnt matter, either its 'thou shalt not be racist' or not. Course It matters Easy to say as a middle class white boy that being called a black cunt isn't that bad Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gemmill 46013 Posted July 12, 2012 Author Share Posted July 12, 2012 <b>Gemmill, on 12 July 2012 - 11:18 AM, said:</b><br />How much of the Kick Racism out of Football campaign do you think is focused on poor put upon white players?<br /><br />I'm not getting into a fucking absurd discussion with you about racism against white people. Yes, I'm sure there are incidents. I don't think we need worry too much about white premiership footballers though.<br /><br />And that's without even touching on the issue if persecution due to colour. Something the white man doesn't need to worry about.<br />So in short racism against white people is less important than racism against black people in your view, due to 500 years of oppression?Racism is racism. The idea that Ferdinand would call Terry a white cunt is absurd in and of itself though. And when you use it in the way you have, it just sounds like an excuse for why it should be ok for Terry. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaddockLad 17642 Posted July 12, 2012 Share Posted July 12, 2012 Not many cases are seen by millions on tv tbf. The CPS were damned If they did, damned if they didnt If it was a better written law by the clowns we vote into Westminster he wouldnt have got near court. If Chelsea FC and football in general treated players as employees instead of superstars he'd be looking for a new job as well, which would bring at least as much shame to his door. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kid Dynamite 7168 Posted July 12, 2012 Share Posted July 12, 2012 If it was a better written law by the clowns we vote into Westminster he wouldnt have got near court. If Chelsea FC and football in general treated players as employees instead of superstars he'd be looking for a new job as well, which would bring at least as much shame to his door. True. Apparently snorting coke in your spare time ala Mutu is worse than bottling bouncers/taking backhanders for club tours/shagging a team mates Mrs/being a racist Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChezGiven 0 Posted July 12, 2012 Share Posted July 12, 2012 Course It matters Easy to say as a middle class white boy that being called a black cunt isn't that bad You misunderstood me, possibly due to not paying attention at school or having a mum who instead of taking the time to read with you pretended your toys were up her arse. I meant morally it should not matter whether white people have not been repressed, if racism is wrong then its always wrong no matter what the context. As soon as you open up the context then you can say 'sometime racism is ok' which am sure people like you wouldnt want to look like they were agreeing with. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaddockLad 17642 Posted July 12, 2012 Share Posted July 12, 2012 True. Apparently snorting coke in your spare time ala Mutu is worse than bottling bouncers/taking backhanders for club tours/shagging a team mates Mrs/being a racist I was abroad when all that carry on with Mutu kicked off...did he fail a drugs test?...were the law involved after that?.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kid Dynamite 7168 Posted July 12, 2012 Share Posted July 12, 2012 You misunderstood me, possibly due to not paying attention at school or having a mum who instead of taking the time to read with you pretended your toys were up her arse. I meant morally it should not matter whether white people have not been repressed, if racism is wrong then its always wrong no matter what the context. As soon as you open up the context then you can say 'sometime racism is ok' which am sure people like you wouldnt want to look like they were agreeing with. And you wonder why you lasted 12hours as a mod Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kid Dynamite 7168 Posted July 12, 2012 Share Posted July 12, 2012 I was abroad when all that carry on with Mutu kicked off...did he fail a drugs test?...were the law involved after that?.. They administered their own drug test to him iirc Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChezGiven 0 Posted July 12, 2012 Share Posted July 12, 2012 And you wonder why you lasted 12hours as a mod No i dont. I told Tom the temptation to replace every single one of your posts with something childish was too much for me and stood down. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christmas Tree 4820 Posted July 12, 2012 Share Posted July 12, 2012 In the world? Yeah. In China there are native terms for "western devil" or "ghost guy". These terms only really take an offensive slant geographically when applied to a settled minority though. If you went to the "chinkies" and Sammo Hung called you "ghost guy" and rubbed his skin as if to clean off the brown you'd laugh it off, if you called him "ching chong china man" and did the slitty eyes with your fingers he might not be so easy going. ARS. We used to sing that with the little slitty eyed dance outside East Boldon Chop Suey when we were about 7 or 8 (Early 70's). Used to get the odd chase up the back lane but thank fuck our fella wasnt no Bruce Lee. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
McFaul 35 Posted July 12, 2012 Share Posted July 12, 2012 The idea that Ferdinand would call Terry a white cunt is absurd in and of itself though. And when you use it in the way you have, it just sounds like an excuse for why it should be ok for Terry. Of course its not OK, but as with other things in life particularly in this country, it's very much a one way thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christmas Tree 4820 Posted July 12, 2012 Share Posted July 12, 2012 (edited) We hardly have an extensive history of oppression do we? Haven't been many white slaves, white folks hanging from trees, white folks having to give up their seats on buses etc. They used to put is in pots and boils us up before eating us when we were exploring the world. Edited July 12, 2012 by Christmas Tree Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gemmill 46013 Posted July 12, 2012 Author Share Posted July 12, 2012 They used to put is in pots and boils us up before eating us when we were exploring the world. You been watching Scooby Do on Cannibal Island again? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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